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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Medium format / October 2006Photography forum
Forgive me if I am overstepping the boundaries posting this her. Im new to Groups. I am writing to let you know of a Photography Forum I have started to help everybody from the seasoned Professional to the Amateur first picking up a camera. Covering everything from weddings to Landscapes and everything in between. I have started a forum on my website at www.photography-forum.org . It's quite basic at the moment but I feel it has all the necessary sections to help most photographers. There is a suggestions page that hopefully will let me know what people want. We currently have 1000 members and the forum has over 350 new messages per day. I started my career as have many other "pro" photographers I know at the local camera club. Then went to college and gained the qualifications I needed. I have now been a professional photographer for 8 years and I remember first starting on my journey into photography. I had loads of questions but nobody to ask them. I read as much as I could but most of the magazines used to cover the same topics over and over again. I was lucky I managed to assist a professional photographer for a couple of years before I "Took the Plunge". It's the best move I have ever made. There is no registration fee or monthly subscription I am doing this purely because business has given me and my family so much that I thought it was time to put something back in. Sounds a bit corny but it's the truth. I am trying to get as many "like minded people" into the forum so we can share our knowledge and experiences and hopefully all improve. Please have a look at the forum and maybe, if you like it recommend it to your colleagues. I hope it is of help. > Forgive me if I am overstepping the boundaries posting this her. Im > new > > to Groups. So you are competent enough to set up a forum, but claim to be new to Groups even though you appear to have been using them regularly since 1999, mostly to try and promote your own personal interests, and you also seem to know that you might be "overstepping the boundaries posting this her" This reply from you was copied from aus.photo, when someone else there pointed out you have been posting in newsgroups since 1999. <Quote> Sorry i did post messages in 1999 but I promise you Im not an intentional spammer. The forumis 1 year old and everything I have said is true. please if you have time have a look - you dont have to register. Everybody there does say what a different feel the forum has. Not all about ego stroking and the Big "I AMS" </Quote> So everything you say is true? Is that apart from being new to newsgroups, and not being an intentional spammer. You are a spammer, and you are lying again to promote your services, which should be enough reason for most people to avoid you, or your services, at all costs. Not a bad pitch for a spammer. > Not a bad pitch for a spammer. Whilst I appreciate that I have posted this message on a few groups i would like to clarify what a spammer is. I do admit wanting as many people to visit the forum and to register as i can. But !! Surely a spammer is somebody who mass emails for personal gain ?? The forum is totally free of charge - no registration fee - no membership fee. In fact the forum costs me a pretty penny every year. Of which I recoup non !! So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. Sorry if you feel differently. > So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to > benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. I have never heard a spammer actually admit to spamming, so no surprise that you don't consider yourself one. Let me try and explain to make it clearer for you. Spammers come in many guises, one variation is the type that spams newsgroups to try and get others to visit their websites offering an innocuous service, where surprise, surprise, they have an advert at the top of the first page for their own commercial services, you know the sort of thing, a link to something like advertising wedding photography, cars, packages, framing etc. but I'm sure you wouldn't do that, would you? > > So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to > > benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > something like advertising wedding photography, cars, packages, framing > etc. but I'm sure you wouldn't do that, would you? Yes my link is at the top but just the same way I let everybody else link their websites. To be honest in the 12 months of the forum I have given away masses more jobs than I have recieved. If I then take into account my hours spent administering the forum this has to be the worst business decision of my life. I can promise you the forum is in no way a money making machine for me - that is the truth. You call it an "innocuous service" - believe me the members dont think that it is. Never once have my services been plugged on the forum. I am sorry that you have the cynical view that everything is for a reason. I can assure you this is not. Maybe if you yourself joined and had a look around you would see that the tone of the forum is something completly different than the norm. There are probably 15 members from my local area so you would assume its not the best method of advertising a wedding photographer. The vast majority are from around the country and probably 30% are from abroad. Not the most direct advertising ? Im sure Im not going to convince you otherwise because you sound like you have had issues with spammers in the past - as have we all !! but all I can say is I posted this message in good faith and hoped it would be taken that way. > Im sure Im not going to convince you otherwise because you sound like > you have had issues with spammers in the past - as have we all !! but > all I can say is I posted this message in good faith and hoped it > would > be taken that way. You are not going to convince me because you started off with a blatant lie, which in my opinion was the equivalent of a double glazing salesman, standing on my doorstep with an armful of brochures, staring at a clearly displayed notice on my door stating 'No Sales' and 'No Canvassers', and telling me "don't worry I'm not selling anything". If you heard the response they get from me, you would realise that I have been very restrained in my replies to your post. > > Im sure Im not going to convince you otherwise because you sound like > > you have had issues with spammers in the past - as have we all !! but [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you heard the response they get from me, you would realise that I have > been very restrained in my replies to your post. Thanks for your restraint Harry ?? I know understand fully where you are and your attitude. I cant waste any more time trying to convice you, i have tried to be civil but its obviously wasted on you.. Too many reasonable people in the world to worry about the others. I thought i would give you the link to the the forum one more time. www.photography-forum.org/nochance If the link doesnt work for you Harry .............. Perfect !!!! > > Not a bad pitch for a spammer. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Sorry if you feel differently. The fact that your replying probably makes you not a spammer, however some may not see it this way.  SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com > > > Not a bad pitch for a spammer. > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > www.gregblankphoto.com Thanks for your vote of confidence Greg. Some cracking shots on your website by the way !!. Martin >> So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to >> benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The fact that your replying probably makes you not a spammer, however > some may not see it this way. Have a look at the following link to see if you still feel the same:- http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/search?hl=en&q=martin@wedding-photography.org& qt_s=Search Scroll through some of the groups he has posted to, including rec.scuba October 11th. Check the 'Wedding Photographer' title in July 1999. Check 'The one stop Wedding Service' title in September 2002 Check the 'My Photography Forum' title in November 2005 where he has just added a new forum to his website. This is the same person that opened this thread with <Quote> Forgive me if I am overstepping the boundaries posting this her. Im new to Groups </Quote> If he is not a spammer, then why try and hide his intentions by posting blatant lies? He might appear amiable, (until pressed), but he is still a spammer. > >> So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to > >> benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > blatant lies? He might appear amiable, (until pressed), but he is still > a spammer. Hi harry. Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 1999 2 2002 1 2005 2 Just thought I would copy and paste my groups posting acivity from 1999 to 2005. I promise this is a copy and past - not that you will believe me as you have made your intentions perfectly clear. 5 posts in 6 years - not the most productive spammer in the world. >> >> So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to >> >> benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > 5 posts in 6 years - not the most productive spammer in the world. I see that you have left out at least 12 posts in 2006, with 8 of those being this month, but nice of you to admit that you are a spammer. I would have had no problem with your post here if you had been honest and up front from the start, with something like 'Hello all, I have a photography forum on such_a_link where you might find something of interest to you, so if you have a few minutes to spare, please pop over and have a look', but for you to deliberately lie, and attempt to deceive people in several newsgroups,.has to leave me wondering what sort of person is hiding behind that friendly exterior. > >> >> So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to > >> >> benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > deceive people in several newsgroups,.has to leave me wondering what > sort of person is hiding behind that friendly exterior. Hey Harry, Stemmy is fine. Really, think about it. You've been nothing but an accusatory a.shole to him, and he hasn't reacted in kind one iota. Why would that leave you "wondering what sort of person is hiding behind that friendly exterior."? Your actions, on the other hand, doesn't leave us wondering what kind of person you are at all. The phrase "up tight" comes to mind. "Axe to grind" and "pet-peeve ridden" are right there, too. > >> >> So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to > >> >> benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > deceive people in several newsgroups,.has to leave me wondering what > sort of person is hiding behind that friendly exterior. I could say exactly the same thing harry. Throughout this whole conversation I have been nothing but polite but have only recieved a tirade of abuse and constant character assasinations from you. Which I feel have been totally unpravoked. I did a little Harry Stottle search myself. Wow you seem to have arguments with lots of people on these groups. You know I dont feel bad at all now. I then did a Harry Stottle search on google. Second link was Harry Stottle on a forum. What was next to his name - BANNED !!. You know what Harry it has been great having this discussion with you and Im sure you have given every reader of this thread a great insight into Harry Stottle. I have tried to be polite - didnt work !! You have been offensive, obstinate, and most of the time down right rude. For some reason you have been trying to insinuate that I am , for some reason a nasty person who just needs uncovering. I think people will make their own judgements who the Jeckyl and Hide is from what they have read. This will be my last post in this thread as I have wasted too much time already trying to talk to somebody who is blatently trying to be argumentative. History shows that I am not the first that has had the Harry treatment. Sorry Harry but your attempts to uncover the "person is hiding behind that friendly exterior" hasnt worked. maybe a bit of self reflection migh not go a miss. I am assuming that you are now going to reply to this post with another string of abuse. Whilst you are writing it Harry please consider who has been the instigater of all the bad feeling during this thread. Life is too short Harry. > > >> >> So I wouldnt call myself a spammer I just want as many people to > > >> >> benefit from what is a superb FREE forum. [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Life is too short Harry. Wow !! more members of the Harry Stottle fan club !!! Thanks for the comments. > Harry Stottle wrote:. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I then did a Harry Stottle search on google. Second link was Harry > Stottle on a forum. What was next to his name - BANNED !!. I have never used the alias Harry Stottle in any forum, so you are barking up the wrong tree there, and I have certainly never been banned from posting in any forum under any name. There also appear to be several Harry Stottles posting on various other sites, but again, none of them are me, unless it is a site linked to newsgroup messages that I have posted using the alias Harry Stottle. On the newsgroups that I do subscribe to, I try and contribute useful input, help others with problems, and support the idea of newsgroups in general as a means of sharing information. Most of the arguments I have in newsgroups tend to be with people that abuse those groups, give bad advice, or try and use the newsgroups as a means of self promotion. Looking back through your posts in newsgroups, the only posts you have ever made are about either your business interests, or about visiting your forum, so it is obvious for everyone to see that you have no interest in newsgroups other than to promote your own personal interests. As regards character assassination, a more correct term would be character suicide, brought about by your attempt to try and treat newsgroup members like idiots, by lying to them and trying to deceive them. It is not me that lied to those groups, it was you, and if you don't like it being pointed out, then tough, perhaps it will make you think twice before doing it again, but don't try and pass the blame on to me for your own mistakes. > > Harry Stottle wrote:. > >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > think twice before doing it again, but don't try and pass the blame on > to me for your own mistakes. Im sorry Harry but if you read the previous posts in this thread the only finger pointing seems to be at you my friend. > I have never used the alias Harry Stottle in any forum, [...] >[...] none > of them are me, unless it is a site linked to newsgroup messages that I > have posted using the alias Harry Stottle. What? > > I have never used the alias Harry Stottle in any forum, [...] > >[...] none > > of them are me, unless it is a site linked to newsgroup messages that I > > have posted using the alias Harry Stottle. > > What? MMmmmm I thought that too. If you were thinking of an alias - "Harry Stottle" would be the first thing that jumped into your head. > If you were thinking of an alias - "Harry > Stottle" would be the first thing that jumped into your head. Why? I think Capt. Long John applies to me better ;) SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com >> I have never used the alias Harry Stottle in any forum, [...] >>[...] none >> of them are me, unless it is a site linked to newsgroup messages that I >> have posted using the alias Harry Stottle. > >What? October 16, 2006, from Lloyd Erlick, I had little interest in this thread until I read this. I have to add my own "What?" and along with it, "Huh?". As an aside -- I too use Usenet to promote my website. In my humble experience, the best way to do so is to take part in discussions in a meaningful way. People get to know you, and eventually decide to look at your website. regards, --le ________________________________ Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. website: www.heylloyd.com telephone: 416-686-0326 email: portrait@heylloyd.com ________________________________ -- > has to leave me wondering what > sort of person is hiding behind that friendly exterior. Don't look at personal motivations so close and you"ll be happier, at least you know where he can be found and he is replying to you here as opposed to the countless idiots that post crap and hide. If you don't like his forum don't subscribe. As long as he doesn't continue advertising I won't be killfiling him. SignatureReality-Is finding that perfect picture and never looking back. www.gregblankphoto.com i joined the group..and what i have seen and read so far its a up right photo forum....a lot to learn and the people are very helpful and friendly......i'm giving it a try....in the few days that i have been on it i got alot of help from people all over the world....found were to get albums cheeper and film and how to shoot certin things at wedding that i would never of thought of , but will be tring...they also have photo contests....all in all its more then what i thought it would be....go in take a look..what do you have to loose, just to look Wayne Mirror Image Photogrphy Milwaukee, WI. > i joined the group..and what i have seen and read so far its a up right > photo forum....a lot to learn and the people are very helpful and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Mirror Image Photogrphy > Milwaukee, WI. Thanks Wayne !!!!!!!!! Cheques in the post - lol !!! |
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