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Wildflower Paparazzi
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bogus - 25 Jul 2005 17:58 GMT Just returned from photographing wildflowers in Colorado, and I find myself, for the first time, very unhappy with an aspect of photography that seems to assume carte blanche to trash the environment just because we carry cameras. Probably the best example is American Basin. Within one week, the flowers have been trampled by numerous photographers looking for that perfect shot. It breaks my heart to see this pristine environment, which includes dozens of species, so trashed.
And it is having a long term effect. Old-timers tell me that Yankee Boy isn't even worth visiting any more. The columbines no longer grow where they used to, because of soil compaction.
I saw, on my last visit to Maroon Bells, a good example of this change. Much of what used to be covered in a great variety now shows very few species.
Most of the photos shot in these places will be tossed as outtakes, or left in a drawer. Not much of an honor for so much destruction.
So, fellow nature photographers, just what are our ethics on this issue?
Jack
Norm Dresner - 25 Jul 2005 22:27 GMT > Just returned from photographing wildflowers in Colorado, and I find > myself, for the first time, very unhappy with an aspect of photography [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jack How long a macro lens do you carry?
Norm
bogus - 26 Jul 2005 00:15 GMT Which brings up another point:
Why would anyone drive 22 miles on a rough, 4wd road to do macro work on a columbine that they could just as easily see in a nursery in Denver?
>> Just returned from photographing wildflowers in Colorado, and I find >> myself, for the first time, very unhappy with an aspect of photography [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Norm Norm Dresner - 26 Jul 2005 00:45 GMT > Which brings up another point: > > Why would anyone drive 22 miles on a rough, 4wd road to do macro work > on a columbine that they could just as easily see in a nursery in > Denver? Well, I'm not the OP but I'll give you my answer:
It's quite likely that there was much more there , even if just background scenery, than just one kind of flower.
Norm
Dean Van Praotl - 26 Jul 2005 01:06 GMT bogus <bogus@bogus.ru> apparently said:
>Which brings up another point: > >Why would anyone drive 22 miles on a rough, 4wd road to do macro work >on a columbine that they could just as easily see in a nursery in >Denver? That's simple: because it's not in Denver, nor in any other overpopulated, overpolluted, concrete rabbit warren.
bogus - 26 Jul 2005 01:18 GMT Well, that's what we photographers are doing to it. Making it overpopulated and polluting it.
Listen:
I am a photographer. I'm not just trolling here. This is a serious issue, in my mind, because we serve as an example. If ma and pa snapshooter see us out there trampling the flora, then won't they, because they also have cameras and want that"best shot" feel empowered to do the same?
>bogus <bogus@bogus.ru> apparently said: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >any other overpopulated, overpolluted, concrete >rabbit warren. Dean Van Praotl - 26 Jul 2005 22:15 GMT bogus <bogus@bogus.ru> apparently said:
> If ma and pa >snapshooter see us out there trampling the flora, then won't they, >because they also have cameras and want that"best shot" feel empowered >to do the same? I 'spect they will. I gotta run; I want to get there afore they do.
It sounds like you're suggesting that we should all just stay home, secure in the knowledge that there are beautiful places out there even if we can't go see them? The sad news for you, is that the idiots who trample everything into mud will do so with or without someone in front of them. People are born ignorant, and without education they grow up stupid. Maybe a few more of us should be out there showing some respect for the environment as an example. I try to leave the landscape in as good, or better, condition than I find it.
If it is the destiny of our wild places, to be stomped to death by hoards of nature lovers, my presence or absence will make little difference.
Jer - 27 Jul 2005 02:49 GMT > bogus <bogus@bogus.ru> apparently said: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > by hoards of nature lovers, my presence or absence will make > little difference. True, but our overt concern and consideration witnessed by others will. Education is often best served through demonstration.
 Signature jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 26 Jul 2005 04:39 GMT > Just returned from photographing wildflowers in Colorado, and I find > myself, for the first time, very unhappy with an aspect of photography [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Jack Jack, Just this afternoon I returned from a week in the Colorado mountains hiking and photographing wildflowers. I live in the Denver area and have been photographing wildflowers in Colorado for over 20 years. See: http://www.clarkvision.com My most serious wildflower photography began when I started with large format (4x5), about 15 years ago.
I was in the San Juans the last few days, as I am most summers, as well as many other areas around the state, and I am very aware of the species of flowers in different areas and how they change from year to year. And I must say, the species appearing in the same spot has varied a lot over the last few years. We have been in a drought for several years until this last winter. This spring was very wet and the winter was a larger than average snow pack. It was looking like it might be a record year for wildflowers (the last was 1997). June was the second wettest June on record in Denver. But then it dried out. The snow was still crushing any vegetation in the high country (areas I visited in early July that normally would be carpets of wildflowers were either covered in snow as deep as 6 feet or the vegetation was still smashed into the ground from the heavy snow pack).
The last month of dry weather smashed hopes of a great or even good wildflower year. Places I visited in the San Juans in the last week had 1/4 to 1/8 the wildflowers seen in a normal year. I've been to multiple basins multiple times including American and Yankee Boy basins. Over the last 6 years, wildflower populations have changed dramatically all across the state. Flowers that were there one year were not the next, nor the next. This year there has been very little color: mostly little white flowers (a couple of varieties I need to look up).
While I do not doubt that people, including photographers, can have an impact on an area, what you have seen this year is most likely not due to people, but the heavy and late melting snow pack combined with years of drought. Yankee Boy basin can be very crowded, and I would not blame any trampling of vegetation solely on photographers (amateur or pro), but by the shear mass of people tromping all over the area.
Personally, I no longer identify specific basins, but will only specify the mountains (like "San Juans"). There are so many basins with great wildflowers that one need not go solely to Yankee Boy or American basin. The basins I visited on this trip had 1 to 2 dozen people, mostly 4-wheelers and hikers, and only a couple of photographers. In general, it is my opinion that they had little impact compared to what the snow pack did, the drought, or the month of virtually no rain.
When I photograph wildflowers, I try and find local bare spots to put my gear down, and to stand in bare spots while photographing (my back usually hurts from contorted positions in the usual 45-minute session for one 4x5 scene). But no matter how hard I try, some vegetation gets smashed to the ground. When I leave, I try and ruffle (if that is the right word) the vegetation so it does not remain smashed to the ground. It should recover in a day or so, given some rain. It is no different than when deer or elk bed down for the night. Some vegetation gets smashed, but will recover.
So, in summary, the change in wildflowers you've observed is natural due to changing conditions. High mountain basins are just now emerging from heavy snow pack and the vegetation is still smashed to the ground in many areas, especially near or above treelike.
"Old Timers" who say Yankee Boy isn't worth visiting any more don't understand the ecosystem, or are annoyed with the crowds. I rarely go to Yankee Boy any more but mostly because I want to explore new areas. Areas like American Basin are so large that I suspect if you paid 100 people to spend 10 hours per day trying to trample it down for a week, they couldn't do it.
Here is a good example of the compaction issue due to the heavy snow, and change in flowers:
Wildflowers in a drought year, July 4, 2002: http://clarkvision.com/galleries/gallery.wildflowers/web/indian_peaks_wilderness c07.04.2002.L4.07c-600.html
Same spot this year, on July 2, 2005: http://www.clarkvision.com/tmp/JZ3F1588-b-700.jpg
Notice only a few white flowers in 2005, but many varieties in 2002, including bluebells near the top of the stream. This has NOTHING to do with people impact.
Roger
J. P. Scott - 28 Jul 2005 17:06 GMT > Here is a good example of the compaction issue due to the heavy > snow, and change in flowers: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Roger Roger, I so enjoyed your website. Just spent some time there. I notice you're into astro photography. We're trying to introduce it to our site and so far we have one article that you might enjoy reading here:
http://www.photography-cafe.com/forum/index.php?topic=527.0
We'd love to have more input from folks like you.
Pat
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J. P. Scott - 28 Jul 2005 17:17 GMT > Here is a good example of the compaction issue due to the heavy > snow, and change in flowers: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Roger Roger, I so enjoyed your website. Just spent some time there. I notice you're into astro photography. We're trying to introduce it to our site and so far we have one article that you might enjoy reading here:
http://www.photography-cafe.com/forum/index.php?topic=527.0
We'd love to have more input from folks like you.
Pat
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J. P. Scott - 28 Jul 2005 17:21 GMT Jack, I understand your concern about trampling flowers down. Sometimes it's impossible though to miss some of the flora when getting from Point A to Point B in certain areas.
I tend to just stay on the trails through our nature areas and that seems to work quite well but it's not Colorado! ;)
Pat
bogus - 05 Aug 2005 16:15 GMT Thanks, All, for your thoughtful responses. It's given me something more to think about. And thanks, Roger, for sharing your excellent website
Jack
>Jack, I understand your concern about trampling flowers down. >Sometimes it's impossible though to miss some of the flora when getting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Pat
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