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No more Noblex cameras
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Ralf R. Radermacher - 03 Jun 2009 19:14 GMT Had a phone conversation with someone at Kamerawerk Dresden, the makers of Noblex panoramic cameras, today. They've stopped making their famous panoramic cameras.
Pity, really. I wish them all the best for the future.
Ralf
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Alan Browne - 03 Jun 2009 21:26 GMT > Had a phone conversation with someone at Kamerawerk Dresden, the makers > of Noblex panoramic cameras, today. They've stopped making their famous > panoramic cameras. All cameras are panoramic now with image stitching software available on a number of image editors.
For the few remaining "pure" need panoramic imaging requirements there are more than ample cameras floating around.
Indeed if you needed a 'single exposure time' panoramic it would be easier to set up a lot of ordinary DSLR's with overlapping FOV's and trigger them simultaneously. Then stitch in s/w. Some care of camera/lens placement is all that's needed. For closer in panos might be more challenging.
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Nick Fotis - 23 Jul 2009 19:35 GMT O/H Ralf R. Radermacher ??????:
> Had a phone conversation with someone at Kamerawerk Dresden, the makers > of Noblex panoramic cameras, today. They've stopped making their famous [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ralf I hope that they'll continue servicing these (I own both the 150U and the 135S from their range)
I admit I am saddened by these news...
N.F.
Ralf R. Radermacher - 23 Jul 2009 20:01 GMT > I hope that they'll continue servicing these > (I own both the 150U and the 135S from their range) > > I admit I am saddened by these news... Now, this is the real bad news. They can't repair our cameras because they don't have any spares. Since they always built the same models they never held a dedicated stock of spares as all the parts they needed for repairs could be fetched from the production department next door.
Worse still, all their parts were made by external suppliers and they only assembled the cameras.
Faced with plummeting sales they simply carried on until all parts had been used up for building cameras and then pulled the plug on their camera production without any parts left for spares.
I've spoken to the guy running their service department. He has shelves full of customers' broken cameras and nothing to repair them. When I asked him what to do, he suggested sending him all broken cameras so he could pile them up and convince their CEO to have another batch of parts made. Hair-raising, isn't it?
Sounds like a story from another world and indeed it is as it goes a long way towards explaining the mentality still prevalent in what used to be socialist East Germany. Twenty years on, they're still as fatalistic as they were then. No wonder they're gobbling up billions of West German taxpayers' money without any progress to show for it.
Ralf
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Andrew Price - 24 Jul 2009 23:24 GMT [---]
>Sounds like a story from another world and indeed it is as it goes a >long way towards explaining the mentality still prevalent in what used >to be socialist East Germany. Twenty years on, they're still as >fatalistic as they were then. No wonder they're gobbling up billions of >West German taxpayers' money without any progress to show for it. Well, they're not *all* like that, but one wonders, some times.
Last weekend, I was in Wernigerode (in the state of Saxony-Anhalt, formerly part of the GDR), and went into a general-purpose clothing store with a friend. He was looking for a t-shirt, but after wandering around most of the ground floor, it was obvious that there was only women's clothing, and shoes for sale there.
But before venturing up the stair-case to the first floor (my friend is 83) he asked a saleswoman in the shoe department
- "where is the men's department?"
- "men's shoes are here" came the prompt response.
- "I'm not interested in shoes", he said, "I'm looking for a t-shirt"
- "Oh, sorry, we can't help you" came the astounding response. "We're only responsible for shoes"
- "Yes, but surely you know where the t-shirts are?" my friend replied.
- "No, not our business" came the impertinent reply.
At first, I thought it was a joke. But it wasn't ...
mikey4 - 24 Jul 2009 23:30 GMT > [---] > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > At first, I thought it was a joke. But it wasn't ... LOL !! Sounds like most every big box store in the US.
Ralf R. Radermacher - 24 Jul 2009 23:37 GMT > - "Oh, sorry, we can't help you" came the astounding response. "We're > only responsible for shoes" Almost like the old GDR joke: "Do you have no swimsuits?" - "No swimsuits are on the first floor. We have no socks, here!"
Ralf
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Nick Fotis - 27 Jul 2009 17:48 GMT > I've spoken to the guy running their service department. He has shelves > full of customers' broken cameras and nothing to repair them. When I > asked him what to do, he suggested sending him all broken cameras so he > could pile them up and convince their CEO to have another batch of parts > made. Hair-raising, isn't it? THAT one is really shocking! (and hair-raising)
How will they get the extra income from the repair jobs if they do not have a stock of parts?
That one saddens me greatly, it does cause me to be fearful of using my Noblexes lest these break... :-(
N.F.
RolandRB - 31 Jul 2009 06:10 GMT > > I've spoken to the guy running their service department. He has shelves > > full of customers' broken cameras and nothing to repair them. When I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > N.F. What's the point if there is nobody left to process the film that gets used in them?
Ralf R. Radermacher - 31 Jul 2009 08:00 GMT > What's the point if there is nobody left to process the film that gets > used in them? I do beg your pardon?
Ralf
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RolandRB - 31 Jul 2009 08:19 GMT > > What's the point if there is nobody left to process the film that gets > > used in them? > > I do beg your pardon? If you hadn't noticed, getting roll film developed is becoming more difficult and more expensive. It is that that has spelled the death of these cameras. Not some poor management decision. Not competition from abroad.
For myself, I am mighty pissed off that it costs me € 7 to get a roll of E-6 developed here in Germany. I only use that type of roll film. € 7 a roll means I have to give up using it and go digital.
As for those panoramic cameras using 35mm film then there is the problem that the frames are bigger and whoever is processing them at the other end hasn't got a clue. Again, you have to pay more money to get it processed properly.
Film is still cheap but getting it processed for MF and for non- standard 35mm frames is becoming more expensive and more difficult. It seems to me that there is no point in distributing film in Europe any more because of this. Maybe it is still OK in Japan or China but not Europe any more.
Ralf R. Radermacher - 31 Jul 2009 08:32 GMT > If you hadn't noticed, getting roll film developed is becoming more > difficult and more expensive. It is that that has spelled the death of > these cameras. Not some poor management decision. Not competition from > abroad. Sure. I could tell you now how comparatively easy it is to do one's own film processing, even without a darkroom. But having followed you on here for a number of years, you'd just be coming up with more reasons why you couldn't.
It's always easier to find reasons for not doing things than to actually do them.
Ralf
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RolandRB - 31 Jul 2009 09:21 GMT > > If you hadn't noticed, getting roll film developed is becoming more > > difficult and more expensive. It is that that has spelled the death of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ralf And I've followed you here for a number of years as well. Tell me if what is described in the following article is simple or not in your opinion.
http://www.lightcatchers.org/gcarlson/e6processing/E6processing.htm
Ralf R. Radermacher - 31 Jul 2009 09:32 GMT > And I've followed you here for a number of years as well. Tell me if > what is described in the following article is simple or not in your > opinion. I find this indeed rather simple. I take it you don't.
Ralf
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Miles Bader - 31 Jul 2009 09:49 GMT >> And I've followed you here for a number of years as well. Tell me if >> what is described in the following article is simple or not in your >> opinion. > > I find this indeed rather simple. I take it you don't. You may be a wee bit more studly than most people in this respect...
[and call me crazy, but I'd be pretty nervous handling all those chemicals in my extremely cramped kitchen, where I'll be preparing food later... This kind of thing seems much nicer if you have a dedicated space with the requisite facilities (temperature-controlled water source, big sinks, powerful fans, not your dinner :).]
-Miles
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Ralf R. Radermacher - 31 Jul 2009 10:04 GMT > You may be a wee bit more studly than most people in this respect... I've just realized, years ago, that finding excuses won't solve my problems.
> [and call me crazy, but I'd be pretty nervous handling all those > chemicals in my extremely cramped kitchen, where I'll be preparing food > later... Take it to the bathroom and/or into the shower.
Ralf
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Miles Bader - 31 Jul 2009 10:13 GMT >> You may be a wee bit more studly than most people in this respect... > > I've just realized, years ago, that finding excuses won't solve my > problems. You are very right there.
-Miles
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krishnananda - 22 Dec 2009 23:54 GMT In article <b9f57e44-3708-4211-bc1a-522db217e623@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > If you hadn't noticed, getting roll film developed is becoming more > > > difficult and more expensive. It is that that has spelled the death of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://www.lightcatchers.org/gcarlson/e6processing/E6processing.htm Three more steps than developing black and white negatives. Exactly the same steps as developing T-Max black and white reversal.
What exactly is the problem?
And possibly more important, what does it have to do with Noblex closing down? Swinging-lens panoramic cameras have always been a niche market at best. Widelux went belly-up years ago, before anyone had ever thought of digital photography.
Here's a hint: if you want to switch to all digital photography, do so. There is some gizmo that attaches a point-and-shoot to a tripod and does panoramas automatically. I believe it costs about US$300. Knock yourself out.
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