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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Medium format / December 2006New Hasselblad going UP in price??
Are they dense? 503CW Kit w/80CFE/A12 New 4054 http://www.gilghitelman.com/h_cameras.html why are they dense?there are still die hard MF fim uses out here ,and we are die hard Hasselblad users as well, as anyone will tell you, you get what you pay for when you purchase a Hasselblad,,so f they want to charge the price with digital breathing down there neck, peole will buy...fashion and other commercial markets still want the MF film use...so i say, let them charge, i for one will pay the price for i know what i'm getting.... Wayne Puffer Mirror Image Photography Milwaukee, WI > why are they dense?there are still die hard MF fim uses out here ,and we > are die hard Hasselblad users as well, as anyone will tell you, you get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Mirror Image Photography > Milwaukee, WI Are you related to one Nat Puffer, alleged aeronautical engineer? Anyway, when mostly unused amateur owned late model fully supported lenses and bodies are offered for very much less than the new one, only idiots buy new. > Anyway, when mostly unused amateur owned late model fully supported > lenses and bodies are offered for very much less than the new one, > only idiots buy new. It is going to be some time before that particular camera hits the used market. i must be the idiot then....i look at it like buying a car.if you buy used you could be getting someone elses poblem.so i buy the new and get the warranty.....so call me stupid, but when it comes to my camera equiment..i'll buy new.. thats me...JMO >i must be the idiot then....i look at it like buying a car.if you buy > used you could be getting someone elses poblem.so i buy the new and get > the warranty.....so call me stupid, but when it comes to my camera > equiment..i'll buy new.. If you're a pro, go with solid gear. OTOH, if you're an amateur, and if the used price is sufficiently low, you can use it till it dies and then just throw it away. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com >> i must be the idiot then....i look at it like buying a car.if you buy >> used you could be getting someone elses poblem.so i buy the new and get [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sufficiently low, you can use it till it dies and then just > throw it away. The economics of buying used can sometimes allow you to get really solid gear you might not have been able to afford new. Just because something is used doesn't mean it's garbage. >> If you're a pro, go with solid gear. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >gear you might not have been able to afford new. Just because something >is used doesn't mean it's garbage. I agree. I wasn't suggesting that used gear is junk. Not at all. It's just that, for what I paid for it, I don't need or expect it to last forever. And if it breaks or dies in use, I'm not too heartbroken over it. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com > I wasn't suggesting that used gear is junk. > Not at all. It's just that, for what I paid for it, With Hasselblad 500c/m bodies going for $150, it's got to be worth it. > I don't need or expect it to last forever. :) Kiev buyers don't expect their brand new stuff to last long at all. >>> If you're a pro, go with solid gear. >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > And if it breaks or dies in use, I'm not too > heartbroken over it. I dunno. I hate to lose a good tool. Financially I might not be out that much, but my camera budget is for equipment that will let me take the images I want to take. If it dies, I'm handicapped until it can be replaced. *IF* it can be replaced. > Financially I might not be out that much, but my camera budget is for > equipment that will let me take the images I want to take. If it dies, > I'm handicapped until it can be replaced. *IF* it can be replaced. Get two, new, of everything you need. >> Financially I might not be out that much, but my camera budget is for >> equipment that will let me take the images I want to take. If it dies, >> I'm handicapped until it can be replaced. *IF* it can be replaced. > > Get two, new, of everything you need. Ummm.....does this advice apply to girlfriends? raymondo >>> Financially I might not be out that much, but my camera budget is for >>> equipment that will let me take the images I want to take. If it dies, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > raymondo If past experience is any guide, a pair of brand new digital hassy's is gonna be a lot cheaper in the long run. the hassy digital backs are 10k....are the rumors true that the hassy digital camers are like 32k or not, i haven't seen one yet, just the backs i've seen, and i'm not going to spend 10k on a back that will be out dated soon.... > I dunno. I hate to lose a good tool. > > Financially I might not be out that much, but my camera budget is for > equipment that will let me take the images I want to take. If it dies, I'm > handicapped until it can be replaced. *IF* it can be replaced. Yep. That _if_ has held me back from frantically searching for a variety of fun older cameras. Still, the prices are tempting. So far, I've been able to resist the temptation, but I'm in serious danger of owning a large number of f/3.5 Rolleiflexes. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >Yep. That _if_ has held me back from frantically searching for a variety of >fun older cameras. > >Still, the prices are tempting. So far, I've been able to resist the >temptation, but I'm in serious danger of owning a large number of f/3.5 >Rolleiflexes. I'm constantly tempted to get a nice used FE or FE2 on eBay or at KEH. I miss that old beast. But there's that voice in my head that keeps saying, "why bother?" rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com >I dunno. I hate to lose a good tool. > >Financially I might not be out that much, but my camera budget is for >equipment that will let me take the images I want to take. If it dies, >I'm handicapped until it can be replaced. *IF* it can be replaced. You gotta do what you gotta do. If I'm heading far from home with a camera, I take gear that I trust.. and usually take some sort of backup gear (maybe not as nice as the primary.) I've rarely lost photo ops due to field failures, either with used gear or stuff I bought new. I'm not a professional, so "getting the shot" isn't a life-or-death issue for me. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com >> I dunno. I hate to lose a good tool. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > rafe b > www.terrapinphoto.com I was responding to the "if it breaks or dies, I'm not too heartbroken over it." I don't have the budget to buy stuff that's not essential to my work. Sometimes that essential item is something I can't afford to buy new. I take backup gear, and it's usually my former primary gear demoted when something better came along. And I'm not going to do the "life-or-death gotta get the shot" thingy, 'cause I want to be around to get the next shot. I have rarely had situations where the primary and the backup failed on me, and I regret the lost shots ... but I've used those instances as learning experiences. But when something dies, it *can* be a heartbreaker, because it means, if nothing else, I gotta shell out for a replacement. And sometimes, it means there is no replacement or not one that's financially viable. > I was responding to the "if it breaks or dies, I'm not too heartbroken > over it." > > I don't have the budget to buy stuff that's not essential to my work. > Sometimes that essential item is something I can't afford to buy new. Well, let me give an example. About 15 months ago I got a very old, well-used Pentax 67 with 105mm lens and TTL prism, for $430. It's got some dings and some brassing, but so far it's performed quite nicely. A brand new version of this kit would have set me back at least five times what I paid. So, if that old Pentax dies tomorrow, it will *still* have been $430 well spent. I'm not a pro, and none of this gear is "essential." I still have lots of other cameras to play with (but no other 6x7s.) Buying cheap used gear takes a big load off my mind. I'm always *much* more nervous and self-conscious hauling around my 10D and its L zoom lens, because I have so much more invested in it. Buying used gear gives me access to tools, toys and photo experiences that would not have been accessible with new gear. rafe b www.terrapinphoto.com I agree with you if your not a pro that you desided to buy used, but I make my living with my equipment, and I choose to buy new, call it insurence and peace of mind...knock on wood that none of my equipment has failed me on a job......and I write the equipment off at the end of the year so it works for me > I agree with you if your not a pro that you desided to buy used, but I > make my living with my equipment, and I choose to buy new, call it > insurence and peace of mind...knock on wood that none of my equipment > has failed me on a job......and I write the equipment off at the end of > the year so it works for me New equipment fails too. Do you throw out your old equipment each year and buy all new? no, I don't thow out my old equipment to buy new....my Hassys have worked out fine for me. and have not failed me yet...so why throw them out every year to buy new ? now years ago I had 500C's and sold them and bought new 503CW's......now if I need a lens or back , I'll buy new.....I don't see a problem with others buying used, but I chose to buy new to the day I retire.... been shooting full time since 1982.....new gear is what i want and get...... >i must be the idiot then....i look at it like buying a car.if you buy > used you could be getting someone elses poblem.so i buy the new and get > the warranty.....so call me stupid, but when it comes to my camera > equiment..i'll buy new.. > thats me...JMO There's no guarantee the new gear isn't going to go belly up--my brand new volkswagen needed a new transmission put in. All under warranty, but if I depended on my car the way a pro depends on his or her camera, I'd have two of them, anyway! If you think I'm calling you stupid, that's you, but your logic doesn't stand up under scrutiny. > There's no guarantee the new gear isn't going to go belly up--my > brand new volkswagen needed a new transmission put in. My 1958 Bug is still running strong. >> There's no guarantee the new gear isn't going to go belly up--my >> brand new volkswagen needed a new transmission put in. > > My 1958 Bug is still running strong. I've got 150,000 on this tdi engine, and no problems, but the fact is, new or used, problems crop up some times. You can't build tens of thousands of anything without a few problems. >> There's no guarantee the new gear isn't going to go belly up--my >> brand new volkswagen needed a new transmission put in. > > My 1958 Bug is still running strong. Yeah, at least you can be sure you'll never have to replace the water pump. ;-D > >> There's no guarantee the new gear isn't going to go belly up--my > >> brand new volkswagen needed a new transmission put in. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yeah, at least you can be sure you'll never have to replace the water > pump. ;-D My brother-in-law has a '69 Bug, but it has a 5 speed Porsche transaxle and a Type IV engine. At that, he doesn't trust it enough to take it more than 100 miles from home. On the other hand I did a 2300 mi road trip in a thirty year old Dodge truck (also a mutt-has a Clark school bus tranny) a couple of months ago. >>>> There's no guarantee the new gear isn't going to go belly up--my >>>> brand new volkswagen needed a new transmission put in. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > mi road trip in a thirty year old Dodge truck (also a mutt-has a Clark > school bus tranny) a couple of months ago. Drove a 78 MGB from Raleigh, NC to Ft. Dix in 1994. Only problem I had was a catalytic converter failure going through the Baltimore Harbor tunnel. Pulled off at the first exit and chopped the exhaust off with a hack saw. Had to drive a couple miles down the road with no muffler 'til I found a parts house & could buy a generic 4 cyl muffler, some exhaust pipe sections & clamps. Couple hours delay before I was back on the road. Well, coming back, I hit the I-395 Beltway at 4:00 pm on Friday of Memorial Day Weekend & spent the next 5 hours in first gear before I could get out of the traffic jam on I-95 south. But no other *mechanical* problems. The camera that's on the web page you posted isn't available any longer. The website is for a company that sells cameras. I don't see where you think the price of Hasselblad gear is officially going up? If you mean the price shown for a NEW camera, lens, and back then you must be diluting your thought of how much the stuff costs by looking at the price of used equipment. $4054 seems about the right price for NEW gear. > Are they dense? > > 503CW Kit w/80CFE/A12 New 4054 > http://www.gilghitelman.com/h_cameras.html > The camera that's on the web page you posted isn't available any longer. The > website is for a company that sells cameras. I don't see where you think the > price of Hasselblad gear is officially going up? If you mean the price shown > for a NEW camera, lens, and back then you must be diluting your thought of > how much the stuff costs by looking at the price of used equipment. $4054 > seems about the right price for NEW gear. IIRC Hasselblad does not publish list prices. However..... We get this Hasselblad Price : $ 4,054.00 Shipping Cost 503CW Medium Format SLR Camera Kit (Chrome) with Folding Waist Level Viewfinder, Split-Image Focusing Screen, A12 (120) Film Back and 80mm f/2.8 CFE Lens 503CW Medium Format SLR Camera Kit (Chrome, with 120 Back) Mfr # 11076 ? B&H # HA503CWK Important Notice! Estimated availability - January Availability : Approx. Arrival January from http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=search&Q=&ci=5499 which leads me to believe this is indeed correct. nathantw wrote: > The camera that's on the web page you posted isn't available any longer. > The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > how much the stuff costs by looking at the price of used equipment. $4054 > seems about the right price for NEW gear. IIRC Hasselblad does not publish list prices. However..... We get this Hasselblad Price : $ 4,054.00 Shipping Cost 503CW Medium Format SLR Camera Kit (Chrome) with Folding Waist Level Viewfinder, Split-Image Focusing Screen, A12 (120) Film Back and 80mm f/2.8 CFE Lens 503CW Medium Format SLR Camera Kit (Chrome, with 120 Back) Mfr # 11076 · B&H # HA503CWK Important Notice! Estimated availability - January Availability : Approx. Arrival January from http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=NavBar&A=search&Q=&ci=5499 which leads me to believe this is indeed correct. It's a rip off, and would be even if it was the only camera on earth--they aren't _that_ good. >Are they dense? No, they are not dense at all. The final production of Hasselblad camera bodies took place some months ago. The company has had to finance the cost of production and storage, so it is no surprise that a "new" Hasselblad body costs more than it did when they were in near-continuous production. It is not impossible that a new batch might be produced in the future, but it is unlikely. Current stocks should be enough for several years, by which time demand should have almost evaporated. The company would much prefer you to buy an H3D which is not even made by Hasselblad, being a Fuji product, including the lenses. > Are they dense? > > 503CW Kit w/80CFE/A12 New 4054 > http://www.gilghitelman.com/h_cameras.html Time to check the currency rates. In october 1 USD was 7.35 Swedish Crowns, now it is around 6.80. -- Lassi > Are they dense? > > 503CW Kit w/80CFE/A12 New 4054 > http://www.gilghitelman.com/h_cameras.html It just gets better and better. Very cool. |
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