Will be in a remote camp in Maine in October for six days and we'll
have no electricity or generator, though we can drive in (about 90 min
drive on a logging road) so we'll have a vehicle. We'll be shooting
mostly medium format film but will also have digital gear and a laptop
and will need power for the laptop, a Nixvue external HD and a Canon
battery charger. So I guess I need to get a converter that plugs into
the cigarette lighter of the rental car.
This looks pretty simple so these are probably dumb questions, but I
was wondering if anyone has done this and had problems? Can you plug a
power strip into the single outlet most of these converters seem to
have so you can run several things at once (keeping within the power
limitations of course)? Does the car have to be on while doing this to
keep the battery charged or does it discharge so little of the power
that you can run it with the car off (I'm expecting very cold temps, at
least at night)?
Thanks.
Bill
Paul Furman - 01 Aug 2005 22:01 GMT
> Will be in a remote camp in Maine in October for six days and we'll
> have no electricity or generator, though we can drive in (about 90 min
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> that you can run it with the car off (I'm expecting very cold temps, at
> least at night)?
Get a larger model with a few plugs and more power. Cheaper ones have a
noisy fan. You can run them with the car off but risk being unable to
start the car of course so I got an extra car battery for that scenario.
I paid too much for my noisy one at Radio Shack, have heard others found
better for cheaper.

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Paul Furman - 02 Aug 2005 15:41 GMT
> Get a larger model with a few plugs and more power. Cheaper ones have a
> noisy fan. You can run them with the car off but risk being unable to
> start the car of course so I got an extra car battery for that scenario.
> I paid too much for my noisy one at Radio Shack, have heard others found
> better for cheaper.
For the record, this is what I got (300w $100):
<http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5
F009%5F001%5F008%5F000&product%5Fid=22%2D146>
other models:
<http://www.radioshack.com/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%
5F009%5F001%5F008%5F000&Page=1&find=inverter(keyword)&hp=search>
It has a noisy annoying fan but I had no problem running a laptop while
charging camera batteries & cell phone with 12v lights on inside. A
small vaccume cleaner blew the breaker (simple reset button).

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PWW - 01 Aug 2005 22:23 GMT
Bill
You might want to look at
" XPower Powerpack 300 Plus Plug in to portable power anytime, anywhere, at
home or on the road. Use this sealed 20-amp-hour/200 CCA battery and
300-watt inverter combo system to jump start vehicles, run 115-volt AC or
12-volt DC accessories and even power your home security system in a power
failure. Built-in 250 psi air compressor inflates tires and small sports
equipment. Battery recharges from a standard 120-volt household outlet or
12-volt accessory outlet."
http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?deptID=&subOf=55&skunum=26
434&src=TSC
Or
http://tinyurl.com/c4td8
Sounds like it might be a good for this type of job. It looks like a little
12 volt battery that also has 300 watt invertor built in. You can charge it
from 110 or off a running car. So you could use it and if it kills the
battery no problem, you could just charge it again.
Although you need to be aware of low cost invertors are not very good for
Hard drives, but should be OK with a Laptop transformer.
I have never used this item and do not know anyone who has. I just ran
across it a while back and your needs seemed it might work.
Paul Wilson
On 8/1/05 4:48 PM, in article
1122929337.772386.137760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Bill Hilton"
<bhilton665@aol.com> wrote:
> Will be in a remote camp in Maine in October for six days and we'll
> have no electricity or generator, though we can drive in (about 90 min
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>
> Bill
Bill Hilton - 03 Aug 2005 00:22 GMT
> Paul Wilson wrote ...
>
>You might want to look at
" XPower Powerpack 300 Plus"
Thanks Paul, but this is pretty heavy for flying ... maybe ideal for
camping if you drive and have space and need the power though.
Pete - 01 Aug 2005 23:07 GMT
> Will be in a remote camp in Maine in October for six days and we'll
> have no electricity or generator, though we can drive in (about 90 min
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>
> Bill
DC-to-AC inverters come in several varieties.
The fancy ones produce pure sine-wave output, just like you get at home.
They will run just about anything as long as you don't exceed the power
rating.
The cheap ones produce a square-wave output, which is incompatible with
many electronic/electrical devices and can even destroy them. This is a
common problem with solar-powered houses. I have seen it reported that
laptops are pretty tolerant of square-wave power, except for some Macs. I
have had square-wave power fry a battery charger; some other chargers just
don't work.
Also available are "modified square-wave" inverters, which give you
in-between power quality for an in-between price.
For my Dell laptop, I got a DC powerpack which converts 12V DC into the
same DC voltage provided by the laptop's AC powerpack. However, the laptop
also works fine when I plug the AC powerpack into a square-wave inverter.
For delicate low power devices such as cell phone and camera chargers, and
presumably your external HD, I'd recommend a low-power pure sine-wave
inverter.
A laptop will discharge a car battery in roughly 10 hours, so this is an
issue. The hours add up pretty fast.
HTH
Pete
Bill Hilton - 03 Aug 2005 00:20 GMT
> Pete wrote ...
>
>DC-to-AC inverters come in several varieties
Thanks for the informative post, Pete ... after digesting what you and
Roger wrote I think I'll get a relatively low power modified-sine wave
inverter, which is not too costly, and use it on the laptop and the
Canon battery charger. I think I'll *not* use it with the Nixvue,
which is a high-strung, temperamental piece-of-kit on it's best days :)
I like to have at least two copies before I clear images from the CF
cards (typically on the laptop and then the Nixvue) but for just five
days shooting digital mainly on moose and loons while doing the
majority of landscape shooting with medium format film I think I have
enough CF space (16 GB so far) that I won't have to erase them,
especially if I turn off the 8 fps option on the cameras.
Thanks for your help.
Bill
Bill Hilton - 11 Aug 2005 02:20 GMT
I picked up a converter today at Fry's, two outlet plugs, modified
sine-wave output, plenty of wattage and a warning if the battery drops
to 10.5 V with auto-shut off if the battery drops to 10 V so I won't
run down the car battery. All for $30 ... thanks for the posts guys.
Bill
John Ebert - 11 Aug 2005 16:24 GMT
> I picked up a converter today at Fry's, two outlet plugs, modified
> sine-wave output, plenty of wattage and a warning if the battery drops
> to 10.5 V with auto-shut off if the battery drops to 10 V so I won't
> run down the car battery. All for $30 ... thanks for the posts guys.
Hello Bill -- I'm in the market for the same.
I want to recharge 10D batteries
and possibly run a laptop computer.
What's the brand and model number of yours?
(I can look up the specs myself.)
Is it noisy or quiet?
Thank you.
--
JohnE
Bill Hilton - 11 Aug 2005 17:56 GMT
>> I picked up a converter today at Fry's, two outlet plugs, modified
>> sine-wave output, plenty of wattage and a warning if the battery
>> drops to 10.5 V with auto-shut off if the battery drops to 10 V
>John Ebert wrote ...
>
>I'm in the market for the same. What's the brand and model
>number of yours?
I got a 150 watt Wagan Tech, but there were several other brands and
models (different power outputs) to choose from at Fry's. The low
power warning and shut off sounded good and I think having two outlets
will let me charge camera batteries while running the laptop, so that
was a plus as well.
>Is it noisy or quiet?
Haven't fired it up yet so dunno ... it has a cooling fan but on the
package it says "Quiet operation" and you know the advertising never
lies :) Since the car will probably be running when I have it on I'm
not too concerned about the fan noise though.
Bill
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 02 Aug 2005 05:01 GMT
> Will be in a remote camp in Maine in October for six days and we'll
> have no electricity or generator, though we can drive in (about 90 min
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>
> Bill
Bill,
I have run numerous things off of DC to AC converters, from computers
to scientific instruments, to battery chargers. The one point I would
consider is not to get too much capacity as efficiency of the
converter might be low and a lot of power dissipated as heat in
the converter.
I have run a telescope (motor driven) with autoguider (custom
computer and CCD sensor) all night with no problem.
For laptops, I buy the DC converter designed for the laptop.
I've also done a microwave (600 watt converter).
Get everything well before you go and test all of them. I was
running a laptop and GPS once and about an hour into first time
use of the laptop converter, the converter went up in smoke.
I had to jump out of the car quickly and get it out before
it caught other things on fire!
While I have run numerous battery chargers from DC to AC converters,
I have not tested the 1D Mark II charger (yet).
I also have a nifty solar cell that can charge a car battery
in a day. I use it when camping for a long time and needing
continuous power. It has no model number as I got it used from
a do-it yourselfer.
I have never had a problem with square wave converters.
Roger