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S-mount pinhole lens?

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Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) - 26 May 2004 11:10 GMT
Hi there,

Where can I buy a pinhole S-mount (M12 x 0.5) lens for use with a colour
CMOS board camera?  Ideally from a UK supplier but I don't mind buying from
abroad.

Do such things exist?

Many thanks,
Jack

PS
Sorry for posting to loads of news groups.
Gordon Hudson - 26 May 2004 11:59 GMT
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> Do such things exist?

I would bet that SRB film service could make one out of a body cap.
Problem is they might take months to do it....

Gordon

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Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) - 26 May 2004 17:54 GMT
Thanks loads for suggesting these guys, Gordon.

I called them but they didn't know about S-mount.  But they did say that, if
we could find the specs, they'd probably be able to make one up for about
?35 which is excellent.

Jack

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Keith Clark - 26 May 2004 18:07 GMT
> > Where can I buy a pinhole S-mount (M12 x 0.5) lens
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> I would bet that SRB film service could make one out of a body cap.
> Problem is they might take months to do it....

Why not make one yourself? We made pinhole cameras in school out of cardboard
boxes, black tape and black spray paint...real high tech stuff... ;-> We used
4x5 film and got surprisingly sharp pictures.
Gordon Hudson - 26 May 2004 18:39 GMT
> > > Where can I buy a pinhole S-mount (M12 x 0.5) lens
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> boxes, black tape and black spray paint...real high tech stuff... ;-> We used
> 4x5 film and got surprisingly sharp pictures.

I think the regularity of the edge of the hole makes a difference.
Most pinhole lenses you buy are plastic body caps with a sheet of thin metal
with a hole either drilled (or in some cases lasered) through it)
This is fitted over a larger hole drilled through the body cap.

Gordon
mark Dunn - 26 May 2004 19:07 GMT
The tiny hole you can make with a pin in tinfoil.

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Keith Clark - 26 May 2004 22:41 GMT
> > > > Where can I buy a pinhole S-mount (M12 x 0.5) lens
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How regular is a hole punched in a cardboard box with a pin?  LOL! That's how we
made ours.

That worked fine for us in school but then I don't know how large you expect to
be able to make your prints.

Anyway my only point was since body caps are cheap it couldn't hurt to
experiment. Might even be fun to mess with while you're waiting for a custom
one.
Ashley Booth - 27 May 2004 10:51 GMT
Is there some confusion here?

A pinhole lens could also mean a glass or plastic lens that can look
through a pinhole, as supplied on some CCD video cameras.

Ashley
Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) - 27 May 2004 16:13 GMT
Yes, you're right - I'm after the sort of lens Ashley mentioned.

Jack

> Is there some confusion here?
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> A pinhole lens could also mean a glass or plastic lens that can look
> through a pinhole, as supplied on some CCD video cameras.
>
> Ashley
Willy Eckerslyke - 27 May 2004 09:33 GMT
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> I think the regularity of the edge of the hole makes a difference.

I did quite a bit of work on this for a project a few years back and
you're quite right. Thickness of material used is also critical, the
thinner the better to avoid internal reflections. But the most important
factor is the actual size of the pinhole in relation to the "focal
length" - pinhole to film/sensor distance. I've a table somewhere of the
optimum sizes if anyone's interested.
Scrub that, I've just found a link to a calculator:
http://www.mrpinhole.com/holesize.php

The method I finally came up with for making perfect pinholes of exact
sizes, with negligable wall thickness was to photograph a black dot on a
white background with lith film. This negative image was then used as a
"virtual" pinhole with very impressive results.
Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) - 27 May 2004 10:28 GMT
Sorry, I should have been more explicit.  I don't want a litteral "pinhole"
lens (i.e. a lens without any glass, just a small hole).  I need a lens that
can look through a hole no larger than about 2mm.  The sort of lens used for
covert cameras.  Ideally the lens would have the following characteristics:

* S-Mount ( M12 x 0.5 )
* colour compatible (i.e. it must have an IR filter and no chromatic
aboration)
* a focal length of between 3 - 6 mm
* a field of view of between 50 - 90 degrees (using a 1/3" CMOS chip)

Thanks,
Jack

> > > Where can I buy a pinhole S-mount (M12 x 0.5) lens
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> boxes, black tape and black spray paint...real high tech stuff... ;-> We used
> 4x5 film and got surprisingly sharp pictures.
Daniel Kelly \(AKA Jack\) - 26 May 2004 17:51 GMT
And does anyone know what lens mount the C-Cam8 uses?

Thanks,
Jack

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> Sorry for posting to loads of news groups.
 
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