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Ben Micklem - 17 Jan 2005 13:09 GMT
I visited the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition at the Natural
History Museum in London, UK yesterday. The competition received 18,500
entries and is one of the most prestigious in the world.

I was quite intrigued by the rise of winning digital photos. Last year there
was only one (that I can remember) taken on a D1x.

This year there were quite a few (more than a dozen), including the winning
shot, taken with a D60 in an underwater enclosure. But I was most surprised
to see a D1 shot (2.7 Megapixels?) amongst the winners.

http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/wildwin/2004/ad_picnumb.dsml?&picnumb=22

It is as if people have begun to accept lower pixel count photographs as
being good enough for them, even as pixel counts in new cameras continue to
rise. The D1 only becomes acceptable once the digital concept has proved
itself, some five years after the camera's release.

From comparing the 20" back-lit transparent prints, I could seen more
digital artefacts (pixellation, jpeg-like edge problems) in on of the D60
shots of a shark, than on the D1 shot. Although the snow falling reduces the
contrast of the image and makes the comparison hard, the tips of the eagle
in flight's feathers were definitely sharper. I think maybe the legend is
incorrect, and it was a D1x, or the processing of the two images was very
different.

What are people's thoughts? Will nature photography become available to more
people with the coming of compact cameras that can handle telephoto and
macro photography without the need for very expensive lenses and
accessories? (e.g. Panasonic's optically stabilised constant f2.8 36-432mm
(35mm equiv. field of view) 5MP camera)

The consumer digital SLRs I have tried (D70, 20D, D1x) have smaller images
in the their viewfinders than their film counterparts- they tell you much
less about critical focus, and composing is hard because of all the
autofocus sensor markings. Will the electronic viewfinders eventually become
standard?

Most interestingly, will the ever increasing number of pixels slow and stop?
I can't see the need for more than 20MP for most people's work. I can see
more for sensitivity up to very high ISOs without any visible noise. This
would allow nature photographers to use faster shutter speeds and hand-hold
long and slow telephoto lenses.

Ben

PS: If anyone has the book of this year's competition, there is a confusion
between the identity of a skeleton in one of the photos. The mistaken
version appears on the website too:
http://internt.nhm.ac.uk/jdsml/wildwin/2004/ad_picnumb.dsml?&picnumb=06
It is entitled 'emu skeleton,' but the skull has very obvious molars! The
exhibition has the image entitled "Great grey kangaroo skeleton".
me - 17 Jan 2005 14:17 GMT
> I visited the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition at the Natural
> History Museum in London, UK yesterday. The competition received 18,500
> entries and is one of the most prestigious in the world.

Not in the US.

> I was quite intrigued by the rise of winning digital photos. Last year there
> was only one (that I can remember) taken on a D1x.

So?

> This year there were quite a few (more than a dozen), including the winning
> shot, taken with a D60 in an underwater enclosure. But I was most surprised
> to see a D1 shot (2.7 Megapixels?) amongst the winners.
>
> http://

So what, everyone makes mistakes.

> It is as if people have begun to accept lower pixel count photographs as
> being good enough for them, even as pixel counts in new cameras continue to
> rise. The D1 only becomes acceptable once the digital concept has proved
> itself, some five years after the camera's release.

Not proven, just ignorance.

> From comparing the 20" back-lit transparent prints, I could seen more
> digital artefacts (pixellation, jpeg-like edge problems) in on of the D60
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> incorrect, and it was a D1x, or the processing of the two images was very
> different.

So what?

> What are people's thoughts? Will nature photography become available to more
> people with the coming of compact cameras that can handle telephoto and
> macro photography without the need for very expensive lenses and
> accessories? (e.g. Panasonic's optically stabilised constant f2.8 36-432mm
> (35mm equiv. field of view) 5MP camera)

Yes, cheap lenses will eventually be superior. What's wrong with this
picture? (dual meaning)

> The consumer digital SLRs I have tried (D70, 20D, D1x) have smaller images
> in the their viewfinders than their film counterparts- they tell you much
> less about critical focus, and composing is hard because of all the
> autofocus sensor markings. Will the electronic viewfinders eventually become
> standard?

Won't help. The people who buy those things won't know the difference.

> Most interestingly, will the ever increasing number of pixels slow and stop?
> I can't see the need for more than 20MP for most people's work. I can see
> more for sensitivity up to very high ISOs without any visible noise. This
> would allow nature photographers to use faster shutter speeds and hand-hold
> long and slow telephoto lenses.

Question is, can you (or they) see at all. Need glasses?

> Ben

You're confused Ben, seek help.

> PS: If anyone has the book of this year's competition, there is a confusion
> between the identity of a skeleton in one of the photos. The mistaken
> version appears on the website too:
> http://

Who cares? Is this spam too? Go away TROLL!
Ben Micklem - 17 Jan 2005 16:27 GMT
>> I visited the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition at the Natural
>> History Museum in London, UK yesterday. The competition received 18,500
>> entries and is one of the most prestigious in the world.
>
> Not in the US.

Last time I looked, the US was in the world.
http://www.outdoorphotographer.com/content/2005/janfeb/best.html
me - 17 Jan 2005 16:56 GMT
> >> I visited the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition at the Natural
> >> History Museum in London, UK yesterday. The competition received 18,500
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Last time I looked, the US was in the world.

Point taken. Just lay off the hype about pixels and we'll have no further
problems.

> http://www.outdoorphotographer.com/content/2005/janfeb/best.html

The US has prestigious photography contests too.

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me
Bandicoot - 18 Jan 2005 08:54 GMT
[SNIP]

> Point taken. Just lay off the hype about pixels and we'll have no further
> problems.

What hype?  He wasn't hyping digital, simply asking some questions, being
surprised to see low pixel count digital images there at all, noting that
they weren't as good as the film images, speculating about the future.  That
wasn't hype, nor was it a troll.

Peter
me - 18 Jan 2005 15:39 GMT
> [SNIP]
> >
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Peter

I'm not interested in pixels. I'm not interested in the question of whether
or not people will embrace lower quality photos, they already have. I don't
care whether or not "The D1 only becomes acceptable once the digital concept
has proved
itself, some five years after the camera's release". I don't care about
"digital artifacts, pixellation, jpeg-like edge problems". I don't care if
people embrace compact cameras with cheap lenses, they already have. And
finally I don't care if as the OP asked: "Most interestingly, will the ever
increasing number of pixels slow and stop?". I didn't find anything the OP
had to say about the above to be of any interest or value at all. Obviously
you and I have a different interpretation of the definition of hype. If hype
is the wrong word then amend hype to any word that you interpret to mean
'irrelevant'. I don't wish to argue with you but you did ask why I said the
OP was hype and a troll and now I have answered your question. I assume you
disagree so I will say no more. I find your posts of value so lets be
friends OK?.
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Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 19 Jan 2005 02:51 GMT
>>[SNIP]
>>
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> Sign,
> me

I also did not think the OP was trolling.
It is interesting to me that major photo contests are accepting
digital.  Some contests still do not.  There are still gray
areas to be addressed too, like contrast stretching,
saturation enhancement, dodging and burning: are these
digital manipulations?  I personally do not think the OP deserved
that extreme criticism he got on this thread.

Roger
me - 19 Jan 2005 19:26 GMT
> >>[SNIP]
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> Roger

Film versus DI is a lightning rod issue that has been used many times before
as a troll. If this wasn't a troll it skated to closely for my comfort. I
see you post primarily in rec.photo.digital so YMMV and it obviously does.
Lets be friends anyway OK?
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Joseph Meehan - 17 Jan 2005 14:26 GMT
> I visited the Wildlife Photographer of the Year exhibition at the
> Natural History Museum in London, UK yesterday. The competition
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> winning shot, taken with a D60 in an underwater enclosure. But I was
> most surprised to see a D1 shot (2.7 Megapixels?) amongst the winners.

   It seems you are more concerned with the tools than the art of
photography.  I would much rather see a great photo at 20 MP or from a
disposable camera, than a technically perfect boring photo without heart.

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26 + 6 = 1  It's Irish Math

me - 17 Jan 2005 16:48 GMT
<troll about pixels deleted>

> It seems you are more concerned with the tools than the art of
> photography.

I'm concerned with tools? I didn't post a thread titled "Enough pixels?".

> I would much rather see a great photo at 20 MP or from a
> disposable camera, than a technically perfect boring photo without heart.

I prefer film, photography without heart is boring, I won't argue against
the point.

IMO the OP invited flames by emphasizing the significance of the number of
pixels. We disagree OK. No hard feelings.

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me
Joseph Meehan - 17 Jan 2005 19:34 GMT
> <troll about pixels deleted>
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I'm concerned with tools? I didn't post a thread titled "Enough
> pixels?".

me,

   Please check out my message again.  I responded and addressed Ben, not
you.  It may have appeared that way in your newsreader however.

>> I would much rather see a great photo at 20 MP or from a
>> disposable camera, than a technically perfect boring photo without
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Sign,
> me

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26 + 6 = 1  It's Irish Math

me - 17 Jan 2005 20:55 GMT
> > <troll about pixels deleted>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > Sign,
> > me

ERROR! ERROR! I missed the attribution at the top of that post. Please
forgive me!
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