Hi, I just bought a SB22s Nikon flash and have it attached on my Nikon F80s
camera. I chose f5.6 for most of the shots with Fuji Reala100 film, the
shutter speed automatically set to 1/60s once the external flash is attached
on my camera. No filter was used for the test shots, my lens was Nikkon
28-80mm G lens. I used the flash for all of my shots, both indoor and
outdoor, I set to "A" mode with shutter speed fixed at 1/60s and let the
external flash did the rest automatically.
After developed this "test" roll at the Wal-mart, I found that "all" of my
matte photos are "blurred". It doesn't look like out of focus, because
nothing was focused, not even the subject nor the background. It more looks
like adding a soft lens/filter on my camera. I was actually shooting an
informal wedding rehearsal (both indoor and outdoor) and now I'm so scared
the same problem will occur again on the actual day.
I used to take lots of pictures with my camera and never find a situation
like this. However, that was the first time I attached an external flash.
I would be very appreciated if anyone can give me some comments. Thanks in
advance!
Janette
Marc 182 - 11 Sep 2003 07:32 GMT
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@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>, geomorphologist@rogers.com
says...
> Hi, I just bought a SB22s Nikon flash and have it attached on my Nikon F80s
> camera. I chose f5.6 for most of the shots with Fuji Reala100 film, the
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> I would be very appreciated if anyone can give me some comments. Thanks in
> advance!
The external flash would tend to sharpen images as it freezes camera
shake. I don't see how the external flash could have caused bluring.
I assume f5.6 is full open for your lens? Stop it down one or two.
Many lenses don't perform well wide open. Your flash should compensate
with more light.
Is your lens clean? Dumb question, but you have to ask. I also do
computer support, "is it plugged in?" is a common question.
Technical problem at Wal-mart? Maybe their machine was having a bad day.
Have a few images printed at a better lab.
Another test shoot is in order. Shooting a wedding with new equipment
probably isn't a good idea.
Good luck,
Marc
zeitgeist - 12 Sep 2003 06:13 GMT
> Hi, I just bought a SB22s Nikon flash and have it attached on my Nikon F80s
> camera. I chose f5.6 for most of the shots with Fuji Reala100 film, the
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> I would be very appreciated if anyone can give me some comments. Thanks in
> advance!
I shoot medium format and don't know 35mm, but it maybe that your camera is
set for a program that expects to shoot ambient light and is only using the
flash for fill.
is the film screwed up? did you look at the negs? walmart? that's a real
class act.
did you hit some button to make the camera go into macro focus mode (if such
a thing exists on it.)
Janette Lo - 12 Sep 2003 06:40 GMT
Hi everyone, thanks for all your suggestions! There's some more things that
i would like to add:
1. I used to hand hold my camera with slow shutter speed, ie slower than
1/60 and they came out nicely. I usually take landscape photos.
2. The photos are blurred in the same way, if it's caused by hand shaking,
then each one should blurred differently. They look that adding a soft
filter, whole image was soften.
3. I used tripod for some of the shots with a cable release, and as well,
they are also blurred in the same way as others.
4. I "just" remember one "important" thing...when I took those pictures, my
camera indicator showed that the shot was underexposed, ie. the bar went to
the negative side, quite a few stops actually. So, I now try to guess if my
photos are "all" underexposed...I was unaware of the indicator because I
thought the flash will "do" something to compensate it, and now i know it's
not!
5. And tonight I tried with another roll of film and found something that I
don't understand...when I used "A" mode and set f4 (the largest aperture for
my lens) with the external flash turned on, the shutter speed was fixed at
1/60s, with the indicator bar pointed towards the negative sign
(underexposed).
Question: does it mean that if I take the photo with this setting (with the
external flash), my photo will get underexposed?
Then I switched off the flash and the shutter speed changed automatically
(to a slower speed), and the underexposed sign was gone (that means the shot
was in right exposure).
Next, I used shutter priorty "S" mode and set the shutter speed to 1/60s
with the external flash on. It surely said it was underexposed. So I change
the shutter speed until it said it was at right exposure, at that time it
was already 1/10s with f4.8.
Question: If I used the above "S" setting, will I get a proper exposed
picture, even though the flash speed (sync speed??) is different from the
shutter speed?
Next, I used "M" mode and adjust the shutter and aperture until the
underexposed sign was gone. However, it seemed to me that the setting was
not affected no matter I used the external flash or not (ie. no matter I
turned on or turned off the external flash, my setting stayed the same --
unless I adjust it by myself).
Question: As the external flash never affect the aperture or shutter speed I
manually set in "M" mode, will I still able to get a proper exposed picture?
Finally, I tried "P" mode with the external flash and found the setting to
be f5.6 with 1/60s. However, it doesn't have an underexposed sign. Then, I
switched off the external flash and found the new setting was f4.2 with
1/10s.
Question: Which mode will you suggest me to use? I want the safest mode for
that important occasion. I will definitely use ISO400 films.
Thanks in advance!!
Janette
> Hi, I just bought a SB22s Nikon flash and have it attached on my Nikon F80s
> camera. I chose f5.6 for most of the shots with Fuji Reala100 film, the
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>
> Janette
W Bauske - 12 Sep 2003 11:21 GMT
> Finally, I tried "P" mode with the external flash and found the setting to
> be f5.6 with 1/60s. However, it doesn't have an underexposed sign. Then, I
> switched off the external flash and found the new setting was f4.2 with
> 1/10s.
This sounds promising. Try some shots in P mode, with the flash.
The other modes you described make it sound like the camera and flash
aren't agreeing on what to do.
The blurry part sounds like a focus problem. Some AF lenses give up on focus
when it's too dark and just go to one end or the other of the focus range
and stop. If you don't notice it, the camera will still take the shot. Other
lenses will hunt back and forth until you let up on the button. I assume
the F80s has a focus assist light, so turn it on to help the camera focus in
low light.
Good luck.
Wes
Mariusz - 12 Sep 2003 11:21 GMT
Most probably it's lab's fault. Inspect the negatives or make prints in an
another lab, then go to walmart for the refund or remake. Labs can be out of
focus as anything else. Just don't let them make fool of you, most of the
time they try to.
Some cameras work strangely with flash in A or Tv mode. You have to learn
how yours does. Read your instruction manual.
Mariusz
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> Hi everyone, thanks for all your suggestions! There's some more things that
> i would like to add:
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> 3. I used tripod for some of the shots with a cable release, and as well,
> they are also blurred in the same way as others.
Jean - 12 Sep 2003 07:38 GMT
> Hi, I just bought a SB22s Nikon flash and have it attached on my Nikon F80s
> camera. I chose f5.6 for most of the shots with Fuji Reala100 film, the
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>
> Janette
If you set your Camera to A mode the shutter speed will not be automatically
set to the flash sync speed, it will set it at whatever the ambient light
requires, the only mode that sets the speed is P mode.
You are just getting camera shake from the long exposure time that the
camera has set. Next time use P or S and set the shutter your self.
Jean
JustaPawn - 12 Sep 2003 15:42 GMT
Sounds like a focus problem, but without seeing the images....
As I don't use an auto anything camera, I'd go with manual. Get a meter that
can read flash to determine your exposure. Have a subject hold it and fire the
flash on test. Try different distances to see how it changes. Shoot at a slower
speed than the sync if you want to add ambient light.
I'd say some conscious testing is in order.
With my setup, 400 film is typically in the f11 @ 60th range, though exposure
will vary greatly depending on distance to the subject.
Janette Lo - 16 Sep 2003 22:17 GMT
Hi, thanks again for everyone's suggestion!
I redeveloped the photos at Walmart (of course free of charge) and guess
what...the photos are sharp and the grayish color is gone! They said it's
their machine's focus problem...something like that...
However, I now realize that if I use "A" mode and use the external flash,
the metering value will not be changed....so I will meter normally and then
add the flash in "A" mode....or should I use "A" mode for the indoor
shots??
Thanks again,
Janette
> Sounds like a focus problem, but without seeing the images....
>
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> With my setup, 400 film is typically in the f11 @ 60th range, though exposure
> will vary greatly depending on distance to the subject.
stan - 19 Sep 2003 00:52 GMT
Hopefully the major thing you've learned is to find a competent place to have
your film processed.
Stan
Visual Arts Photography
> Hi, thanks again for everyone's suggestion!
>
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> exposure
> > will vary greatly depending on distance to the subject.