I am wondering how useful and important camouflage clothing when
photographing wildlife? I am principally trying to sneak up on water birds
and deer. (see
http://www.horsenhounds.com/photography/DoverWildlife/default.htm#dreadful_photo
for dreadful photo of great subjects! 420mm (35 equiv) lens at about 500m)
I presume it is useful to break up my shape and any patter is probably
better than none. Any suggestions or comments.
Cheers,
Richard
Scott Elliot - 21 Aug 2003 04:57 GMT
In my experience, deer are much more sensitive to motion than to pattern or
colour of clothes. By only moving one step at a time when a deer's head was
down grazing and freezing when it looked up I have stalked to with 2 or 3
meters of a deer in an open field. That was just wearing neutral coloured
clothes, no special camouflage.
Sooner or later the deer will either look up as you move or a swirl of wind
will give it your scent. The reaction is instant with scent, almost like
the deer got punched in the nose. With motion they may take a fraction of a
second for a second look.
Waterfowl generally will spook if you try to stalk them. It is usually more
productive to use some kind of hide and wait for them to come to you.
Occasionally I have had some luck by being quite open about approaching
them. Don't look directly at them, especially when moving and only move one
or two slow steps at a time. If they can see what you are doing and you
don't look like you are watching them or trying to sneak up they will
sometimes let you get close enough for a good picture.

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> I am wondering how useful and important camouflage clothing when
> photographing wildlife? I am principally trying to sneak up on water birds
> and deer. (see
http://www.horsenhounds.com/photography/DoverWildlife/default.htm#dreadful_photo
> for dreadful photo of great subjects! 420mm (35 equiv) lens at about 500m)
>
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> Richard
PSsquare - 21 Aug 2003 16:50 GMT
First, you are hunting, maybe not for meat but still hunting. Same skill
set.
Ask yourself how many duck hunters would go out without camo and expect to
be successful. Not many, if any.
Also ask how many of them would try to sneak or stalk waterfowl versus wait
in a blind. Not quite 100%, but they expect more failures.
That should be enough of an answer.
Regards,
PSsquare
> I am wondering how useful and important camouflage clothing when
> photographing wildlife? I am principally trying to sneak up on water birds
> and deer. (see
http://www.horsenhounds.com/photography/DoverWildlife/default.htm#dreadful_p
hoto
> for dreadful photo of great subjects! 420mm (35 equiv) lens at about 500m)
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> Richard
ralford - 24 Aug 2003 12:55 GMT
thanks for all the replies. I haven't lived this long, btw, by wandering
through a redneck filled wood during hunting season w/o precautions -
actually they have a poaching season also. Now that I think of it they also
use the roadways...
A reasonable set of suggestions: use a blind for birds and probably for
wildlife also and camo helps. most of the creatures around here could be
hunted with a baseball bat, but the bucks are more cautious and for good
reason.
cheers,
rma
> First, you are hunting, maybe not for meat but still hunting. Same skill
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Steve Dilkes - 25 Aug 2003 01:19 GMT
One final thought... This has appeared in a few photography books and is
so
true: if you want to consistently photograph wildlife (especially deer)
you must
go to a place where they are not hunted. I have tried over many years in
an area
which sees heavy deer hunting in the fall and at best get scattered
results
regardless of the season. The deer equate people with danger and do not
stay
very long. Even those few photos before they bolt with their tail in the
air are
of an alarmed animal.
Lately I have been photographing deer in parks where there is no hunting
season
other than the odd culling every few years, no predators, shelter,
plenty of
food including some supplied by the park in the winter, and a steady
stream of
people all year to get the animals accustomed. Results? More than once I
have
had deer bed down right in front of me and others more curious of me
than I of
them to the extent that they approached me.
True, this is not as exiting as getting close to deer which fear people
but the
photos can be so much better. A relaxed animal acting as it would
without
concern over that person pointing his camera towards it can make for
better
photos both in terms of quality and quantity.
Steve
> thanks for all the replies. I haven't lived this long, btw, by wandering
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Ektarkid - 22 Aug 2003 22:22 GMT
While you're at it,make sure you wash the camo with the special soap(sold in
sporting goods dept of K-Mart and Walmart) that does not contain UV
brightening agents like Tide or Cheer or whatever. It's been proven that
deer see well into the UV end of the spectrum,and that clothing washed in
Tide,etc shows up like crazy to them.
> I am wondering how useful and important camouflage clothing when
> photographing wildlife? I am principally trying to sneak up on water birds
> and deer. (see
http://www.horsenhounds.com/photography/DoverWildlife/default.htm#dreadful_p
hoto
> for dreadful photo of great subjects! 420mm (35 equiv) lens at about 500m)
>
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> Richard
PSsquare - 23 Aug 2003 15:44 GMT
> While you're at it,make sure you wash the camo with the special soap(sold in
> sporting goods dept of K-Mart and Walmart) that does not contain UV
> brightening agents like Tide or Cheer or whatever. It's been proven that
> deer see well into the UV end of the spectrum,and that clothing washed in
> Tide,etc shows up like crazy to them.
I am both a deer hunter and a nature photographer. Let's not get into a
discussion of whether you approve of hunting or not. This gives me about 33
years of experience in gettting very close to deer. It is not an easy task
at any time unless the deer have been habituated in some preserve or park.
Your comment is correct about UV. From my deer hunting experience, it is
a factor when you are within 30 meters (bow range). The UV free product is
primarily used around here by bowhunters who typically get within 20 meters
for a shot. It works. On the other hand, I have shot a lot of deer with a
shotgun at 35 to 90 meters and don't see any indication that UV is a factor.
I haven't used it since I retired from bowhunting. There are other bigger
issues for approaching deer.
Deer have an inner threat zone around 30 meters within which they can even
hear you breathing. It appears to me that beyond the inner zone, it
follows that noise, movement and scent are the biggest concern. Deer can
locate every spot that you set your boots unless they were freshly scrubbed
rubber.
For most cameras, the shutter sound will be enough to send them off in a
wild dash. Canons are the quietest in that regard.
Regarding scent, deer will certainly detect any fragrances used in laundry
products, shaving lotions, deodorants or such. Scent is also a concern
outside the inner threat zone. They may be uncertain about whether a motion
is a threat but will NEVER question the slightest whiff of unnatural or
human scent. Cover scents just do not consistently work. Unlike humans,
deer can differentiate may odors simultaneously. (Sort of like a teenager
listening to music while studying.) I have used skunk scent and even that is
often useless in that it draws attention. The best scent is no scent. This
includes any scent carried on your shoes. I never fuel my car with the
shoes that I will wear in the deer woods.
If this sounds like a bit of fanaticism, then that is what is required to
get very close. It is also why so many inexperienced people spent many days
in the woods and never see a single deer. Deer are not a poor, ignorant
animal wandering around in the woods, that is more applicable to humans.
PSsquare
Henry Bibb - 23 Aug 2003 17:34 GMT
I'm going to appeal to the hunters to address this further,
but I wouldn't go wandering around in the woods, dressed
in camoflage, without some very visible blaze-orange during
hunting season. Which implies it's a good idea to find out
*when* hunting season is, so you know when to don the
blaze orange. Better to miss a deer than have somebody
mistake you *for* one.
Henry Bibb
PSsquare - 23 Aug 2003 22:34 GMT
RE: Hunter orange and hunting season.
I suggest that photographers stay out of the woods in gun hunting season.
The deer are going to be pretty spooked and unusually difficult to
photograph. During bow season the deer will be much less disturbed.
Deer are a very nervous, high strung animal. They are not going to be
acting naturally when actively shot at.
On public lands during gun season there can be a lot of activity and some
real idiots. This is especially true on public lands near large urban
areas. Safety orange is wise, but you will likely be wasting your time
anyhow with so much activity. Even the deer that take refuge on small
preserves during gun season are spooky. On private land you should be able
to know how many people and where they are. Somewhat better, especially in
bow season. Personally, I only hunt on private land and know exactly who is
where. I would NEVER go on public hunting lands during big game season. I
would quit hunting first.
While deer do not see color, the blaze orange is seen as a bright area. So
many of the blaze garments have huge areas of solid orange and you might as
well be wearing a white coat. That is how the deer see it, especially if
you move. There are a few blaze orange camo garments, and they are much
better.
But to me it is not so much a safety issue, but rather a poor time to expect
to get close to a deer. The ideal place to me would be a large state or
federal park/preserve that allowed only bow hunting. I would especially
try to use my car as a blind. Some of the waterfowl refuges come to mind.
Hope this helps.
PSsquare
stan - 24 Aug 2003 00:08 GMT
> I'm going to appeal to the hunters to address this further,
> but I wouldn't go wandering around in the woods, dressed
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> Henry Bibb
I stay out of the woods during hunting season. I no longer hunt and I
don't need to be shot at. I have a medium sized dog. Several years ago i
rented a cabin on a private lake during deer season. Hunting is not
allowed on the property, but I wore blaze the entire time I was out. The
owner of the property wouldn't let me put my dog out without a blaze
vest as well! I thought he was joking, but sure enough the local sports
shop had them in small, medium and large. I will never do it again. In
the
same county, a man was found dead, shot presumably by a stray
bullet...or not. It isn't uncommon to hear the story of the accidental
death during deer season. Plus as PSquare pointed out , a deer with a
terrified expression isn't reallt photogenic.
Stan
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