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HELP !!!!!!!! WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHY IN CHURCHES????????????

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Efe M - 22 Aug 2005 15:15 GMT
Hi

I have FUJI S2 PRO. I have taken so far 4 Wedding Photos but everytime
I cannot get the Church Photos right. They never let me use Flash so I
use either 1600 ASA or 800 ASA but as know they all come out pretty
crab.

Last time I used 800 ASA but the photos still came out of focus kind
of.. I am not sure if I should be using Tripod but any help would be
much appretiated.

Thank you on advance,

Efe
Randall Ainsworth - 22 Aug 2005 16:28 GMT
> I have FUJI S2 PRO. I have taken so far 4 Wedding Photos but everytime
> I cannot get the Church Photos right. They never let me use Flash so I
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> of.. I am not sure if I should be using Tripod but any help would be
> much appretiated.

Maybe you shouldn't be photographing weddings.
Efe M - 22 Aug 2005 17:01 GMT
Thanks for your advice, i have since decided to ignore yours
Randall Ainsworth - 22 Aug 2005 17:25 GMT
> Thanks for your advice, i have since decided to ignore yours

Your loss. You're not doing the general public any favors.
Justin Thyme - 23 Aug 2005 12:44 GMT
> Thanks for your advice, i have since decided to ignore yours
I would suggest you don't ignore his advice
Justin Thyme - 23 Aug 2005 12:47 GMT
>> I have FUJI S2 PRO. I have taken so far 4 Wedding Photos but everytime
>> I cannot get the Church Photos right. They never let me use Flash so I
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>
> Maybe you shouldn't be photographing weddings.
I agree!! I do a fair bit of photo-finishing for some of the local wedding
"photographers". Notice the quotes around the word. Some of the stuff I
print for them is just garbage. It seems that anyone who can afford a nice
expensive camera thinks that they are automatically qualified to be a
wedding photographer. I don't do weddings (well I have been known to on the
odd occassion), because I don't consider my work to be of a high enough
standard, and consistent enough to be entrusted to photographing what is
probably the most important single event in people's lives. But I am not
being arrogant in saying that what I produce is 10 times better than what
some of these so-called professionals are churning out.
Walter Mitty - 26 Aug 2005 15:08 GMT
>>>I have FUJI S2 PRO. I have taken so far 4 Wedding Photos but everytime
>>>I cannot get the Church Photos right. They never let me use Flash so I
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> being arrogant in saying that what I produce is 10 times better than what
> some of these so-called professionals are churning out.

So rather pontificate on how great you and your superiors are, how about
spending the time giving some hints and tips?

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Justin Thyme - 27 Aug 2005 09:00 GMT
> So rather pontificate on how great you and your superiors are, how about
> spending the time giving some hints and tips?
I wasn't actually pontificating on how good i and others are - I was instead
lamenting at how bad some of the "i've got an expensive camera, now I'm a
professional photographer" crowd are. When you print 100 wedding photos and
not one of them is in focus, or the wedding dress is solid blown white
because, because... hell I don't know why it's overexposed - Full Auto isn't
that bad on any camera I've used. Or depth of field is so small that half
the group in the group shot are out of focus, or depth of field is so long
that the close up of the brides face shows all the crap in the background in
clear focus. Group shots that are so noisy you can't make out details of
anyones face, because the shot was clearly done at a very high ISO, despite
being outdoors where ISO 100 would have still given a decent shutter speed
at small aperture. Group shots where everyone is squinting because they are
all staring into the sun. You get the idea. These are simple mistakes that
any photographer can make, but that shouldn't be made by someone asking a
premium amount for their services - especially one with the benefit of
instant digital preview.

But, since you asked about tips (I did give a tip in my other post) I'll add
a couple more. Firstly to recap - the tip I gave in my original post was to
study, then take lots of shots. This is the best way of learning for
anyone - take pictures in varying situations, and then analyze what you did
wrong and what you did right. Digital makes this process easy with extremely
low cost, and exif info to tell you what you did with every shot.
Experiment with shutter speed and aperture, learn how the two interact.
Learn how depth of field interacts with aperture. Learn how to make the best
compromise between the depth of field you would like to achieve, and the
shutter speed you can use. Learn the compromise between grain/noise and film
speed.  This is all best learnt by experimentation - no-one in this group
can say "shoot this shot at 1/60sec at F5.6 with ISO 800".
Some more specific advice:
Experiment with your gear to find your own personal limits with it - for
example some people can hand-hold at a lot lower shutter speeds than other
people. You may find you have the steady hands to take a sharp photo at
1/30sec with an 80mm lens or you might be a shaker who needs 1/200 sec with
the same lens. You will also find that the way you stand will affect how low
your shutter speed can go when handholding and still give a sharp image - my
personal favorite is to crouch with my right elbow resting on my right knee.
Before shooting in a specific environment, whenever possible go ahead to
check out lighting etc. Eg in some churches you aren't allowed to use flash
or tripod - if lighting is too poor to handhold, you are either going to
have to skip over those shots or use alternative camera supports, such as
the back of a pew or a window frame. Or alternatively you could use the fact
that you are not going to be able to take a sharp photo to your advantage
and use deliberate and creative blur techniques such as zooming. You may
find that to do certain shots, you need to expand on your equipment, by
purchasing items such as flashguns, maybe a monopod, faster lenses,  IS
lenses etc.  It is better to be forewarned though than to suddenly find
yourself in a church trying to hand-hold half-second exposures.
Be aware that even with a tripod, if you require long exposures, your
subjects are likely to move thus also creating blur. Timing is of the
essence here - If you need to make a half-second exposure, you aren't going
to get a sharp shot of the bride walking down the aisle, but if she pauses
you've got your chance. Of course you can also use this to your advantage
and take shots that convey a sense of motion. For example, one of the most
effective "signing of the registry" shots i've seen (and I wish I could
claim credit for taking the photo), was one where the groom's hand was a
blur over the signature. The photographer said the lighting in the room was
very dull, there was a strict no flash rule, and he was stuck to about 2sec
exposure with 800ISO film and his fastest lens. He turned what would have
otherwise been a disastrous situation for photography into a very effective
photo. The end result looked far better than if he had have frozen the
moment with a flashgun.
It's all about knowing what you can and can't achieve, and then using that
to achieve a satisfactory result.
dadiOH - 27 Aug 2005 15:04 GMT
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hard to read.  The readabilty would be vastly improved by pressing the
<Enter> kay twice after each paragraph so that paragraphs are separated
by "white space" - blank lines.

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Steve - 23 Aug 2005 05:34 GMT
Definitely use a tripod.

Even with the higher asa, you need a slower shutter speed, and at
slower speeds the slightest shake will ruin a shot.

If your camera has a cable release you should also use it for those
shots, if not just be very gentle pressing the shutter.  

>Hi
>
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>
>Efe
FEM - 23 Aug 2005 09:12 GMT
Thank you steve, i will try that next time in fact i will go to church
for a practise, not everyone borns as a wedding photographer i guess
:-)

thank you again mate
Justin Thyme - 23 Aug 2005 12:50 GMT
> Hi
>
> I have FUJI S2 PRO. I have taken so far 4 Wedding Photos but everytime
> I cannot get the Church Photos right. They never let me use Flash so I
> use either 1600 ASA or 800 ASA but as know they all come out pretty
> crab.
There's your problem right there - your paying too much attention to the
seafood buffet instead of the bride and groom.

> Last time I used 800 ASA but the photos still came out of focus kind
> of.. I am not sure if I should be using Tripod but any help would be
> much appretiated.
Really, if you don't know the answer to that question, you are not qualified
to be a wedding photographer. This is Photography 101 stuff.  Get a book,
read it. Shoot a LOT more (heck your using digital which is almost free,
take advantage of that), and do a lot more learning - THEN and only then,
book another wedding.

> Thank you on advance,
>
> Efe
FEM - 25 Aug 2005 11:32 GMT
Thanks guys i guess i wont ignore the advices than , but then i want to
learn and coming from an experiences guys like you i tought i can get
really good advices. I need encouragement, its all about confidence. I
will be doing lots more practising.
zeitgeist - 28 Aug 2005 08:03 GMT
> I have FUJI S2 PRO. I have taken so far 4 Wedding Photos but everytime
> I cannot get the Church Photos right. They never let me use Flash so I
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> of.. I am not sure if I should be using Tripod but any help would be
> much appretiated.

Its really not appropriate to use a flash during a religious ceremony.

But wedding photographers have been doing images for generations.

You don't say what the problem is.  Are they blurry?  out of focus?  orange?
all of the above?

Obviously a tripod is called for.  Dark situations usually means slow
shutter speeds.  Besides pictures just look sharper anyway.

1,600   800? those are just variables, each with an advantage and a price.
You should be informed and competent enough to make selections to capture an
image under these kids of typical situations.

Do you know how to white balance so the color cast isn't red/orange?
 
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