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645 SLR with a normally "vertical" format

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steven.sawyer@banet.net - 26 Dec 2003 04:20 GMT
Are there any low-end 645 SLRs that use a vertical format when held in
an upright position?  In other words feed the film horizontally.  I know
the 645 Kiev does, but I was thinking more along the lines of Mamiya.
Walt Kienzle - 26 Dec 2003 04:46 GMT
I think the Fuji GA645 series meets these specifications, depending on if
you consider it to be low-end or not.  IIRC, the Fuji GA645zi costs less
than most other medium format systems.  No interchangeable lenses on my
Fuji, but that may come along with the "low-end" qualifications; I am happy
with the quality of its zoom lens.

Walt Kienzle

> Are there any low-end 645 SLRs that use a vertical format when held in
> an upright position?  In other words feed the film horizontally.  I know
> the 645 Kiev does, but I was thinking more along the lines of Mamiya.
Walt Kienzle - 26 Dec 2003 04:53 GMT
Oops, sorry, I missed reading the SLR specification - the Fuji is a
viewfinder camera.

> I think the Fuji GA645 series meets these specifications, depending on if
> you consider it to be low-end or not.  IIRC, the Fuji GA645zi costs less
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> > an upright position?  In other words feed the film horizontally.  I know
> > the 645 Kiev does, but I was thinking more along the lines of Mamiya.
David J. Littleboy - 26 Dec 2003 05:13 GMT
> Are there any low-end 645 SLRs that use a vertical format when held in
> an upright position?  In other words feed the film horizontally.  I know
> the 645 Kiev does, but I was thinking more along the lines of Mamiya.

If you use a Mamiya 645 Pro without a grip or motor drive, it's real easy to
hold vertically. It just sits on your left hand, and horizontal and vertical
are pretty much the same. The 645E should be the same.

(This doesn't apply with a flash attached, though.)

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Lourens Smak - 26 Dec 2003 21:17 GMT
> Are there any low-end 645 SLRs that use a vertical format when held in
> an upright position?  In other words feed the film horizontally.  I know
> the 645 Kiev does, but I was thinking more along the lines of Mamiya.

The only one I know is the Rollei 6008 with the rotating 6x4.5 magazine,
but it's not really a "low end" machine. You will be able to use the
waist-level finder for vertical shots though. (I suppose that's what
you're after...) The magazine (type 4560)  will also fit the 6001, which
is a lot cheaper than the 6008. Because it lacks the metering that most
Rollei customers want, the 6001 is relatively "un-wanted" and often
cheap on Eb*y....it does have a TTL flashmeter (yes, *metering*, with
any flash, not just TTL dedicated-flash-control which it also has of
course) and makes an excellent "studio" camera. It has no normal
metering or automatic exposure modes.

picture of the magazine:
http://www.sl66.com/slx/acc_magazines.htm

;-)
Lourens  (6001 owner)
steven.sawyer@banet.net - 27 Dec 2003 00:23 GMT
Thank you, I was looking at Rollei, but was unaware of this option.  You mean
to say that the 6001 lacks TTL metering?  I didn't understand.  I'm not a big
fan of TTL anyway.  I've gotten used to toting my Sekonic around.

> > Are there any low-end 645 SLRs that use a vertical format when held in
> > an upright position?  In other words feed the film horizontally.  I know
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> ;-)
> Lourens  (6001 owner)
Lourens Smak - 27 Dec 2003 13:31 GMT
> Thank you, I was looking at Rollei, but was unaware of this option.  You mean
> to say that the 6001 lacks TTL metering?  I didn't understand.  I'm not a big
> fan of TTL anyway.  I've gotten used to toting my Sekonic around.

It has NO ttl-metering, but it can measure flash off the film (with over
and under lights in the finder) or off a special measuring back. The
integral measuring-back is supplied with body as cap, spot version
available separately. They're basically body rear caps with a printed
6x6 grey square on them. (spot is black with white circle). It works
fairly well although I usually take a polaroid to check a flash lighting
setup.

One other nice thing of the 6001 is that both shutter and aperture can
be set in 1/3 stop increments.

I also have an older 6006 which has the basic Rollei multi-zone metering
and only shutter-priority automatics. (and fully manual of course). I
have used the automatic exposure quite a lot, it's similar to a Nikon F4
on matrix. Not perfect but very useable. The separate measuring-button
is also exposure-lock so it's designed to take a reading somewhere,
re-compose, and click.

The 6001 is almost a bargain, but the lenses aren't... But, all older
(SLX,6006) lenses will also fit the 6001, only limitation is you can't
use the 1/1000th shutterspeed. There's a budget "EL" series of lenses.
(50, 80, 150, and 250 I think) These lack the expensive front-bayonet
and the little arrow that indicates the set aperture on auto-exposure.
(the arrow is used with SLX, 6006 etc., the 6008 indicates set aperture
in the viewfinder, 6001 doesn't have metering and auto-exposure...)

Note the 4560 back will not work with an older model like the 6006. It
requires a 6008 or 6001.

;-)
Lourens
Mr 645 - 27 Dec 2003 14:01 GMT
The Bronica RF645 shoots verticle, as does the Fuji 645 AF and AFZ
http://www.jonlayephotography.com
Q.G. de Bakker - 28 Dec 2003 00:38 GMT
> The Bronica RF645 shoots verticle, as does the Fuji 645 AF and AFZ

But they are not SLRs, are they?
;-)
Mr 645 - 28 Dec 2003 15:29 GMT
<< > The Bronica RF645 shoots verticle, as does the Fuji 645 AF and AFZ >>

Nope :-)   But still nice, small, high quality cameras.
http://www.jonlayephotography.com
Fantasy Fotos - 27 Dec 2003 17:47 GMT
The Mamiya RB-67 and RZ-67 with 645 backs do this. Also the Fuji 645 Folder
takes portrait orientation 645's.
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>> Are there any low-end 645 SLRs that use a vertical format when held in
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>;-)
>Lourens  (6001 owner)
jjs - 27 Dec 2003 18:38 GMT
> The Mamiya RB-67 and RZ-67 with 645 backs do this. Also the Fuji 645 Folder
> takes portrait orientation 645's.

Didn't Hasselblad make, at least for a short time, a vertical 645 back?
Q.G. de Bakker - 28 Dec 2003 00:37 GMT
> Didn't Hasselblad make, at least for a short time, a vertical 645 back?

They did.

They still do, in a way, considering that the vertical 645 in the "V12"
(yes, only 12 exposures to a roll) back was no more but a masked 6x6 frame.
You can do the same in "post-production" with any 6x6 back produced frame.
 
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