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Photo Forum / Photo Technique / Nature Photography / February 2005ND filter follow up (sorry)
Thanks guys, I don't know why, I'm unable to answer directly under my thread. Must be mozilla ? Anyway... Ok, I didn't know for the plain ND filter keeping the same problem. So the split ND filter will be bought. I saw in one Fitzharris book that to avoid vignetting, he use duct tape to hold in place his split ND filter. Anyone would recommend that if I stacked only 2 filters?. I use a 72 mm dia lens. Anymodel of split ND filter superior to other someone can recommend? Also, i think I'll take a medium one (force 2) ND. Any advice on that too ? Thank you, you're very helpful. Michel I use the Cokin filter system - a holder frame with an adapter for your lens thread diameter, and then filters that are nearly square that slide into slots in the frame. The fame can hold 3 filters, which could be just what you are looking for. Cokin filters are pretty much universally available in every decent camera store in this area - if this is true of your area, too, then I suggest that you find a camera store and have a look at them. The system isn't especially expensive, either. You can buy different size thread adapters so you can use the same frame and filters on all your lenses - I have three adapters just for that purpose. Bob in Las Vegas > Thanks guys, I don't know why, I'm unable to answer directly under my > thread. Must be mozilla ? Anyway... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Michel > Thanks guys, I don't know why, I'm unable to answer > directly under my thread. Must be mozilla ? Anyway... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > use a 72 mm dia lens. Anymodel of split ND filter > superior to other someone can recommend? The Cokin ones are the cheapest, but not everyone (me included) feels that they're totally neutral in colour - I think there's a slight magenta tint. Of course, not everyone minds that. HiTech are also fairly cheap, and I think are better than the Cokin ND grad.s. Singh Ray and Lee are the best. No doubt. But, of course, they are alos the most expensive. > Also, i think > I'll take a medium one (force 2) ND. Any > advice on that too ? I probably use a 2 stop more than a one or a three, but I'd like to get myself a 1 1/2 stop, as that would be very handy too. In the mountains a 2 or a 3 would probably be most useful. Remember that you can stack them, so a one and a two could be stacked to give you a three, in need. Peter > Also, i think I'll take a medium one (force 2) > ND. Any advice on that too ? I bought the HiTech 1, 2 and 3 stop hard & soft split ND filter sets and a Cokin filter holder system last year. In my experience a tripod is essential when using split ND's, especially with 3 stop and hard split filters since careful aligning is crucial for good results. I agree that a lot of practice is required before one can expect to master the use of split filters - I'm not even close yet. :/  SignatureOla > Thanks guys, I don't know why, I'm unable to answer directly under my > thread. Must be mozilla ? Anyway... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Michel REPOST FROM: "Newbie ask using ND filter with polarizer" "michel" <medgarevers@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bb334b60.0501311802.52d2d27d@posting.google.com... > Sorry again, I have to create a new thread with the same subject, I > put the same subject so I hope it will go under the same title [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks everybody ! I wouldn't try to use a split ND without a tripod. You want to align the split on the ND with the transition from light to dark in the scene very carefully (even if you use a soft split ND) if you want your photo to look as natural as possible. I can't imagine being able to carefully compose, slide ND up/down and press DOF preview button all at the same time! A tripod also has the added advantage of allowing you time to compose your photos more carefully. No accessory has the ability to improve your photography more than a tripod. Price versus value I would recommend HiTech ND. If money is no object then I would buy glass ND such as from Tiffen or (I think?) Lee. ND how to article http://www.photofocus.com/zine2/zine9.htm HiTech dist. http://www.visualdepartures.com/mainfram.html ND filters and P holders at B&H Photo (I recommend you buy here or at Adorama) http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search&Q=&a=387_3277&shs=&ci=4 032&ac=&Submit.x=14&Submit.y=8 Good luck, me >Thanks guys, I don't know why, I'm unable to answer directly under my >thread. Must be mozilla ? Anyway... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Michel Hi..don't know if you read my previous on your previous (lol) anyway... For my two and a half cents i found the cokin holder a pain in the butt and i was happy with my "hand held" results. If you want to "stack" them, then i suppose the holder is a good idea. Also, if you want to get a little creative with multiples ...or reverse orientations, then it's useful. Cokin says you can stack them; probably so..and you can add them up. I suppose that this means you can throw a couple mediums together to give you more stops in the desired frame portion. But if your not going to use a tripod...heh heheh..why get too technical. The yellow graduated one seems pretty cool. I must say though, other than "exposure"..eg light/dark, i've found the color effects can mostly all be duplicated in photo shop with overlay layers and gradients..but that's in the digital domain. So are you going to lock the exposure in first..then use the nd? or are you going to let any and all sensors and meters adjust for it? ; ) Btw..no duct tape. Makes a mess. Gaffer tape. Tripod and tether would be great. Good pan head. That's the way to go for landscapes. Lock the mirror up if you can (so i'm told). You must have really good IS for no tripod with your telephoto. Wide angle lens..very nice. You know they make reducer rings.....I digress. rgds with envy Ken Again Hi Ken, don't be effraid, I read all the replys I received, so nobody is writing for nothing. I am slowly accepting the idea of bringing a light tripod thanks to all the good info I got here but also because I had the chance to finally try the filter outside of the store last saturday and I saw automaticaly how difficult it was to manage without a tripod when I try to align "carefully" the filter. o, I really like my warming polariser and I want to keep it. since it has no thread, I can not use the filter holder with it. The coki polarizer are very expensve and in resin, plus there is vignetting at 24 mm, so the holder seems a no no to me. So either I'll leave without a tripod and ND or I'll buy those and I'll take them with me. I'll check how heavy the bag is and also how many days I'll be alone with no jeep crew or other tourists rushibng me. so far, I thik it will work it, it's just that I'm a little unwilling to say farewell to the "mobile tourist" that I was and becoming more a "photog". The tripod represent that "passage" to me. For the fact that I don't have too much time to practice, well, it's a detil, I'll take my pic as usual and the same with ND and tripod, so it will be a learning with exciting site. and if my ND pic are soso, well I'll still be happy with my others ones. Ken, I think you're asking me if I have good imange stavbilisation (IS) for my big lens ? I use a Kirk shoulder stock (very light and effective for wildlife). aLso, what is tether and reducing ring ? Just one more question, do I need tape with the ND filter or I can only use hand held method with a tripod ? Thanks to Me, Roger and all others by the way. I read you. > >Thanks guys, I don't know why, I'm unable to answer directly under my > >thread. Must be mozilla ? Anyway... [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Ken Again hey... i recently went to florida a brought a cheap aluminum $25 tripod (no pan head obviously. It fit in my suitcase and was very light. I can get better balance with it in creek beds on rocks..but it wont take much to flatten it. On the other hand..the monopole is more sturdy and i like carrying it more..cause it's more like a stick or club and collapses down. It's easy to screw into the cam quickly sometimes i leave it on collapsed. It's not as stable as a tripod and frankly..i don't have alot of use for it....no swivel head...at that point i'd just as soon stick the camera on a rock. But alot of people swear by them and maybe i'm just not good with one. An extra tripod is always useful. You can stick a light on it or a second camera. As far as the ND goes...I personally don't think you need the holder. It is more technically correct to use one of the holder types...there is one that goes under the camera and doesn't attach to the lens. That said - Just hold it up flat against the lens ring by it's corner and shoot when you have it where you want it. It works and it's fast. Watch out how you carry them though..cause they scratch easy(resin which i think is the new word for plastic). If your going to only get one ND...i would suggest a fairly dark one. I say this because, since it is graduated, by moving it you can get it darker or lighter, so it makes more sense i think, to have the darker. You have more range then. Also, you can turn them any which-way, perhaps to contrast a corner; or the lower section of the frame. I wonder what an acrylic paint would look like smeared on part of it? I usually have my exposure locked in before i position it. You can position it and then run your metrics. You will get two different results. A tether meaning a hand held shutter release. Ultimately it's nice to try and use a tripod, lock the mirror up, and then expose with the hand held so as to really avoid any jiggle to the camera. Use the timer for now. Regarding a polarizer, would you use your warming filter with it? I don't, hmmm....anyway, you will really want a polarizer. It's not just for the sky but also water and color depth..etc. Oh yeah, a reducer is a ring that adapts a larger filter to a smaller lens size. No tape. Not yet anyway. Maybe someday, but definately not duct tape. I'm trying to keep this simple, for my sake ; ). rgds Ken Ah Ken, thank you for the explanation about the tether, I have one (I had a very cheap tripod that I used for fireworks, the moon and the stars but it broke and I just get rid of it a few weeks ago). Same thing for reducer ring, I just didn't know these words in English and the dictionnary was so far (3 feets on my right lol!) I think I would prefer a monopod but since I already have a shoulder stock, I'll go anyway for a tripod, more stable anyway and for holding the filter and using tether without my tongue à la Fitzharris, there's like no choice... ;-) You wrote : "there is one that goes under the camera and doesn't attach to the lens" Do you have a link for that or the name of that stuff so can look about it 6 I'll get the G2 from Cokin, that's the only brand I can get in Ottawa (and in Canada also from what I've seen, so for the moment it's gonna do the job. How do you carry your resin filter ? I was thinking maybe putting one or two Q-tips too immobilize it in its box (one over and one under the filter), so it would move less and this way producing less scratching? Yeah, I'm trying to keep that simple and basic also. Mobility, lightness and rapidity are important to me. Thanks ! > hey... > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Ken >"there is one that goes under the camera and doesn't attach to the >lens" > >Do you have a link for that or the name of that stuff so can look >about it 6 sorry, nope..search around on the net, you'll find them. I didn't keep the links. >I'll get the G2 from Cokin, that's the only brand I can get in Ottawa >(and in Canada also from what I've seen, so for the moment it's gonna >do the job. How do you carry your resin filter ? I was thinking maybe >putting one or two Q-tips too immobilize it in its box (one over and >one under the filter), so it would move less and this way producing >less scratching? it's ok in the closed box.. it's when you leave the box open and carry it around and the plastic rubs on the edge of the edge of the bottom. I had mine in a fanny pack and the top off and climbing around it got pushed around. If it were closed it would have been no problem. That's all..it's fine in the closed case. Save the q'tips for your ears @"> Ken Save the q'tips for your ears @"> Yes, 2 Q tips less, it's gonna be lighter ;-) Thanks ! > >"there is one that goes under the camera and doesn't attach to the > >lens" [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Ken |
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