Hi,
Happy New Year. I'm hoping someone in this group can help me with a
basic macro photography question. I'm not new to photography but have
never done macro work before, but got the new Tamron 90mm f/2.8 macro
lens for Christmas, as I've always wanted to get those really close up
shots of bugs etc!
I asked the salesperson if this was the lens i would need to get a
closeup of a fly's eye for example and he said definitely. However
when I started playing around with it and found that the closest you
can get to the object is 20cm I don't know how this can be possible.
Do I need additional macro equipment such as bellows etc to do this
type of work? or have I just got the wrong lens for the job?
Any assistance with this query would be greatly appreciated.
Jenny
Chris Sprague - 06 Jan 2006 21:48 GMT
Well consider this:
The Tamron lens, which I also own (for Nikon AF) has a maximum
magnification of 1:1. What that means is that if you shoot with
maximum extension, the size of the subject on the film will be the
exact same size it is in real life. Were you to take a picture of a
flower, for example, and later hold the slide next to the flower, they
could perfectly overlap, size-wise.
Of course, 35mm film is always enlarged, either for printing or
projection, so what you end up with is a large shot of a small object,
revealing detail not visible to the naked eye.
If you want to shoot close-ups of a compound eye, you can do this
unaided, unless you want the image to fill the whole frame. It also
depends on the type of insect. Dragonfly? Sure. You'll see the
compound eye patterns at 1:1. Horsefly? No way.
For refererence, here are two quite awful hand-held 1:1 shots of
insects that I've found in my apartment:
http://betelgeuse.umeqs.maine.edu/chris/details/Centipede1.jpg
http://betelgeuse.umeqs.maine.edu/chris/details/ant.jpg
For the type of photography you seem to be after, you're going to need
extra extension at a minumum. Depending on what type of camera system
you own, this might result in the loss of TTL metering.
For the truly hard-core close-ups (photomicography), one set-up that
I've heard of is mounting a motion picture camera lens backwards at the
end of a macro bellows. John Shaw discusses this technique in his
book, Nature Photography Field Guide. Or perhaps it's in Close-ups in
Nature, I forget which.
Never having done that, however, I can't offer much help other than to
point out that such a technique exists, in hopes that you'll be able to
find out more about it by searching for info on your own.
Hope this helps some.
- Chris
Bill Hilton - 08 Jan 2006 06:21 GMT
> jennifer_lou...@hotmail.com writes ...
>
>got the new Tamron 90mm f/2.8 macro lens for
>Christmas ... Do I need additional macro equipment
>such as bellows etc to do this type of work? (closeup
>of a fly's eye for example)
You can go 1:1 (lifesize) with this lens (assuming 35 mm) so about 1 x
1.5" ... to magnify further, like to get a fly's eye, you'll need a
different lens or more extension ... I second Chris Sprague's
recommendation for John Shaw's books, he covers the options very well
... I'd try another 50 mm of extension or so with the lens you have
first. As you'll quicly see there are many issues with depth of field,
steadiness and focussing once you go higher than 1x and I find a
focussing rail works best ...
If you REALLY get into this kind of work and shoot Canon I'd recommend
their special 65 mm lens that starts at 1x and magnifies to 5x ... I
got this for my wife last year for Christmas and it can give
outstanding results but is very hard to use and we almost always use it
with a ring flash ... here's a write-up on this lens with some pics
showing you what 5x can do ...
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/mp-e-65.shtml
Bill
buzzybee68 - 12 Jan 2006 03:21 GMT
Bill, just wanted to say how blown away I was by the Sonoran Desert
photos taken by your wife and yourself. Did you use a fixed 500mm lens
for this work? and do you mainly work in digital or 35mm format?
I just had to leave a comment, as I think your work is magnificent.
Jenny
Bill Hilton - 12 Jan 2006 14:38 GMT
> Jenny writes ...
>
> Bill, just wanted to say how blown away I was by the Sonoran
> Desert photos taken by your wife and yourself.
Thanks Jenny, we appreciate the comments ... just about to jump on a
plane for a long flight to photograph so glad we caught your message
before we left.
> Did you use a fixed 500mm lens for this work?
A couple of the hummingbird-in-flight shots were with a 70-200 but I
think all the rest were with the 500 f/4, mostly with a 1.4x converter
though a couple like the nesting hummingbirds were shot with a 2x.
> and do you mainly work in digital or 35mm format?
Two of these were film (top nesting hummingbird and the roadrunner),
the rest with digital. We dropped 35 mm once we got 8 megapixel
digital bodies and most of these images were shot with an 8 Mpixel
Canon 1D Mark II, which has a very fast frame rate (8 fps) and
extremely fast autofocus, two features that are ideal for bird
photography. A few images were shot with a Canon 1Ds (11 Mpixel full
frame digital) but it's slower than the M II and isn't used as much.
The sensor on the 1D Mark II is a bit smaller than full-frame 35 mm so
we get a 1.3x fov crop as well, so the 500 with a 1.4x is 700 mm
optically but 910 mm field-of-view equivalent to 35 mm. Great combo
but with the tripod and heavy pivot head it weighs about 20 lbs :)
Thanks again.
Bill
buzzybee68 - 20 Jan 2006 20:40 GMT
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your reply about the equipment you use. Look forward to
seeing your new batch of photos when you get back.
Thanks again.
Jenny
buzzybee68 - 12 Jan 2006 03:14 GMT
Thank you Chris and Bill for your very helpful comments. I will
certainly try and locate John Shaw's book and in the meantime have a
lot of fun experimenting with my macro lens. I have used a zoom lens
for many years for my wildlife work, so the macro world is a new
challenge to me.
I've just started using newsgroups again after a break of about 10
years and always find people in the photographic groups so helpful.
Thank you to you both again.
Jenny