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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Medium format / November 2004Quest for handheld medium format
And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. And I want a meter that's easy to use. I know, I'm high maintenance... ;-) The Pentax 67 really isn't hand holdable, except at 250th and higher (or so I've heard in numerous posts). I'm still seriously considering a Mamiya 7II, but think it's overpriced (I'm saving for large format, too), and not the easiest to focus, and the rangefinder needs relatively frequent adjustments (relative to any other quality rangefinder I've heard of). What I'm considering now is a Fuji GWS690 III with a clipon voigtlander vc meter: http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet2.htm What do you all think?  SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com Go with the Fuji. In any of it's 6x7 or 6x9 configurations, it's a great camera with a superb lens. Light, rugged, simple, (relatively) cheap, and great optics. I use mine with an incident meter, and handhold it most of the time. >And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like >it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >What do you all think? > The Pentax 67 really isn't hand holdable, except at 250th and higher (or so > I've heard in numerous posts). That's incorrect. The "hand holdability" depends in part on the focal length of the lens. While I almost always use a tripod myself, I have hand held with the 105mm lens at 1/60 with excellent results. I've probably used shorter focal lengths at longer speeds than that but I don't remember for sure. The meter in the TTL prism is very easy to use. However, if your plans are to never use a tripod, always hand hold, then I wouldn't recommend the P67. While it can be used by hand I think that would get tiring after a while. I just wouldn't reject the camera out of hand because somebody mistakenly told you it can't be hand held at speeds longer than 1/250. . > And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like > it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > What do you all think? >> The Pentax 67 really isn't hand holdable, except at 250th and higher (or > so [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> Matt Clara >> www.mattclara.com Very true. I have had a 6x7 since 1979 and with the wooden handgrip as a crutch it is very hand-holdable. certainly tripods are better if you want great depth of field with slower films, but I've had great success hand holding it and the prints at 16x20 are gorgeous. SignatureMichael |Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! >And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like >it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. >And I want a meter that's easy to use. I know, I'm high maintenance... ;-) If you can live with 6*6, I've found TLRs to be extremely hand-holdable, getting sharp results hand-held right down to 1/30. Some of them even have centre-weighted average metering. I believe if you want to spend silly money, Rollei will sell you a brand new one with a prism finder, TTL flash metering and all sorts of goodies. Still, I'm personally lusting after a Mamiya 7II > And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like > it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Matt Clara > www.mattclara.com You might try to find a Plaubel Makina, though the price might be near what a Fuji rangefinder costs. One of those would also require a separate light meter. There are also some unusual 6x12 and 6x17 cameras out there, often made to order. Not really low cost in most cases, but 6x12 could be used hand held. The Bronica GS is a 6x7 that is slightly lighter than your RB67. They are fairly low priced currently. Unfortunately, they are also bulky SLRs, so it might not be a comfortable camera for you to use hand held. Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com Just add the L Grip and you can handhold the RB with moderate lens at a decent shutter speed. I do so with the RZ with no problems. > And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like > it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > What do you all think? > Just add the L Grip and you can handhold the RB with moderate lens at a > decent shutter speed. I do so with the RZ with no problems. I agree with Tony, I too have used the "L handle" on my RB67 down to 1/30 and gotten clear photos for what it;s worth I love my RB67 larry >> Just add the L Grip and you can handhold the RB with moderate lens at a >> decent shutter speed. I do so with the RZ with no problems. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for what it;s worth I love my RB67 > larry I like it, too, and do use it handheld, but you guys misunderstand me completely. In addition to my RB67, I want medium format that is (relatively) small, discreet, easy to handle, and easy to focus. The RB67 fits none of those descriptions. SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com > >> Just add the L Grip and you can handhold the RB with moderate lens at a > >> decent shutter speed. I do so with the RZ with no problems. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (relatively) small, discreet, easy to handle, and easy to focus. The RB67 > fits none of those descriptions. 6x6? Then how about a Zeiss Ikon Nettar? The Novar lens should perform well (except in the corners) and only about $15 on ebay. Focuusing is as easy as twisting a front element and it is small, discreet and will fold away to fit into your pocket. Then why didn't you ask for that in your original post? My response would be a Mamiya 6 or 7. The 6 is 6x6, but should make little difference with a high quality scan or print. If you think the 7 is overpriced, remember that you get what you pay for. There is always the Bronica 645, but they seem to be getting out of the business and support could be hard to find in the future. >>>Just add the L Grip and you can handhold the RB with moderate lens at a >>>decent shutter speed. I do so with the RZ with no problems. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (relatively) small, discreet, easy to handle, and easy to focus. The RB67 > fits none of those descriptions. > Then why didn't you ask for that in your original post? Oh, I don't know, I guess I thought "And I own an RB67, and like it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use," sort of covered that... > My response would be a Mamiya 6 or 7. Ok, I went and bought a 6 just tonight. SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com > And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like > it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least 6x7. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > What do you all think? So, only one person will speak in favor of the Fuji rangefinders? SignatureRegards, Matt Clara www.mattclara.com I took my Fuji 6X7 rangefinder along on my walk this morning and got a couple of great shots of "frost on the pumpkin." Had my handy Sekonic 508 in incident mode tucked into my parka pocket, and developed the film when I got back. Great negs, as always with that beast that I hardly knew I had on my shoulder. It's the only 6X7 I know that's meant for handholding. The Pentax is handholdable with fast film and a 105 or shorter lens, (I had one for years, so I know it well) and you do need a steady hand. The mirror flop is tremendous in that camera, which is why most people use it on a tripod. > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >So, only one person will speak in favor of the Fuji rangefinders? > So, only one person will speak in favor of the Fuji rangefinders? Other than the funky B/T bit, I've never heard anyone complain about the Fujis. The main problem with them is that you probably won't be able to find one. Of course, that means that if you buy one and don't like it, you will be able to sell it easily, so there's no reason not to buy one if you find one. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan > > And no, I don't want one of the old folders. And I own an RB67, and like > > it, but it's no 35mm slr in terms of ease of use. And I want at least [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > So, only one person will speak in favor of the Fuji rangefinders? They have got a very good reputation. You won't be able to buy one, though, as they have stopped making them and nobody is going to let theirs go as it is the last and greatest of the 6x9 wide-angle rangefinders. > What I'm considering now is a Fuji GWS690 III with a clipon voigtlander vc > meter: > http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet2.htm That's a great camera.. SignatureStacey > > What I'm considering now is a Fuji GWS690 III with a clipon voigtlander vc > > meter: > > http://www.cameraquest.com/voivcmet2.htm > > That's a great camera.. Seconded. I have the GSW 690III and I'm searching many months now for the GW 690 - both are extremely easy and handholdable medium format cameras, with great lenses. Regards from Athens, Nick Fotis > Seconded. > I have the GSW 690III and I'm searching many months now for the GW 690 - [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards from Athens, > Nick Fotis I got a GW 690 III (a superb camera) and I'm searching for the GSW 690 III. Can we trade? ;-) Best regards from Italy > I got a GW 690 III (a superb camera) and I'm searching for the GSW 690 III. > Can we trade? ;-) There are more GSW690 III available in Ebay, while GW690 seems more of an unusual animal. It seems that many people get easily bored of the 28mm-equivalent angle of view, while the 'more normal' 39mm-equivalent GW is more easily used in typical scenes. At any rate, I never declared that I'm throwing away the GSW, I'm just wishing to complement it (wish that Fuji had made available a 200mm version of this design...) Regards from Athens, N.F > I got a GW 690 III (a superb camera) and I'm searching for the GSW 690 III. > Can we trade? ;-) > Best regards from Italy Look at Ebay. For example: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=710&item=3854871342&rd=1& ssPageName=WDVW It was at 260 UK pounds when I looked. Nick Fotis > Look at Ebay. For example: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=710&item=3854871342&rd=1& ssPageName=WDVW > > It was at 260 UK pounds when I looked. > > Nick Fotis Thanks a lot :-) Regards Magister >What do you all think? http://www.fujirangefinder.com/ SignatureDavid > >What do you all think? > > http://www.fujirangefinder.com/ Good link - some very nice work there. Peter |
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