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photo tips in Yellowstone N.P, Grand Teton, Mt. Rushmore, Badlands N.P

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ssph - 29 Jun 2005 05:56 GMT
Hello,

Next week I am planning to go to Yellowstone N.P, Grand Teton,
Mt. Rushmore and Badlands N.P with family. We will be driving
from Colorado heading north west to Grand Teton. Yellowstone
will be the second destination. Then, we will be driving to
east to Mt. Rushmore and Badlands N.P.

Since this is our first visit, I am not really sure what to expect.
I do like taking landscape, animal and insect photos.

Could anyone suggest places to take photo, so that (hopefully) I
could be there at the right time?. It would be nice if those places
are close to camp ground.

Thanks. I appreciate your helps.

-Sid-
Angela M. Cable - 29 Jun 2005 12:17 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Thanks. I appreciate your helps.

I was up at Grand Teton/Yellowstone about two weeks ago. Wildflowers
were still blooming. I've always found Grand Teton to be far more scenic
than Yellowstone. Leaving Jackson going north on 191, there will be a
pull out at the Nat'l Elk Refuge, there's a big pond there, stop and see
if there are any swans in it. In Grand Teton for early morning
shots...Mormon Row, you want to be there right at sunrise for the best
photos. As you come in from the south end of Grand Teton, turn right
onto Antelope Flats Road, you'll see the houses on your right, you'll
have to park and walk a bit, the road is chained off. Get back in the
car and turn around to follow the Mormon Row road south, there's another
barn down there. You may also find buffalo in this area. Back on the
main road, further north after going through the park entrance at Moran
is Oxbow Bend, this is another spot that's really only good early
morning. Also on the main road after Antelope Flats and before Moran is
a turn off for a dirt road to Schwabacher Landing. Follow this one to
the Lower Landing and photograph the Tetons reflected in the river.
Chapel of the Transfiguration is another morning shot, on the other side
of the park, but not early AM, it takes a bit for the sun to clear a
hill and light it. You may see elk on this side of the park. The Chapel
is at the south end of the park just past the Moose entrance station. If
there is no wedding going on, go inside and shoot the Tetons through a
huge picture window. From the town of Moose inside the park, there is a
road that runs to Wilson, not surprisingly, it's named the Moose-Wilson
Road. This is a very narrow but mostly paved road that runs along some
marshy areas. It's a good place to look for moose. It'll end at Hwy 22,
I believe, it's the Teton Pass highway anyway, turn left at the stop
light to return to Jackson.

In Yellowstone, there are of course geothermal features galore. If
you've never been before, you'll want to see Old Faithful on the west
side of the lower loop, there will be a sign stating when the next
eruption is due. If it's going to be a while, take the boardwalk and
look at all of the other stuff in this basin. The Morning Glory pool is
at the end of the walk. Back on the road, you'll also want to stop at
Kepler Cascade, maybe if you get there early enough you can get a decent
photo. I've never got a good one of it because they have a wooden
balcony for the overlook and every time I've been there somebody has
stepped onto the thing causing my tripod to jiggle. Artist's Paint pots
are cool. Dragon's Mouth (or maybe it's Breath, don't remember now) is
also pretty cool. All along both sides of the lower loop you're likely
to find elk, deer and buffalo. I've seen a bear there. On the east side
of the lower loop, you'll want to see Artist's Point, the Lower Falls of
the Yellowstone, Hayden Meadow. There may be bear around the Fishing
bridge area.

Usually, if you're going to do the whole park, you do a figure 8. You
can't do this right now, they've got Canyon to Tower closed to replace
the road. I've never found this particular stretch of road to be
particularly nice though, so you probably won't be missing much. On the
upper loop, you'll want to see Mammoth Hot Springs, there's quite often
elk in this area.

Mt. Rushmore I've not been to, however I have read that you need to be
there at the crack of dawn to get good photos of the mountain. If you
are going to be passing through Moorcroft, WY, you might want to add
Devil's Tower Nat'l Monument to the itinerary. This is the formation
that you will recognize from the movie "Close Encounters of the Third
Kind". You might want to consider buying the year long National Park
pass as well instead of paying at each park. The year long pass is $50
and is good for an entire 12 months. GT/YNP's regular 3 day (I think, it
may be good for 5 days) pass is $20, most other NP's are $10. If you did
GTNP, YNP, Devil's Tower, Mt Rushmore and Badlands, the $50 is covered
plus you'll still have a pass that's good for the rest of the year
anywhere else. If you want to see the maps that you will receive as you
enter each park:
http://data2.itc.nps.gov/parksearch/atoz.cfm
Click on the park. Click on the Plan Your Trip link. Click on Maps.
Download the PDF maps, these are exactly what you get when you enter the
parks.

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Angela M. Cable - 29 Jun 2005 22:35 GMT
> shots...Mormon Row, you want to be there right at sunrise for the best
> photos. As you come in from the south end of Grand Teton, turn right
> onto Antelope Flats Road, you'll see the houses on your right,

Sorry, that should be "you'll see the houses on your LEFT". There are
some more down to the right, it's the ones on the left that you'll spot
from the road.

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ssph - 30 Jun 2005 06:02 GMT
> I was up at Grand Teton/Yellowstone about two weeks ago. Wildflowers
> were still blooming. I've always found Grand Teton to be far more scenic
> than Yellowstone. Leaving Jackson going north on 191, there will be a
> pull out at the Nat'l Elk Refuge, there's a big pond there, stop and see
> if there are any swans in it.

Most likely we will be using 287. I don't know yet whether will be going
to Elk Refuge.

> You might want to consider buying the year long National Park
> pass as well instead of paying at each park. The year long pass is $50
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> plus you'll still have a pass that's good for the rest of the year
> anywhere else.

My 2004 National Parks Pass will only expire in Sept'05. I think we're
covered.
Angela M. Cable - 30 Jun 2005 12:10 GMT
>>I was up at Grand Teton/Yellowstone about two weeks ago. Wildflowers
>>were still blooming. I've always found Grand Teton to be far more scenic
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> Most likely we will be using 287. I don't know yet whether will be going
> to Elk Refuge.

If you're going into Jackson, you'll pass right by it.

So, you're coming up through Rawlins, WY? There's stuff to look at along
the way. Even more if you want to take a few "jogs". I don't know how
much time you have. Independence Rock would require a 20 mile jog, it's
a spot where the settlers traveling west carved their names and dates
into a rock formation. The Sinks Canyon State Park would require a 9
mile jog, this is a place where the Popo Agie River goes crashing into a
rock cave and comes bubbling out at a spot a couple of miles down the
road. There's normally lots of wildflowers at the Sinks. Something that
doesn't require you to go out of your way is Jeffrey City, this is a
modern day ghost town:
http://ghosttowns.com/
You'll also be going through the Wind River Reservation. There is a
Visitor's Center there in Fort Washakie:
http://www.easternshoshone.net/

We're you planning on going back home the same route?

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MJG - 01 Jul 2005 01:38 GMT
Trying to fill in some holes...

Yellowstone:

Bring binoculars

The drive out the Beartooth Highway, from Cooke City, at the northeast
entrance is spectacular, and above tree line for about 50 miles.  There was
an extensive mudslide on the Red Lodge end of the road that wiped out a
series of switchbacks and will be closed for most of the summer at that
point, But it is a nice out and back ride after checking out the Lamar
valley in the morning.

Lamar Valley: Buffalo, antelope, bear, and specs at  a great distance
identified by others as wolves.

Black Tail wildlife Drive, I have been skunked on this road all but twice.
First drive on BTWD produced the nicest image of a mule deer in my
collection, and last year found two moose in the ravine about a mile from
the end of the road

Look for bald eagles and osprey fishing along the Madison river, and
Firehole river.  There is a bald eagle nest several miles inside the west
entrance of the park.  It is signed for no parking, and is quite visible.

Get out early, sunrise and the following few hours, and Stay out Late, the
couple of hours prior to sunset (not easy with kids)

The geysers basins are interesting in the cool early morning hours, sun
plays off the steam at sunrise

Ask others, and or the rangers about sightings and recent kills near the
roads that might give you opportunities to observe others feeding on the
carcass, some are more helpful than others, keep asking , you will
eventually find someone willing to share information. Be prepared for the
information to be out of date.

> > I was up at Grand Teton/Yellowstone about two weeks ago. Wildflowers
> > were still blooming. I've always found Grand Teton to be far more scenic
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> My 2004 National Parks Pass will only expire in Sept'05. I think we're
> covered.
- 25 Oct 2005 21:53 GMT
>There is a bald eagle nest several miles inside the west
>entrance of the park.  It is signed for no parking, and is quite visible.

You sure that isn't an Osprey nest?
Charlie Choc - 25 Oct 2005 22:05 GMT
>>There is a bald eagle nest several miles inside the west
>>entrance of the park.  It is signed for no parking, and is quite visible.
>
>You sure that isn't an Osprey nest?

It's an eagle nest, or at least there were eagles on it this past July.
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- 26 Oct 2005 02:16 GMT
>>You sure that isn't an Osprey nest?

>It's an eagle nest, or at least there were eagles on it this past July.

It was empty a couple of weeks ago. But it sure was obvious ;)
Roger Whitehead - 26 Oct 2005 08:55 GMT
> There is a bald eagle nest several miles inside the west
> entrance of the park.  It is signed for no parking...

Even for eagles?

Roger
warren montgomery - 29 Jun 2005 14:09 GMT
> Could anyone suggest places to take photo, so that (hopefully) I
> could be there at the right time?. It would be nice if those places
> are close to camp ground.

The first suggestion is get camp ground reservations in Yellowstone if you
can.

One thing you might not expect but probably will have is snow.  It was a big
snow year this year and a cold spring, so I suspect you will still find snow
on trails in the Tetons.  Here are some suggestions:

Tetons:  The classic shots are of the mountains reflected in Jenny Lake or
Jackson Lake.  Early AM is best for sun and still water.  There are trails
around Jenny Lake and it's not hard to find places to set up.  There are
also some spots along the road where you can put the Snake river in the
foreground.  Hiking into one of the canyons will probably give you good
wildflowers this time of year, but check on snow.  Don't expect to see a lot
of large animals in the Tetons

Yellowstone:  You can't miss the buffalo, deer, and elk in the park, but the
big meadows like the Hayden valley on the east and along the road between
Norris and Mammouth on the west are good spots to look.  Bear encounters are
mainly chance.  If you come across lots of stopped cars odds are it's a
bear, and odds are good it's a long way off so bring long lenses and tripod,
and with all large animals think safety first.  (More people are injured by
buffalo which you can easily get too close to than bears, which generally
keep their distance.)  As a general rule if you want to avoid crowds all you
have to do is get off the asphalt.  In the Old Faithful area, check at the
ranger station for geyser eruption predictions.  There are half a dozen
large geysers that are reasonably predictable and if you have a day or two
and some luck you can see them all.  Early AM and sunset are great times for
geyser photos because the warm light and long shadows set off the
"geyserite" deposits around them.  If you have time, climb the Old Faithful
lookout (AM is best) for a birds eye view of an eruption.  Don't miss the
big multi-color pools in the lower and middle basin areas.  Mid day works
okay here because the colors of the pools are reflected in the steam clouds
above them.  The Norris basin near the west entrance also has a couple of
fairly predictable geysers and lots of features.  Mammouth hot springs is
different every time.  Sometimes there are masses of colorful terraces,
sometimes most of it is just stark white.  Worth a stop.

If you have time, spend a day in the Canyon area and hike down to the
lookouts in the canyon on both sides.  It's part "grand canyon" and part
"Niagra Falls".  The high country near Mt Washburn is good for wildflowers
and high elevation wildlife (e.g. sheep).

If it's open and you have time the Beartooth highway connecting yellowstone
to Red Lodge Montana is one of the more spectacular high altitude roads,
mostly above treeline with great views.  You need a good day for it though
and it's often closed by snow through June or later.

No real suggestions on Rushmore, it's pretty much just go there and shoot
the mountain (if you can see it, one time we gave up after a couple of hours
waiting for fog/clouds to clear.  Jewel Cave and Wind Cave in that area are
also nice if you don't have claustrophobia and want some different natural
scenery.  (Use flash or film or digital cameras that can be corrected for
very yellow light in caves.  I learned that one the hard way)  Devils tower
is also worth looking at and not very far off the interstate.  On the tower
look for people climbing it to add scale to your pictures.

You can't go wrong in the badlands.  Again early and late will have the best
colors.

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BJLarkin - 29 Jun 2005 23:32 GMT
>> Could anyone suggest places to take photo, so that (hopefully) I
>> could be there at the right time?. It would be nice if those places
>> are close to camp ground.

You've already had a number of first rate suggestions for the Grand
Tetons and Yellowstone and I'd not argue with any of them. It sounds
like you are on a whirlwind trip so time may be more of a problem for
you than would be the case if you had a month to spend in these two
alone. So here is a list of 15 great along-the-main-road photographs.

Grand Tetons - all morning shots

Chapel of the Transfiguration

The Ansel Adams Snake River and Grand Tetons shot from the Overlook
road

Oxbow Bend

The Grand Tetons at sun rise from the top of Signal Mountain

Mount Moran from Jackson Lake Lodge

The Grand Tetons reflected in Jenny Lake

Yellowstone National Park

Yellowstone Canyon from Grand View Point

The Lower Falls from Artist Point (half hour after sun rise)

Lake Yellowstone with Absaroka Mts in background from Yellowstone Lake
Hotel

Buffalo herd on Firehole River (1/2 mi south of Madison on way to Old
Faithful)

Old Faithful (required)

Opal Terrace (Mammoth Hot Springs)

Lamar Valley (from the Yellowstone Institute area or anywhere else,
depending on time of day)

Elk, bear, deer, wolf (wherever is convenient)
ssph - 30 Jun 2005 06:23 GMT
> If you come across lots of stopped cars odds are it's a
> bear, and odds are good it's a long way off so bring long lenses and tripod,

I am planning to bring along my 80-400mm VR lens. Probably OK for big
animal. Definitely not for bird.

> If you have time, spend a day in the Canyon area and hike down to the
> lookouts in the canyon on both sides.  It's part "grand canyon" and part
> "Niagra Falls".  The high country near Mt Washburn is good for wildflowers
> and high elevation wildlife (e.g. sheep).

How about insects, butterfly?. It might be worth packing macro lens too.
MJG - 30 Jun 2005 00:27 GMT
Mt. Rushmore area, Custer State Park, for Elk, Bighorn Sheep, Pronghorns,
Antelope, mule deer, white tail deer, coyote, buffalo, and begging "feral"
donkeys.  Try needles highway for scenic rock formations, hiking, rock
climbing, etc.  The road up Mt. Coolidge is nice at sunrise or sunset.
Sylvan Lake is picturesque.

Custer State Park borders Wind Cave National Park, the grasslands and
rolling hills above the cave system are nice if you have a high clearance
vehicle to drive the gravel roads.

-mark
ssph - 30 Jun 2005 05:07 GMT
> Mt. Rushmore area, Custer State Park, for Elk, Bighorn Sheep, Pronghorns,
> Antelope, mule deer, white tail deer, coyote, buffalo, and begging "feral"
> donkeys.  Try needles highway for scenic rock formations, hiking, rock
> climbing, etc.  The road up Mt. Coolidge is nice at sunrise or sunset.
> Sylvan Lake is picturesque.

Sounds like a great place. We will definitely visit if I have time off.

> Custer State Park borders Wind Cave National Park, the grasslands and
> rolling hills above the cave system are nice if you have a high clearance
> vehicle to drive the gravel roads.

Do you think mini-van (Odyssey) will have enough clearance?. I do have
Ford Escape, but not planning on using it for long distance travel since
it is not equipped with car entertaintment. The kids will get bored and
start making noise.
MJG - 01 Jul 2005 00:49 GMT
Probably, they are gravel, for the most part, I would avoid them if it is
raining.

> > Custer State Park borders Wind Cave National Park, the grasslands and
> > rolling hills above the cave system are nice if you have a high clearance
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> it is not equipped with car entertaintment. The kids will get bored and
> start making noise.
Angela M. Cable - 01 Jul 2005 01:24 GMT
> Probably, they are gravel, for the most part, I would avoid them if it is
> raining.

Most folks would think I'm crazy if they saw the roads I've tried in a
Neon :-) I have a two-oil-pan-scrape rule...first scrape I figure I'm
not paying close enough attention, second one I figure I'm gonna end up
high-centered and turn back. In all the years I've been tooling in the
boonies, I've only gotten stuck once (got out on my own though by
jacking up tires and stuffing sagebrush under them), and only slid off a
road once (got high centered on mud when I landed, that required calling
friends to come and push me out). I did manage to mostly rip off the air
dam from the bottom once while tooling around the
Oregon/California/Mormon Trail. Photo was worth it and the Dodge store
told me that those things usually eventually fall off anyway :-)

Around here, a graveled road, heck that's a *maintained* road, I
wouldn't think twice about it. Dirt roads are different, if it's dry,
I'll give it a go. I don't like deep ruts though, it's a PITA trying to
keep the tires up on the swales and out of the ruts. You can't keep an
eye out for critters AND watch the ruts at the same time. Also not crazy
about two tracks, too hard to get turned around if you change your mind.

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ssph - 30 Jun 2005 04:58 GMT
> Thanks. I appreciate your helps.
>
> -Sid-

Thanks everyone for the helps.
It looks like that we have to go back to drawing board. Since
so much place to visit with so little time, we have decided to
spend the whole week in Teton and Yellowstone.

Mt. Rushmore & Badlands N.P will be some time in future ....
 
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