I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I have a
chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition for around
$135 dollars. I was wondering how this Ikonta would stack up against a Fuji
GS645 with a 60mm lens. I know that the Fuji is newer and that the lens is
wider, but the Fuji is almost three time as much money. I have heard good
things about the Tessar lens. Any feedback would be appreciated. Matt
David J. Littleboy - 22 Dec 2004 05:43 GMT
> I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I have a
> chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition for around
> $135 dollars. I was wondering how this Ikonta would stack up against a Fuji
> GS645 with a 60mm lens. I know that the Fuji is newer and that the lens is
> wider, but the Fuji is almost three time as much money. I have heard good
> things about the Tessar lens. Any feedback would be appreciated. Matt
The Fuji is the sharpest lens I own. It's seriously amazing: I've never seen
anything that even hints of softness at any f stop. The Tessar sharpens up
nicely by f/11 or so, but really isn't in the same class. (I've had problems
with soft corners with my 'Flex Tessar.)
The problem with the Fuji is that it's not a rugged camera and doesn't fold.
So for backpacking, you really ought to have it in a hard case/box, and
that's getting quite bulky compared to the folders.
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Roy Mock - 22 Dec 2004 06:24 GMT
>> I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I have a
>> chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition for
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> So for backpacking, you really ought to have it in a hard case/box, and
> that's getting quite bulky compared to the folders.
I saw a doco on TV during the year on Adams. Boy! ... that he lugged his
gear from place to place is as awe inspiring as his images.
Cheers.
rafe bustin - 22 Dec 2004 06:40 GMT
>I saw a doco on TV during the year on Adams. Boy! ... that he lugged his
>gear from place to place is as awe inspiring as his images.
Not to denigrate his work or anything but I've
heard it said a lot of his pix were taken from
a flatbed truck off the side of the road.
I wasn't there so I don't know, just some
scuttlebut I heard from somewhere, maybe one
of these blasted rec.photo groups.
So it must be true.
rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com
David J. Littleboy - 22 Dec 2004 07:06 GMT
> >I saw a doco on TV during the year on Adams. Boy! ... that he lugged his
> >gear from place to place is as awe inspiring as his images.
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> of these blasted rec.photo groups.
> So it must be true.
You guys could read his autobiography and/or the bio his assistant wrote...
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
Dutchy - 22 Dec 2004 19:20 GMT
> You guys could read his autobiography and/or the bio his assistant wrote...
...Or Camera and Lens (Book 1 of the Basic Photography series) It shows a
platform built on to the roof of his International Harvester Travelall.
"This platform bed is a single piece of aluminum plate
(diamond pattern)... Heavy Marine plywood is adequate"

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Chris Brown - 22 Dec 2004 12:28 GMT
>The Fuji is the sharpest lens I own. It's seriously amazing: I've never seen
>anything that even hints of softness at any f stop. The Tessar sharpens up
>nicely by f/11 or so, but really isn't in the same class. (I've had problems
>with soft corners with my 'Flex Tessar.)
Also, IME, folders quite often aren't able to position the lens and film
relative to each other sufficiently well to do a good lens justice. I've
been getting some nice results from folders with Tessar type lenses, but all
of them are blown away by a TLR with a similar lens.
Not tried a 645 folder though. It may be that the smaller film area makes
the tolerances easier, YMMV.
Stacey - 22 Dec 2004 06:50 GMT
> I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I have a
> chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition for
> around $135 dollars. I was wondering how this Ikonta would stack up
> against a Fuji GS645 with a 60mm lens.
A couple of "issues" with the Ikonta 521. First it's a front cell focusing
lens which means it's optimized for mid range distances, not infinity.
Second it is only -realy- good at f11 and smaller. If it's a rangefinder
model, it's not a particularly light camera while the scale focusing ones
are compact/rugged and light. I take one with me cycling where weight is a
major concern.
The fuji will have superb optics, a so-so rangefinder (very small
rangefinder square) and as you said is a wider lenses more useful for
landscapes. It's not particularly rugged and is much more bulky than the
Ikonta.
Guess it boils down to, do you want to enjoy backpacking and take a good
camera along or do you want to enjoy photography and need to backpack to do
it?

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MATT WILLIAMS - 22 Dec 2004 13:59 GMT
Stacey, you hit the nail on the head. There are times I have carried up to
30 pound (most of it cameras) backpacking and taken a picture or two. There
are other times I have gone light (one small 3.2 digital) and kicked myself
as there has been great light and great shoots at every turn. I am trying to
find some sort of happy medium. I have an Agfa Isolette II with a Solinar
lens. It is a 6x6 and I was looking for a 6X4.5 size. Would the Ikonta 521
do that much better than the Agfa ? I now have a lens hood for the Agfa so
hopefully the flare problem will not be as bad. Is there another camera that
I should be considering. Thanks for the feed back. Matt
>> I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I have a
>> chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition for
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> do
> it?
Gregory Blank - 22 Dec 2004 17:45 GMT
In that regard,
I think I could be very happy with a hand held 6x9
roll film camera like the Fuji range finder cameras
which are No Longer made.
> Stacey, you hit the nail on the head. There are times I have carried up to
> 30 pound (most of it cameras) backpacking and taken a picture or two. There
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> hopefully the flare problem will not be as bad. Is there another camera that
> I should be considering. Thanks for the feed back. Matt

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jjs - 22 Dec 2004 14:04 GMT
> [...] If it's a rangefinder
> model, it's not a particularly light camera while the scale focusing ones
> are compact/rugged and light.
He's talking of the 645 model which in the Ikonta world is less than an
ounce heavier than the nonrangefinder model, and hardly larger at all. The
6x6 is a different story.
Norm Fleming - 22 Dec 2004 21:49 GMT
>> [...] If it's a rangefinder
>> model, it's not a particularly light camera while the scale focusing ones
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> ounce heavier than the nonrangefinder model, and hardly larger at all.
> The 6x6 is a different story.
Agree. The 645 is surprisingly small and light and it's worth having the
rangefinder. I have a Super Ikonta A 1948 model, interesting (and easy to
date) in that this apparently was the only year when a Tessar lens was not
fitted - instead a coated Schneider Xenar of similar 4 element design and at
least equal performance. Great images at f8 and smaller.
Bandicoot - 23 Dec 2004 01:52 GMT
> I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I
> have a chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition
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> much money. I have heard good things about the Tessar lens. Any
> feedback would be appreciated. Matt
I just recently got myself one of those Fujis, and have been looking at the
results of the first couple of rolls I put through to test it. So far, I'm
really impressed. The lens is extremely sharp, and the focal length is nice
for a lot of what I do - that alone would tend to make me favour it over the
more 'normal' AoV of the Ikonta.
It is a lot bigger than an Ikonta, but amazingly light and with excellent
ergonomics. Easy to hand hold, and fast to operate. The rangefinder was a
lot better than I expected, after hearing everyone bad-mouthing it: I find
it is fine in any but very low light, when I wouldn't (personally) be using
this camera anyway.
I didn't think I'd like 645 much, and got the GS645S as an experiment,
thinking it would be a poor substitute to use only when I didn't have any
'real' MF gear with me. But so far I think it is a lot better than that.
I'll say again, I'm _very_ impressed with the lens.
(Promptly went and got myself a G690, partly on the basis of how much I
liked its 'baby brother'.)
Peter
Frank Pittel - 24 Dec 2004 21:03 GMT
While they're not 6x4.5 you may want to go to Ebay and do a search on Russian
folding camera. They are the best kept secret in photography!!
: I am looking for a light weight 6x4.5 MF camera for backpacking. I have a
: chance at a Ikonta 521 with a Tessar lens in excellent condition for around
: $135 dollars. I was wondering how this Ikonta would stack up against a Fuji
: GS645 with a 60mm lens. I know that the Fuji is newer and that the lens is
: wider, but the Fuji is almost three time as much money. I have heard good
: things about the Tessar lens. Any feedback would be appreciated. Matt

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