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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Medium format / October 2003MF wide camera DIY... is it possible?
I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, Cambo Wide or Alpa, but much more cheap... ($2000 range - that's my budget) Do you know if someone sells DIY kits for building a wide camera? Am I dreaming? Kamox. > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Do you know if someone sells DIY kits for building a wide camera? > Am I dreaming? 6x9cm easily fits in 4x5" so any 4x5 with a 6x9 rollfilm back would do. You should be able to pick up a used 4x5, lens and rollfilm holder for about $2K. There's also at least one kit camera I know of, the Bender (http://www.benderphoto.com/).  SignatureTom Thackrey www.creative-light.com tom (at) creative (dash) light (dot) com do NOT send email to jamesbutler@willglen.net (it's reserved for spammers) > > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There's also at least one kit camera I know of, the Bender > (http://www.benderphoto.com/). Unfortunately, with a 4x5 he's not going to get the wide-angle he could with a real MF camera. There's just too much bellows or adapting neccesssary to use, for example, a 47mm lens on the 4x5, and the rollfilm adapter gets spendy. If you wish to see a 4x5 that does use such a lens, see this: http://wind.winona.edu/~stafford/SANDWICH-4X5 and to stay OT, it even uses a Bender 4x5 back. :) > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, > a film back holder on the > rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, Cambo Wide or Alpa, > but much more cheap... ($2000 > range - that's my budget) Very good news for you. You can spend less and get more. Look into the used Brooks or Plaubel Veriwide 120/220 cameras. They each use either the F5.6 or F8 47mm Super Angulon and do 6x8 and 6x9, respectively. Sometimes you can pick up an early Hasselblad SWC for about $2k but it's 66. Or, be very adventurous and save money by finding a Zeiss Icon 6x9 rollfilm camera that's cheap because the lens or bellows is ruined - and mount a suitable wide-angle w/shutter to it. It's been done! > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the > rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, Cambo Wide or Alpa, but much more cheap... ($2000 > range - that's my budget) > Do you know if someone sells DIY kits for building a wide camera? > Am I dreaming? Buy a 4x5 camera with a 6x9 film rollholder. Make sure the 4x5 camera can handle the lens length you want. All told with likely any lens you want this should cost less then your budget. No view finder buy you'll have ground glass. You can also use 4x5 sheet film if you want. Or if you can live with a fixed focus camera then build yourself a box camera. Stick the lens you want on the front of an four sided box. The rollfilm holder on the back. No view finder but if you really wanted it you could rig up a ground glass viewer. This would be even cheaper then the first choice. Personally I keep thinking of doing the second but for something large. It'll be set to focus at hyperfocal. If real big film holders didn't cost more then a small car I likely would have done it already. Nick Signature"It is a mistake, however, to assume that the Zone System therefore 'does not work' with roll-film cameras; since it is a practical expression of sensitometric principles, the Zone System remains valid, even though its use is somewhat different." Adams _The_Negative_ > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a > film back holder on the rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, > Cambo Wide or Alpa, but much more cheap... ($2000 range - that's my > budget) Do you know if someone sells DIY kits for building a wide camera? > Am I dreaming? How wide are you talking about? SignatureStacey Kamox schrieb: > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the > rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, Cambo Wide or Alpa, but much more cheap... ($2000 > range - that's my budget) > Do you know if someone sells DIY kits for building a wide camera? I dont know anyone building such a DIY Kit. But: Take the focussing mount from Schneider Kreuznach http://www.schneideroptics.com/photography/accessories/focus_mounts/ the most expensive part I think. Then you need a box (stable, black inside from wood oder metal). Viewfinder, film back, ground glass and probably the rear bayonett. The ground glass an the rear bayonett you can probably make by yourself. Markus SignatureKeinaths Photohomepage Photo-Equipment: DIY, Repair and Modification www.keinaths-fotohomepage.gmxhome.de - Small English Version http://home.arcor.de/keinath - Full German Version > Take the focussing mount from Schneider Kreuznach Not quite. Every taking lens requires its' own focus mount. The focus mount for a 35mm Rodenstock Apo Gradagon is shorter and has different scales then the one for any longer lens. Each taking lens focus mount is unique for a specific focal length. On the other hand a focus mount like the Rodenstock Modular Focus for 39mm Leica mount enlarging lenses is not specific to a focal length and is primarily used for duplicating or enlarging lenses for macro applications. But most systems like this only fit 35mm cameras or movie or video cameras with a C mount. SignatureTo reply no_ HPMarketing Corp. > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kamox. The shortest rectilinear lens that covers 2.25" x 3.25" is, afaik, the 35/? ApoGrandagon. $1k, used. There are longer lenses, if 35 is too wide, that cost less. This lens is known to make infinity on a Century Graphic. 2x3 Crown with graflok probably more expensive. $100 - 200 used. Roll holder to suit. Toyo/Horseman/Wista more highly regarded and expensive than Graflex, Adapt-A-Roll 620 works too and costs less. VF? Not sure, think Cosina (= Voightlander). Put lens on board. This rig will be useful with other lenses,easily fits inside your budget. Buying is easier than building and will leave no sawdust on the floor. Go. Spend. Shoot. Don't look back. Cheers, Dan Apart from Benders' site, which I will look with more attention in the following days, I find really difficult in Italy to find the items you're talking about and still stay within my budget.... I might be lucky and find a 4x5" folding and a 6x9 back for 1000 euros, but the REAL problem is the lens. I want (I'd like...) a lens not more than 50mm in order to have a 135 format equivalent of 20mm. A Schneider or Rodenstock lens like that costs about 2,500 euros if new, may I be so lucky and find somethig similar for 1,000 euros? You are lucky in the U.S.: large format gear is WAY more common there, but in my country no amateurs and very few pros shoot with 4x5" or above, so the material is scarce and pricey... However, I might be lucky with used gear on eBay. I realize now that my post is OT (I was thinking about 6x9 as MF, but the camera I'd need is a LF type). Please excuse me. Thaks for your help, Kamox. > Apart from Benders' site, which I will look with more attention in the > following days, I find really difficult in Italy to find the items > you're talking about and still stay within my budget.... I might be > lucky and find a 4x5" folding and a 6x9 back for 1000 euros, but the > REAL problem is the lens. What did I tell you? Veriwide - Brooks or Plaubel model. > What did I tell you? Veriwide - Brooks or Plaubel model. I know, I was referring to the other posts. However I found no Veriwide's on eBay. Kamox. Check every day... > > What did I tell you? Veriwide - Brooks or Plaubel model. > > I know, I was referring to the other posts. However I found no Veriwide's on eBay. > > Kamox. > Apart from Benders' site, which I will look with more attention in the > following days, I find really difficult in Italy to find the items [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > costs about 2,500 euros if new, may I be so lucky and find somethig > similar for 1,000 euros? Robert White in the UK shows a Super Angulon XL 47mm for 750 pounds. What's the exchange rate now? If you can live with a 58mm then it's 615 pounds. Or you could ask somebody like Badger graphics if they'll do mail order to Italy. They've got a few choices for around $1000US. You also don't need a fancy 4x5 for this. Wouldn't surprise me if the press camera I bought could handle 50mm lens. Nick Signature"It is a mistake, however, to assume that the Zone System therefore 'does not work' with roll-film cameras; since it is a practical expression of sensitometric principles, the Zone System remains valid, even though its use is somewhat different." Adams _The_Negative_ Nick Zentena was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever: >> Apart from Benders' site, which I will look with more attention in the >> following days, I find really difficult in Italy to find the items [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Robert White in the UK shows a Super Angulon XL 47mm for 750 pounds. > What's the exchange rate now? That's still about 1100 Euros... > If you can live with a 58mm then it's 615 > pounds. Or you could ask somebody like Badger graphics if they'll do mail > order to Italy. They've got a few choices for around $1000US. Problem with ordering gear from the US is that import duty + VAT on top does make it fairly expensive - I found that it's a waste of money importing stuff from the US to the UK unless they're not available over here, as once you add both shipping and Her Majesty's cut, you might as well source it in the EU... SignatureTimo Geusch Morini Corsaro 125 | Bimota YB7 | Sprint ST BOTAFOF #33 TWA#10 The UKRM FAQ: http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmfaq1.html > Nick Zentena was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever: > > Robert White in the UK shows a Super Angulon XL 47mm for 750 pounds. > > What's the exchange rate now? > > That's still about 1100 Euros... That might be the new Super Angulon. I hope! The earlier ones are far, far less expensive here, although you do have to wait to find one. I'd expect to pay no more than $320US for an early SA 47mm. > That's still about 1100 Euros... The orginal budget was $2k. The camera would easily fit the budget. Even if a new camera was bought. The only question is the rollfilm holder. Considering the lens I mentioned actually covered 4x5 it might be interesting to use it for both. Is the lens cheap? Nope but I still think it hits the intial budget. Certainly with a used 4x5 camera it does. Nick Signature"It is a mistake, however, to assume that the Zone System therefore 'does not work' with roll-film cameras; since it is a practical expression of sensitometric principles, the Zone System remains valid, even though its use is somewhat different." Adams _The_Negative_ > Apart from Benders' site, which I will look with more attention in the > following days, I find really difficult in Italy to find the items [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Kamox. Y'know, if you look at things that way you'll never get anywhere. Don't be such a defeatist. Where to shop? eBay eBay eBay and don't look back. Well, I am looking into doing sort of the same thing. I suggest you look at some of the sites where DIY'ers are building large format cameras. Then, first get some black foam board and build a prototype, then use wood once you find measurements that work. Look at: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~dbardell/index.html He has a 6X9 field camera he built. > Well, I am looking into doing sort of the same thing. I suggest you look at > some of the sites where DIY'ers are building large format cameras. Then, first [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Look at: http://www.cyberbeach.net/~dbardell/index.html > He has a 6X9 field camera he built. Since when is 6x9 Large Format? >$2000 >range - that's my budget) I think this road's already been traveled; if you like to take photos rather than build things, see the following: http://www.largeformatphotography.info/roundup2x3.html http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~qtluong/photography/lf/cameras/toyo/toyo-galvi n-2x3.html I like the idea of the Galvin but a 4x5 wooden field camera is just as light and should produce the same results. Furniture building is my other hobby but I try not to mix it with photography. Warren Kato > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Kamox. Saw the top off a Mamiya Universal, mount the 50mm lens. Scale focus, get levels make a viewfinder. Someone else has done it, I don't remember the site, though. JD SignatureJD 2001 Moto-Guzzi V11 Sport 1999 Triumph (shop bike) Trophy http://www.bigcamera.com for wideangle build on mamiya press body. > > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > > I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on te front, a > > film back holder on the > > rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, Cambo Wide or Alpa, but much [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 2001 Moto-Guzzi V11 Sport > 1999 Triumph (shop bike) Trophy see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/wide.html and mf/veriwide.html and mf/vista612.html for some related ideas, also mf/homebrew.html links some homebrew options include mf/nimslo.html and mf/postcard.html - but you will need to replace the lens with a shutter mounted 50mm or 75mm that can cover 6x12cm or better. Roger Hicks in an article in Brit. Jrnl of Photogr. describes a Longfellow 6x18+cm using a low cost 90mm angulon (not SA) lens and two hacked together Ensign metal camera bodies and 120 rollfilm. Keep in mind you will need a 4x5" or larger enlarger for some of the panoramic setups ;-) personally, I went the veriwide route too; just about as cheap to buy the camera as the lens and shutter alone, and it is rugged and light weight (2 lbs) and easy to carry along for panoramic shots (~18mm equiv on 35mm due to 6x9cm/35mm format 2:3 common ratio). good luck bobm Signature*********************************************************************** * Robert Monaghan POB 752182 Southern Methodist Univ. Dallas Tx 75275 * ********************Standard Disclaimers Apply************************* >I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. >I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Kamox. Some years ago I bought a used Fujica G690BL 6x9 rangefinder camera with five lenses. One of them is a 50 mm which is the equivalent of a 21 mm lens on a 35 mm camera. The 50 mm f5.6 Fuji lens has a built in leaf shutter and a separate finder that mounts on top of the camera. The quality of the lens is very good and the camera handles very well in the field. Picture quality is extremely good. Normally I prefer the Pentax 67 but when I need the 6x9 format and a really wide angle then the Fujica is my choice. I recomend you to take a look at this alternative. It will meet your needs nicely. As for prices and availability today I have no idea. But if you can locate a used 50 mm lens and a 6x9 body (the lenses can also be used on Fujica 6x7 bodies) I beleive it will be well within your budget. Take a look at http://www.dantestella.com/technical/g690bl.html and http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/fujig690.html for more details. Best of luck, Lars A On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 17:39:53 +0200, Kamox <nospamkamox@go.com> wrote: > I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > > mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the > rear and a uncoupled viewfinder. Like Horseman, Cambo Wide or Alpa, but much more cheap... ($2000 > range - that's my budget) A Brooks or Plaubel Veriwide fits in that $2k very nicely. There are sources other than EBay. (Brooks using the Mamiya back is 120/220 and 58mm X 80mm and the Plaubel is 120 and 58mm x 88mm, or nominialy both are called 6X9s. They use either the Schneider 47mm F5.6 or F8 lens.) Lars: Here's a good article on the Plaubel Veriwide: http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/veriwide.html And: http://www.gaspweb.co.uk/playpen/veri/ Here's the Brooks Veriwide http://www.infocam.co.kr/E3-Panor/images/22-br-vw.jpg (That finder is a monster. Not needed, and often missing. Below is mine.) http://www.auction-team.de/new_highlights/2000_08/562.htm You do not need the Leitz finder. It costs almost as much as the camera alone. They sell without finders regularly. Regardless, $2k will cover both. The Brooks is also a good camera, despite some opinions out there. The back is interchangable, and the earlier F5.6 lens is just fine. I now have the Brooks and owned the Plaubel for years. The Plaubel has a nifty 'click' on various focusing points, and it is more compact, but IMHO isn't technically better than the Brooks, especially in terms of film flatness. (repeat: IMHO!) > >I'd like to shoot in 6x9 with a wide lens. > >I mean something very simple, like a box with a lens mount on the front, a film back holder on the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > good. Normally I prefer the Pentax 67 but when I need the 6x9 format and a > really wide angle then the Fujica is my choice. I'd look for a Baby Speed or Crown graphic, (2 1/4 x 3 1/4 ") roll film holder and whatever the widest lens you could find that would physically fit on the lensboard and still focus to infinity > I recomend you to take a look at this alternative. It will meet your needs > nicely. As for prices and availability today I have no idea. But if you can [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Lars A |
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