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Peter Chant - 09 Mar 2007 00:33 GMT
It's definitely worked:

http://www.petezilla.co.uk/church.jpg

Limitation of this image appears to be the scan.  Did not sharpen the image,
a small amount would have benefited.

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RolandRB - 09 Mar 2007 06:08 GMT
> It's definitely worked:
>
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Excellent news. A small question -- I can see some red fringing on the
boarded up window in the church tower. Is that there on the original
film? Have you got an 8x lupe or higher that you can check with?
Peter Chant - 09 Mar 2007 23:38 GMT
> Excellent news. A small question -- I can see some red fringing on the
> boarded up window in the church tower. Is that there on the original
> film? Have you got an 8x lupe or higher that you can check with?

Not got a loupe I'm afraid. Looked with a 50mm lens but the magnification
was a bit too low. I noticed a bit of a reddy-purple glow on one side of
the flag pole.  Suspect it can be a scan artifact.

Nice if I had a MF projector or higher res scanner - but I would not use
them enough to be worth while.  Don't really print large enought to really
justify MF - that said, convinced difference is notable on even smallish
prints.

Pete

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Peter Chant - 10 Mar 2007 00:59 GMT
> Not got a loupe I'm afraid. Looked with a 50mm lens but the magnification
> was a bit too low. I noticed a bit of a reddy-purple glow on one side of
> the flag pole.  Suspect it can be a scan artifact.

Sorry, was ambiguous there, the reddy-purple glow was onthe scan.

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RolandRB - 10 Mar 2007 06:02 GMT
> > Excellent news. A small question -- I can see some red fringing on the
> > boarded up window in the church tower. Is that there on the original
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> was a bit too low. I noticed a bit of a reddy-purple glow on one side of
> the flag pole.  Suspect it can be a scan artifact.

Have you got a 28mm lens or wider? You should get more magnification
from that if you use the lens as a lupe with the camera side of the
lens away from your eye.

> Nice if I had a MF projector or higher res scanner - but I would not use
> them enough to be worth while.  Don't really print large enought to really
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David J. Littleboy - 10 Mar 2007 07:08 GMT
>> Not got a loupe I'm afraid. Looked with a 50mm lens but the magnification
>> was a bit too low. I noticed a bit of a reddy-purple glow on one side of
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> from that if you use the lens as a lupe with the camera side of the
> lens away from your eye.

Get either a good 20x loupe or a cheap microscope like one of these. (Th
60-100x version pops out of the base and functions as an extreme loupe, the
10-30x version just does the loupe thing.) I have the 60-100x version, and
it's really nice knowing whether or not the scanner is getting what's there.

http://ctlg.national.jp/products/images/product/l/3/BF-964_3034.jpg

http://prodb.matsushita.co.jp/products/images/product/l/3/BF-959_3009.jpg

http://www.sense.panasonic.co.jp/PanaSense/shumi/BF-9/index.html

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
RolandRB - 10 Mar 2007 08:28 GMT
> >> Not got a loupe I'm afraid. Looked with a 50mm lens but the magnification
> >> was a bit too low. I noticed a bit of a reddy-purple glow on one side of
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> David J. Littleboy
> Tokyo, Japan

They look very useful. I've never seen these before.
David J. Littleboy - 10 Mar 2007 10:37 GMT
>> Get either a good 20x loupe or a cheap microscope like one of these. (Th
>> 60-100x version pops out of the base and functions as an extreme loupe,
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> They look very useful. I've never seen these before.

I think these particular ones are only sold over here. However, a quick look
at a microscope store on the net turned up similar devices, albeit ones with
fixed 30x and 100x magnifications. The 60-100x one is actually pretty poor
quality. It is a big improvement over a 10x or less loupe (or 50mm lens) for
seeing the detail in one's slides, but a good 20x loop gets you very close
to what a cheap microscope does.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Peter Chant - 13 Mar 2007 01:18 GMT
>> > Excellent news. A small question -- I can see some red fringing on the
>> > boarded up window in the church tower. Is that there on the original
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> from that if you use the lens as a lupe with the camera side of the
> lens away from your eye.

Yes, a couple of 24mm lenses, but at f2.8 their rear elements are small,
they do not show enough area to be usable.

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RolandRB - 13 Mar 2007 04:12 GMT
> >> > Excellent news. A small question -- I can see some red fringing on the
> >> > boarded up window in the church tower. Is that there on the original
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Get you eye right up to the glass of the front element and it will
work fine.
David J. Littleboy - 13 Mar 2007 05:12 GMT
>> > Have you got a 28mm lens or wider? You should get more magnification
>> > from that if you use the lens as a lupe with the camera side of the
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> Get you eye right up to the glass of the front element and it will
> work fine.

Yes. Comparing a 20/2.8 with a 20x loupe, both give a similar degree of
magnification, but the 20x loupe shows a larger area of the subject and
comes with an adjustable plastic ring that holds it at exactly the right
distance from the subject. The 20/2.8 may give a tad sharper more contrasty
view. Maybe.

But at higher magnifications, one only sees a tiny part of the image, so one
needs multiple loupes.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
RolandRB - 13 Mar 2007 06:52 GMT
> >> > Excellent news. A small question -- I can see some red fringing on the
> >> > boarded up window in the church tower. Is that there on the original
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> --http://www.petezilla.co.uk

You won't be able to see the whole slide/negative for sure at x11
magnification for a 24mm lens (approx.) but it should still show up a
lot including if there is a red fringe in the church tower blocked up
window. You have to use it with your eye almost touching the glass of
the front element.
Peter Chant - 14 Mar 2007 20:39 GMT
> You won't be able to see the whole slide/negative for sure at x11
> magnification for a 24mm lens (approx.) but it should still show up a
> lot including if there is a red fringe in the church tower blocked up
> window. You have to use it with your eye almost touching the glass of
> the front element.

You are definitely right there.  Can see a reasonable patch with a 50m f1.7.
With a 24mm can only see a tiny spot.  Also there is some patterning - I
suspect it's my retina or blood vestels in my eye.  Might be tiny defects
in the surface coating of the lens - its something but not something you
usually notice.

Can't see any fringing on the blocked up window or on the flag pole.  I
can't see a hint of anything that is not sharp.  :-)

Not that it affects the fringing but I should have left the curves alone and
left the scan darker.  I made a simple adjustment to make the side of the
church in shadow lighter when in fact it was deep shadow.  Brightening this
up showed up as some grainyness (not sure if it is traditional grain) in
the sky.  On the slide the sky is somewhere between royal blue and almost
navy.  Perhaps Provia and polarisers can go over the top but I prefer that
to washed out skies.

BTW - Pete's TLR polariser hint - buy two and line them up!

Pete

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RolandRB - 15 Mar 2007 16:09 GMT
> > You won't be able to see the whole slide/negative for sure at x11
> > magnification for a 24mm lens (approx.) but it should still show up a
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> in the surface coating of the lens - its something but not something you
> usually notice.

You could try the lens the other way round with your eyeball very
close to the exit lens. There will be distortion around the edges
though.

> Can't see any fringing on the blocked up window or on the flag pole.  I
> can't see a hint of anything that is not sharp.  :-)

That is good news. Another all-manual MF camera restored to full
working order.

> Not that it affects the fringing but I should have left the curves alone and
> left the scan darker.  I made a simple adjustment to make the side of the
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Peter Chant - 16 Mar 2007 01:04 GMT
> You could try the lens the other way round with your eyeball very
> close to the exit lens. There will be distortion around the edges
> though.

Didn't seem to work as well that way round.

>> Can't see any fringing on the blocked up window or on the flag pole.  I
>> can't see a hint of anything that is not sharp.  :-)
>
> That is good news. Another all-manual MF camera restored to full
> working order.

Well, not quite full, distance scale is broken and not worth fixing.  Light
seals are shot but not got around to fixing them as there is absolutely no
evidence of light leakage.

:-)

Pete

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