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JIRI - 24 Jan 2004 15:58 GMT

Hi everybody. have you ever tested the NEW Kiev 88CM medium format camera
with Mirror lock up??? I would be happy for all informations....Thanx...

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Ralf R. Radermacher - 24 Jan 2004 17:47 GMT

> Hi everybody. have you ever tested the NEW Kiev 88CM medium format camera
> with Mirror lock up??? I would be happy for all informations....Thanx...

NEW???

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Stacey - 25 Jan 2004 07:43 GMT

>> Hi everybody. have you ever tested the NEW Kiev 88CM medium format camera
>> with Mirror lock up??? I would be happy for all informations....Thanx...
>
> NEW???
>
>

Actually there is a new 88C MLU

http://www.kievcamera.com/camera.php?ID=123

It has a built in back instead of swapable ones. Suposed to avoid the
problems with kiev backs. But then again I'd just get a K-60 unless someone
just wants a poser type camera as what is the point in a camera like this
that doesn't have a removable back?

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Ralf R. Radermacher - 25 Jan 2004 09:38 GMT

> It has a built in back instead of swapable ones.

How utterly pathetic.

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Stacey - 25 Jan 2004 19:23 GMT

>> It has a built in back instead of swapable ones.
>
> How utterly pathetic.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. Seems they want to stop making the K-60 (the only
reliable camera they make) so this was their answer. Seems stupid to me.

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steven.sawyer@banet.net - 26 Jan 2004 02:21 GMT

Which would be lighter? The new Kiev 88CM or the Kiev 60.

> >> Hi everybody. have you ever tested the NEW Kiev 88CM medium format camera
> >> with Mirror lock up??? I would be happy for all informations....Thanx...
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> Stacey

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Stacey - 26 Jan 2004 03:31 GMT

> Which would be lighter? The new Kiev 88CM or the Kiev 60.
>
>

I'd guess a K-60.

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steven.sawyer@banet.net - 27 Jan 2004 01:28 GMT

So there's no point at all to this "new" Kiev 88CM. I do agree though
that the Kiev 88 is a little bit sexier of a camera, due to it's Hassy
resemblance.

> > Which would be lighter? The new Kiev 88CM or the Kiev 60.
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> Stacey

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Stacey - 27 Jan 2004 02:27 GMT

> So there's no point at all to this "new" Kiev 88CM. I do agree though
> that the Kiev 88 is a little bit sexier of a camera, due to it's Hassy
> resemblance.

That's all it's about, posing. That and they can consolidate the assembly
process. The 88CM has the problems with it's shutter (always has) and film
path causing flatness issues that the k-60 doesn't have. The K-60 is a much
more reliable camera yet this is the one they are discontinueing. Maybe
people want to pose rather than shoot and they know it?

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Stacey - 25 Jan 2004 07:47 GMT

> Hi everybody. have you ever tested the NEW Kiev 88CM medium format camera
> with Mirror lock up??? I would be happy for all informations....Thanx...

Personally I think the twist/lock P-6 mount type cameras are better then the
CM's. These cameras were designed for metal shutters and the cloth shutters
seem to cause problems. Right now the ARAX K-88's (titanium foil shutters)
seem to be the best around and they are easy people to deal with. IMHO
-kievcamera- has gotten too big to give quality service anymore and is
unresponcive to e-mails/problems after the sale.

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