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Photo's Of Lightning
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Sioux - 18 Jul 2006 08:28 GMT I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak EasyShare Z730 if that will help.
Ken Hart - 18 Jul 2006 16:24 GMT >I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one > thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak > EasyShare Z730 if that will help. First, be advised that being outside during a lightning storm can be fairly dangerous. Try to avoid being the tallest object around, or being near the tallest object.
That said, the easiest way to photograph lightning is probably to go somewhere where there is little if any light from streetlights, cars, etc. Put the camera on a tripod, open the shutter, and wait for a lightning hit.
Getting one of those spectacular lightning photos like you see in National Geographic or the photo books requires a lot of patience and a bit of luck!
Ken Hart
J. Clarke - 19 Jul 2006 00:49 GMT > I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one > thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak > EasyShare Z730 if that will help. There seem to be two major techniques used--long exposures at night or a lightning trigger in daylight.
You might find <http://www.uscoles.com/howtolightn.htm> to be of interest.
There is a commercial lightning trigger available from <http://www.lightningtrigger.com/> and information on making one at <http://www.solorb.com/elect/lightning/>.
Not sure if there is any way to use a lightning trigger with your camera other than by cobbling up a solenoid-actuated release that pushes the button. According to the specs I could find it has a 64-second time exposure capability so night shots would I think be your best bet.
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Greg Campbell - 19 Jul 2006 01:31 GMT > I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one > thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak > EasyShare Z730 if that will help. The camera has a 64 sec max exposure - good enough!
Here's a recent discussion, with links and whatnot... http://www.stormtrack.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=6689
Sometimes you get lucky and "something wonderful" happens. http://www.shutterpoint.com/Photos-ViewPhoto.cfm?id=299989
Here are some very nice pics that were entered in a contest: http://www.stormchasers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=507 http://www.stormchasers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=508 http://www.stormchasers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=509 http://www.stormchasers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=510 http://www.stormchasers.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=511
Or, to blow my own horn (Sry!) http://members.cox.net/geonerd/images/Midnight_Thunderstorm_x966.jpg
Feel free to sign on with Stormchasers.org or Stormtrack.org Another good source of info at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lightning/
-Greg
Jimbo - 19 Jul 2006 16:01 GMT > I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one > thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak > EasyShare Z730 if that will help. Cars offer good protection with their rubber tires - as do porches - do you have a buddy with a pickup and a cap? Otherwise, set up a tripod in the car and obviously use a cable release - 2 methods:
1. put your camera on "bulb" - the last setting on your manual setting - have something to cover the lens - I've used black construction paper glues to a popcycle stick - so keep the lens covered, open the shutter - and wait for a blast - need to react quick and remove the lens blocker as soon as you see a blast
2. do most of the above but don't block the lens - open the shutter and wait - note that the longer you leave the film exposed, the greater the chance of blled/overexposure from distant lights
that's it - it's a waiting game
Norm - 20 Jul 2006 15:32 GMT Since this topic is one of potentially life-threatening consequences, I'd like to correct a popular misconception. The protection afforded by being in a car has little or nothing to do with rubber tires. The mass of the metal frame of the auto conducts the electrical charge to and from ground, by-passing the occupant. This often (maybe always?) blows the rubber tires. Sitting in the bed of a pickup might very well be inviting a" hair-raising" and fatal experience.
What are my qualifications for giving this advice? A few years ago I interviewed three noted experts on lightning photography and lightning, one of whom was a professor at the University of Arizona and Warren Faidley famed "Storm Chaser". The article was published in Shutterbug's Outdoor and Nature Photography.
I'd suggest anyone interested in lightnig photography run a quick Google on-- "Lightning photography" safety--quotes included. One such site is "http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/letter_to_editor.html
A further caution about what may be found on the www--always consider the qualifications of the source if information found there.
Good luck and be safe.
Norm Smith
Jimbo - 20 Jul 2006 15:43 GMT > I'd suggest anyone interested in lightnig photography run a quick Google > on-- "Lightning photography" safety--quotes included. you mean like this:
"Rubber-soled shoes and rubber tires provide NO protection from lightning. However, the steel frame of a hard-topped vehicle provides increased protection if you are not touching metal. Although you may be injured if lightning strikes your car, you are much safer inside a vehicle than outside."
"A car, with its windows up, can protect you from lightning because the lightning will follow the metal of the car to the ground. If the windows are down, the lightning could jump into the car. A car's tires do not insulate it from the ground as you sometimes hear. A lightning bolt that's jumped through a couple of thousand feet of air - which is a good insulator - isn't going to be slowed by a quarter inch of rubber in a tire."
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_pls/vehicle_strike.html http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/outdoors.htm
see the NOAA above?
Norm - 20 Jul 2006 16:23 GMT > you mean like this: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > see the NOAA above? Yes, cars are safer but it is not because of rubber tires as you seemed to imply when you said something about cars with their rubber tires. Sorry if I misunderstood your message.
Jimbo - 20 Jul 2006 16:48 GMT > Yes, cars are safer but it is not because of rubber tires as you seemed to > imply when you said something about cars with their rubber tires. Sorry if I > misunderstood your message. so I got the tires thing wrong - whatever
Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) - 22 Jul 2006 04:08 GMT > Yes, cars are safer but it is not because of rubber tires as you seemed to
> imply when you said something about cars with their rubber tires. Sorry if I > misunderstood your message. The technical explanation is the car acts like a Faraday cage. If the car is a conductor, the electricity flows around the metal exterior of the car, helping to keep you safe. Key is to not be touching the outside, and bigger key: metal exterior. Those plastic body cars do not qualify as a Faraday cage, but maybe might provide some protection.
Roger
Norm - 22 Jul 2006 16:27 GMT Greg Campbell - 21 Jul 2006 02:34 GMT > Since this topic is one of potentially life-threatening consequences, I'd > like to correct a popular misconception. > ...
> Good luck and be safe.
> Norm Smith Another point: The best vantage point is often some distance from the storm. When you're in the main rain shaft, where most of the cloud-to-ground lightning hits, your photographic options are limited. (Although you may well get an awesome pic of the tree next door being fried, the next bolt may fry YOU.) For better pictures, and a longer projected lifetime, try to stay several miles away and photograph the storm as it hovers over the scenery.
(Even then you're still not safe. Lightning can and will travel dozens of miles across country to strike from a blue sky. Still, getting out of the immediate area will vastly reduce the probability of being hit.)
-Greg
Norm - 21 Jul 2006 03:02 GMT Greg,
In Tucson we have frequent thunderstorms and we are frequently reminded that if you can hear thunder there is a chance of lightning striking near you. Most people don't pay much attention to that warning but you're right--lightning can strike from a blue sky. I suppose that is the source of the saying, "from out of the blue" or "a bolt from the blue"
A professor of Atmospheric Science from the U. of Arizona said a good rule of thumb is that if the front of the storm is more than 45 degrees above the horizon it is wise to seek shelter.
Back to the original request for how-to information---it's a good idea to have extra batteries for your camera if it has an electronic shutter. The long exposures eat up batteries pretty fast.
Norm
Greg Campbell - 21 Jul 2006 05:23 GMT > Greg, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Norm You're in Tucson too? Cool! I've been chasing along Hwy 83 for the last few weeks. One of this year's goals is (twilight) lighting over the Mustang range, east of Sonoita. There are several excellent vantage points in the La Cienegas reserve. Even if the lightning is a bust, the stormcloud sunsets are well worth the 30 minute drive. Gorgeous scenery. Damn, I love the 'monsoon' season!
I've had one too-close call. While standing outside my house watching a moderately distant storm, I turned to speak to the neighbor... FLASHBOOM!!! When there is NO delay between the light and sound (close lightning sometimes has a curious 'pop' component), you know you're doing something dumb... I never determined where that bolt hit; I think it plowed into an open area a few hundred yards away.
If you can hear the 'crack' of the lightning, just be thankful you are still standing! http://wx5tvs.com/chasephotos/2005/2005pics/2005pics/2005.07.01/20050701.zapped. in.muleshoe.tx.wmv
Which UA professor? Does he have an on-line site?
FWIW, I'm still shooting that ancient 'film' stuff, using manual focus cameras to boot. My A1 eats batteries quite quickly, but my T-90 (like many newer cameras) uses a permanent magnet to hold the shutter open, cutting long exposure power draw significantly. If shopping for a lightning/night time camera, it's a worthy feature to seek.
-Greg
J. Clarke - 21 Jul 2006 14:09 GMT >> Greg, >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > If you can hear the 'crack' of the lightning, just be thankful you are > still standing! FWIW, when I was in college my advisor told me about his weekend golf outing--he and another professor, a retired Marine general, were out playing golf when it started to rain. The decided that by the time the got off the course they'd be soaked anyway so they may as well finish the game. About that time lightning blew a big tree down the course a bit to flinders and they decided that maybe standing around out in the open swinging lightning rods around was not an optimal survival strategy.
http://wx5tvs.com/chasephotos/2005/2005pics/2005pics/2005.07.01/20050701.zapped. in.muleshoe.tx.wmv
> Which UA professor? Does he have an on-line site? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -Greg
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Bandicoot - 11 Aug 2006 03:15 GMT > Since this topic is one of potentially life-threatening consequences, I'd > like to correct a popular misconception. The protection afforded by being > in a car has little or nothing to do with rubber tires. The mass of the metal
> frame of the auto conducts the electrical charge to and from ground, > by-passing the occupant. This often (maybe always?) blows the rubber > tires. The car acts as a Faraday cage. I've been in a car struck by lightning and the tires were fine (as were my dad and me). The radio never worked again though.
Peter
Al Denelsbeck - 21 Jul 2006 08:41 GMT "Sioux" <101brat@comcast.net> wrote in news:1153207725.803629.29400@ 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one > thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak > EasyShare Z730 if that will help. Plenty of good advice from the others, so I'll throw in my 2 pfennigs...
With your Kodak, you're a little limited in your options - you can't simply lock the shutter open and wait, and you can't use the electronic release options like lightning detectors. So that means increasing your odds.
You'll pretty much want to shoot at night, or at least late dusk, so you can leave the shutter open as long as possible and not blow the image out pure white. Set the ISO as low as it goes, which will allow for longer shutter times and finer detail, less chance of the dark areas going completely grainy/noisy.
Aperture doesn't matter too much for lightning, as long as you're focused at infinity, but if there's still light in the sky using a smaller aperture will give you better options.
Someting I've found over the years, is that lightning actually follows a loose pattern of timing. Count off between good strokes, figure the timing, and open your shutter about five seconds before the next one is "due". Not completely accurate, but it will increase your chances of getting a decent strike. My experience has been that bright strokes and small or inter-cloud ones have a faint tendency to alternate.
Vantage point in key. Flat areas work best, since you can see the storm advancing a long ways off, but shooting from a hill or at the head of a valley can help. Bear in mind the decrease in safety that altitude brings, and that strokes can occur well in advance of the apparent front. Also be aware that a significant warning sign is feeling the hairs on your neck stand up. If that occurs, you are in immediate and serious danger, and throw yourself to the ground, in a ditch, down the hill, whatever, as fast as you can.
Once the rain starts, your chances of getting anything just about vanish - the haze that surrounds you will obscure the lightning. In some conditions, you can shoot the receding storm as well, which is a lot safer.
Wider angles (shorter focal lengths) increase the chances of catching nice strokes, but also minimize them in the frame - it's a tricky balance point. I have found that 35mm focal length (equivalent) seems to work best, but have successfully shot receding storms with a 105mm.
Shooting from the window of a high rise also works, and gives you altitude, safety, and often a great vantage point. Again, once the rain starts you're probably out of luck, since the water running down the glass will also obscure your shots.
Really want good shots? Go to Florida. In summer, there's practically a storm every afternoon or evening, and it's flat enough to see them advancing. The coasts allow you to shoot a long ways off. Just be aware that storms move fast in Florida, and be prepared to get soaked.
Good luck!
- Al.
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Norm - 21 Jul 2006 15:49 GMT Al,
Lots of good advice. But, I'd like to amplify on the bit about if you feel the hair stand up on the back of your neck. This is caused by the positive ions flowing up and possibly creating a connection with the negative ions searching downward from the clouds. So, yes, you indeed, are in danger but the best course of action is to immediately squat with your feet close together. You want to have as little contact with the ground as possible. Put your hands over your ears and close your eyes. If you are prone on the ground you present a larger area for the positive ions to possibly connect with the downward searching negative ions.
It is also a good idea to make sure anyone accompanying you is aware of the safety precautions and that all present should know CPR. There won't be much time to discuss options if some one gets hit.
Norm
Petri Lopia - 23 Jul 2006 08:56 GMT > I am a fairly decent photographer and just do it for a hobby, but one > thing I have not figured out is capturing lightning. I have a Kodak > EasyShare Z730 if that will help. Get steady tripod and and learn how to use your cameras manual settings and use long exposure time. If sky is too bright you can use ND filters.
Here is some of my lightning photos: http://www.petrilopia.net/ and http://www.pbase.com/whig/lightnings
Hopefully somebody will wrote some feedback/comment about those photos too =)
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