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ff - 30 May 2004 14:18 GMT
I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
around £100.

So far the only real option seems to be the jessops PRIMEFILM FILM
SCANNER 1800U for £99. I have read several reviews that have said it's
not as good as the much more expensive minolta and nikon ones but OK
for the price and gives acceptable results.

All the photo's are from basic cameras taken in 60's and 70's, nothing
particularly spectacular quality, so I am hoping a basic result will
do OK. It will just be nice to be able to share them around as
nostalgia.

Anyone know if the primefilm is OK. Are there other things I should be
looking at. I have had trouble finding many flatbeds with transparency
adaptors apart from a trust one which gets lousy reviews.

The alternative is to project the slides and try to take a digital
phot of each one which would be quick but I'm hoping this way will
give better results. Or are the results at this pricepoint too crummy
to bother with?

Any thoughts very welcome.
Gordon Hudson - 30 May 2004 14:58 GMT
> I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> around ?100.
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>
> Any thoughts very welcome.

I had one of the earlier versions of this scanner at work and it was dire.
The results were bareley acceptable.
In particualr everything looked dark and muddy.
Contrast was very poor.

It could have been operator error.

The new one may be better, but before you commit have you thought about some
sort of
slide copier add on for a digital camera (if you have one).

I have seen these sort of things advertised and it might give at least
similar results but more cheaply.

Gordon

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Eddie B. - 30 May 2004 15:50 GMT
> I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> around ?100.
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>
> Any thoughts very welcome.

I've got one, bought from Jessops for GBP150 - now they are cheaper. You get
what you pay for. With the right photo, the results are fantastic. I've
blown stuff up to A3, on an HP1220C using proper HP photo paper, and it is
hard to tell that you are not looking at a real photo (of course, provided
you stand 2 ft away!). I've equally had results which are grainy, with out
of gamut colours, appalling lack of contrast, etc etc etc. It is USB 1, so
slow, and I've had one of the psu units pack up. They are about GBP20 to
replace.

If my Primefilm scanner packed up, I would get another.

The 1800 dpi resolution equates to 2432x1704 pixels, which is about 4 MPix,
but, the result is not as good as a 4 MPix digital photo because you have a
soft focus, and all the dust that you left on the neg or slide you are
scanning. Frankly, the soft focus is not much of an issue with portraiture,
but it is with landscapes which have fine detail in the distance. I'm
scanning slides to make Powerpoint presentations, and the Primefilm is more
than I require (about 1 MPix is enough). You can scan negatives or slides.

Eddie B
Gordon Hudson - 30 May 2004 16:07 GMT
> > I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> > around ?100.
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> soft focus, and all the dust that you left on the neg or slide you are
> scanning.

I had forgotten about the dust!

Even worse when it was under a glass mount.

Gordon
John - 30 May 2004 21:46 GMT
Happy with mine too. Can be a bit tedious but a great tool for PC archiving
old slides and negs.

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> > > I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> > > around ?100.
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>
> Gordon
D.R. - 30 May 2004 23:13 GMT
> I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> around 100.
>
> So far the only real option seems to be the jessops PRIMEFILM FILM
> SCANNER 1800U for 99. I have read several reviews that have said
it's
> not as good as the much more expensive minolta and nikon ones but OK
> for the price and gives acceptable results.
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>
> Any thoughts very welcome.

I bought a 2nd hand HP Photosmart S20. It scans
my negs and slides at 2400dpi. Most negs it will
scan well. Dust is a problem though, but nothing
the clone brush in PS/PSP won't fix. I got mine
for about US$50.
Alan Rogers - 31 May 2004 14:45 GMT
> I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> around ?100.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Any thoughts very welcome.

I had one of these until recently and it was OK for digitising old negatives
and slides.  Sometimes the results were fine, at other times they were very
disappointing.  Then I bought a PF3600 and I can't really say that it is any
better.  Seems to underexpose by default and produces some banding
observable in the darker areas.  Also the film looks grainier than it does
through a magnifying glass.  I may consider getting extension tubes for my
Canon EOS 300D instead because I've done a lot of copying by camera over the
years and it seems to turn out fine.  Does anyone know how copying would
compare to scanning in a case like this?

Alan
stewy - 01 Jun 2004 14:33 GMT
> I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> around ?100.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not as good as the much more expensive minolta and nikon ones but OK
> for the price and gives acceptable results.

I bought the 1800U a couple of years back to scan my entire neg and slide
collection and have been very pleased with the result - pictures were a bit
'muddy' at the beginning but a bit of tweaking with the control settings
considerably improved this. I think you'll find scans to be very satisfying
and after-work with the Unsharp mask will improve things more - this is the
one and only drawback - some after-scan work is necessary, but then again,
it won't be every neg.
You'll probably get a copy of Photoshop 5LE thrown in for free too.
ff - 02 Jun 2004 22:20 GMT
Thanks for all your comments which were very helpfull. Here is my
progress.

Before posting I tried placing a slide on a flatbed scanner (cheap
umax)  which achieved no picture. Shining a neon light on top while on
a flatbed had little effect. And building shiny white paper prism
shaped pyramids to reflect the scanners light back down onto the slide
which acheived something just about recognisable if your squinted and
used you imagination a bit. But nothing remotely useable.

Since posting, inspired partly by the suggestion to look at add ons
for a digital camera I have looked at devices like
http://www.dcresource.com/SlideCopier/index.html and tried to immitate
the princibles. I have tried holding a slide up against the light,
backed by a translucent piece of tupperware plastic, and zooming in
with a macro lense which achieved a picture ok for emailing though not
fantastic.

I then found our slide projector actually has a proper little light
box behind a hatch at the back and placed a slide on that and zoomed
in with the macro and actually achieved an ok result. It is not as
sharp as the original and the colour is perhaps a little off but not
bad for general use. Feel faintly foolish for not thinking of
something so simple before. When I have tried holding a slide up to
the light before the camera just shot right through it. Decent backing
is clearly the trick.

My mother, a more decisive consumer than I, marched into Jessops when
she was in town yesterday and purchased one of the primefilm scanner
1800u  for £99 with 30 days approval. The results were better than
with the macro lense but not as much you might assume. Unfortunatly we
then discovered that our slides are not a standard 35mm by 24mm but
37mm by 37mm square. This problem had not occured to us and means the
scanner chopped off a chunk of slide. So we sent it back... Comments
suggest that with more time to play around with it I would have
achieved better yet results. As it was the slides looked a bit washed
out but more detailed. The dust did become very obvious.

We also now have a neat jessops slide viewer which is a little light
box behind a magnifying glass which works quite well. Tried useing the
digital camera on it and achieved much warmer colour but not quite as
good detail as just using a plain lighbox.

So in brief
Flatbed scanner with no attatchment pretty useless
Camera with macro lense (fuji 602) actually not bad, adequate.
£99 film scanner best yet but not by a huge margin.

And I am open to suggestions on scanning non standard size slides. For
the moment I will just do a macro lense shot of each but it would be
nice to do it properly. Are flatbeds more versitile? I may wait a year
or too and try and pick up the new epson with "ice" for dust cheap.
Hmm.

Thanks for all thoughts, very helpfull.
ff - 04 Jun 2004 17:08 GMT
Oh the link for using a paper pyramid to scan slides on a flatbed is
here
http://www.abstractconcreteworks.com/essays/scanning/Backlighter.html
as well as links to using a flourescent light.
Like I said it didn't work for me but there you go.
stewy - 05 Jun 2004 13:20 GMT
> Thanks for all your comments which were very helpfull. Here is my
> progress.
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> Camera with macro lense (fuji 602) actually not bad, adequate.
> ?99 film scanner best yet but not by a huge margin.

Go for a flatbed with a proper light source built into the lid - I have an
Epson GT8200UF - the quality is not as good as film scanner, but it will
take any size neg up to 6x6cm in a holder and perhaps up to 8cm wide on the
glass plate.
FredG - 23 Jun 2004 22:41 GMT
> I'm looking to digitize some slides onto my computer for hopefully
> around ?100.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not as good as the much more expensive minolta and nikon ones but OK
> for the price and gives acceptable results.

How about the Epson Perfection 1670 Photo Scanner for ?75.00 from
www.aria.co.uk
 
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