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RS - 01 May 2005 22:29 GMT
Any tips for photographing the sea?

RS
photo35744 - 02 May 2005 03:43 GMT
Yes, keep dry.
> Any tips for photographing the sea?
>
> RS
Gregory Blank - 02 May 2005 06:00 GMT
> Any tips for photographing the sea?
>
> RS

Use a camera!!!!!  >:-D

Seriously it:

Depends on the desired effect,..... what do you want?

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RS - 02 May 2005 15:28 GMT
The photo I am looking for is a seascape such as on www.hillswick.com. (I am
not promoting this site as there is nothing on it, just a photo, takes a
moment to load)

How can I shoot this exact photo and what can make it better? What mistakes
have been made?

Thank you for your help
RS

> > Any tips for photographing the sea?
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> Depends on the desired effect,..... what do you want?
Bill Hilton - 02 May 2005 16:20 GMT
>The photo I am looking for is a seascape such as on www.hillswick.com.

>How can I shoot this exact photo and what can make it better?

I would try to shoot it in better light ... from the shadow it looks
like this was shot around mid-day when the sun is high and the light
contrasty ... I'd personally try to shoot it before sunrise or after
sunset when the light is softer, also try to shoot with early (within
an hour or two after sunrise) or late light (last hours before sunset)
if there's any color in the sky reflecting down on the water, ideally
with ripples on the water.  Typically you get this color after windy
days since the wind kicks up particles in the atmosphere which filters
out the blue rays, leaving the colors more red or pink, or shortly
after storms.

Also, maybe you cannot position yourself any other way but it bugs me
that the top of the rock is right on the horizon at the line where the
sea meets the sky ... if you can get lower (down by water's edge?) it
would be better, or if you can get higher (I doubt this is possible,
but ...) the top of the rock would be silhoutted against the water,
which I would prefer.  Ideally you could do both.

Not meant to criticize, just my suggestions ... I don't like this harsh
light and lack of color myself :)

Bill
RSD99 - 02 May 2005 17:11 GMT
All of what Bill Hilton posted, plus

(1) The example is 'back light,' look for a time of day, or time of year,
when you can get at least a little light on the front of the rock.

(2) Also try using a polarizing filter.

> >The photo I am looking for is a seascape such as on www.hillswick.com.
>
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> Bill
Roger Whitehead - 02 May 2005 19:29 GMT
> All of what Bill Hilton posted, plus
>
> (1) The example is 'back light,' look for a time of day, or time of year,
> when you can get at least a little light on the front of the rock.
>
> (2) Also try using a polarizing filter.

All of what they said, plus:

- If you're wanting a silhouette, try to avoid the flare that's affecting
the top part. A different viewpoint and /or better lens hood will help with
that.
- try a shorter focal length. The subject might look starker with more
empty sea around it. Even if not, and you want tighter framing, you can
then crop down without undue loss of resolution (within reason, of course).
- make the horizon level, using your editing software
- try different crops. There's a lot of uninteresting sky, which a
polarizer (see above) might prevent.
- play with brightness, contrast, hue, etc. There is seldom just one
satisfactory combination for any picture.

Roger
Bill Hilton - 02 May 2005 18:12 GMT
>Typically you get this (red or pink) color ... shortly after storms.

To add on to my own post, here's an image I took in Mexico a few years
ago.  A small hurricane was hitting the other side of the Sea of Cortez
near Mazatlan, we were near the tip of Baja fishing for marlin, with I
think about 150 miles of open water between us and the storm on the
mainland.  I could see the lightning at night and figured the light
might be special the next AM so I got up very early (maybe an hour
before sunrise, in the dark) and walked down the beach about a mile to
line up this single boat.  I was able to shoot nice pinkish pastels
early and then as the sun rose the sky went nuts, the reddest sky I've
seen down there on many fishing trips.  Here's a shot which shows how
red it got ... then the sun came up and it was still very good for
about 30 minutes.  I missed breakfast so I could catch the boat on time
(and my wife caught her first blue marlin that day, a 300 lb-er) but it
was worth it.  This is what I mean about trying to catch a storm, all
the moisture in the air filtered out the blues ... this is what it
REALLY looked like, no saturation boost or anything ...
http://members.aol.com/bhilton665/baja_storm.jpg

Bill
RSD99 - 03 May 2005 00:20 GMT
Nice ... !

> >Typically you get this (red or pink) color ... shortly after storms.
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> Bill
Gregory Blank - 03 May 2005 05:56 GMT
> The photo I am looking for is a seascape such as on www.hillswick.com. (I am
> not promoting this site as there is nothing on it, just a photo, takes a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thank you for your help
> RS

Is it yours? Do you actually want that as the outcome? I am kind of
unclear about that; however:

Its more or less mundane. Anyone can take that shot without much thought
just point the camera and shoot at 12:00 noon. Now a better time would
be any, maybe dawn or dusk, slow timed exposure or at sunrise or set
when there is more color.

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RS - 03 May 2005 15:19 GMT
Yes this is my photo.  I'm just not sure how to photograph before I go there
next time.

The basics seem to be:
1. Shoot at dawn or dusk
2. Height of the rocks
3. Horizontal horizon
4. Possability of using a polorizer
5. Avoid flare
6. Try more empty sea
7. Try different approaches to color

Anything other to add?

Thank you for your help
RS

> > The photo I am looking for is a seascape such as on www.hillswick.com. (I am
> > not promoting this site as there is nothing on it, just a photo, takes a
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> be any, maybe dawn or dusk, slow timed exposure or at sunrise or set
> when there is more color.
Paul Furman - 03 May 2005 16:48 GMT
> Yes this is my photo.  I'm just not sure how to photograph before I go there
> next time.
>
> The basics seem to be:
> 1. Shoot at dawn or dusk
> 2. Height of the rocks

This just means: think about the composition & placement of subject &
background.

> 3. Horizontal horizon
> 4. Possability of using a polorizer
> 5. Avoid flare
> 6. Try more empty sea

Less empty sea! Again a question of composition. Maybe use something in
the foreground to cover up vast expanses of boring water.

> 7. Try different approaches to color
>
> Anything other to add?
>
> Thank you for your help
> RS

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Roger Whitehead - 03 May 2005 17:31 GMT
> Less empty sea! Again a question of composition

Which makes it a subjective decision.

Being dogmatic isn't going to help Bill.

Roger
Paul Furman - 03 May 2005 17:59 GMT
>>Less empty sea! Again a question of composition
>
> Which makes it a subjective decision.
>
> Being dogmatic isn't going to help Bill.

Sorry, not trying to be dogmatic. I think the comment was that pic had a
large boring expanse of sea. Of course it's entirely possible to make a
nice composition with nothing but water & sky but something needs to be
done with the composition to make it interesting. The 'rule of thirds'
is a good starting point if you aren't sure what to do, move the rocks
off center at the 1/3 point & the horizon at 1/3 vertical.

The position of the rocks barely peaking over the horizon was akward.
The relationship between figure and ground is another important part of
the composition. Wait for a cloud that is similar shape to the rocks &
position them in an interesting way to create some dialogue between
figure & ground. Or, birds silhouetted on the rock & flying out over the
water to bring the rock & water together.

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Roger Whitehead - 03 May 2005 19:07 GMT
> Sorry, not trying to be dogmatic

Fair enough. RS needs to try things himself, and I think we should
encourage him to try more variations not fewer.

Roger
Roger Whitehead - 03 May 2005 19:07 GMT
> Being dogmatic isn't going to help Bill.

Oops - "RS".

Bill Hilton's clearly not in need of help.  8-)

Roger
RS - 03 May 2005 23:11 GMT
I will try this photo again shortly as I am getting a new digital camera
(Canon EOS 350D).  I hopefully should be better with that as I can shoot and
then look for my mistakes when I'm there.

Thank you for all your help
RS

> > Being dogmatic isn't going to help Bill.
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> Roger
 
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