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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Medium format / October 2004Film is Dead... or is it?
.......no, it is yep no doubt about it > .......no, it is yep no doubt about it I just lost nearly a year's worth of photos taken with my digital camera when my SmartMedia card got corrupted. I wish I had all those shots on slide film. I wonder how well a digital camera would work in a tropical rainforest. >I wonder how well a digital camera would work in a tropical >rainforest. I took a D30 into one a few years ago (and boy did it show me why it's called a "rain" forest). Got some nice shots, just had to be careful. The camera is, to the best of my knowledge, still working perfectly. >>I wonder how well a digital camera would work in a tropical >>rainforest. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The camera is, to the best of my knowledge, still working perfectly. A faculty member borrowed an Olympus 8080 from me for his trip to Mongolia. He came back saying "It stopped working. I plugged it in to charge, and it got REAL BRIGHT for a second and stopped working." Oy. I'm sending him out with a film camera next time. > A faculty member borrowed an Olympus 8080 from me for his trip to > Mongolia. He came back saying "It stopped working. I plugged it in to > charge, and it got REAL BRIGHT for a second and stopped working." Oy. I'm > sending him out with a film camera next time. Mongolia, 220 volt power grid? 110 volt charger? > > A faculty member borrowed an Olympus 8080 from me for his trip to > > Mongolia. He came back saying "It stopped working. I plugged it in to > > charge, and it got REAL BRIGHT for a second and stopped working." Oy. I'm > > sending him out with a film camera next time. > > Mongolia, 220 volt power grid? 110 volt charger? AFAIK, modern battery-powered gadgets (digicams, phones, PDAs, ...) come with chargers that autodetect input voltage. The usual allowed input range is 100V to 240V. -- Lassi Lassi Hippeläinen wrote: >>>A faculty member borrowed an Olympus 8080 from me for his trip to >>>Mongolia. He came back saying "It stopped working. I plugged it in to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > with chargers that autodetect input voltage. The usual allowed input > range is 100V to 240V. They don't detect anyhting. A transformer knocks the voltage down and then goes to a rectifier and on to DC-DC converter (which has a pretty wide input voltage range, eg: 6 - 32 volts. The output is of course always the spec'd DC level. As an example: a 240 VAC would get scaled down (for example) to 30VAC, and 100V would get scaled down to 12.5VAC (transformer ratio of 8:1) . Rectify it and either is enough for the DC-DC converter to work, and the required voltage comes out the other side. Cheers, Alan  Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- > A faculty member borrowed an Olympus 8080 from me for his trip to Mongolia. > He came back saying "It stopped working. I plugged it in to charge, and it > got REAL BRIGHT for a second and stopped working." Oy. I'm sending him out > with a film camera next time. Make sure you don't lend him any accessories that plug in -- he probably plugged the little 120V wall wart into a 230-240V local supply with an appropriate adapter that didn't include voltage conversion... :( SignatureThe challenge to the photographer is to command the medium, to use whatever current equipment and technology furthers his creative objectives, without sacrificing the ability to make his own decisions. -- Ansel Adams Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer http://silent1.home.netcom.com Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. >>.......no, it is yep no doubt about it > > I just lost nearly a year's worth of photos taken with my digital > camera when my SmartMedia card got corrupted. I wish I had all those > shots on slide film. "a year's <sic> worth?" Hmm, don't use that digital much do you? Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- > >>.......no, it is yep no doubt about it > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Hmm, don't use that digital much do you? I only keep the shots I particularly like. Sometimes I try a range of exposures and light temperatures and only keep the one that comes out the best. I have not been able to download to a computer for a year and so kept them all on a Smartmedia card. When I did download, the card reader corrupted the Smartmedia card and I lost a lot of the images. The one I was most pleased with was not affected, however. That was a snow scene in the Englisher Garden in Munich. An outstanding shot, in my humble opinion, that is now my PC wallpaper. Want a copy? If so e-mail me. It's about a half megabyte. "RolandRB" <rolandberry@hotmail.com> wrote in message >Sometimes I try a range of exposures and light temperatures and only keep the one that comes out > the best. I have not been able to download to a computer for a year > and so kept them all on a Smartmedia card. and The one I was most pleased with was not affected, however. > That was a snow scene in the Englisher Garden in Munich. An > outstanding shot, in my humble opinion, that is now my PC wallpaper. You said you kept all your images on your card for a year? Let me get this straight--you viewed them only on your camera's LCD screen all this time? And you said you can't download to a PC but you were able to create and use one of the shots (that you presumably couldn't download) as wallpaper? What does any of your post have to do with a film group--and a medium format one at that? Are you messing with our heads? > What does any of your post have to do with a film group--and a medium format > one at that? Medium format, yes. But film? I thought it was about photographic equipment. And since digital thingies are that too... We'll have to redefine "medium-format" one day soon though. How? Sensor size? Or camera "pedigree"? > > What does any of your post have to do with a film group--and a medium > format [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But film? I thought it was about photographic equipment. And since digital > thingies are that too... So what back do you have for your Hassie that takes of all benighted things a Smart Media Card? > We'll have to redefine "medium-format" one day soon though. > How? Sensor size? Or camera "pedigree"? About the time there's a sensor that is 6 cm by 6 cm, there will be a medium format digital camera. > About the time there's a sensor that is 6 cm by 6 cm, there will be a > medium format digital camera. Mamiya are coming out with a digital 645. I don't think it was quite 645 but it was bigger than full frame 35mm by a fair bit. Pete > > About the time there's a sensor that is 6 cm by 6 cm, there will be a > > medium format digital camera. > > Mamiya are coming out with a digital 645. I don't think it was quite 645 > but it was bigger than full frame 35mm by a fair bit. 36x48mm Google on Mamiya + ZD http://www.mamiya-op.co.jp/home/camera/news_contents/indexzd.html Something like 4000 x 5333 pixels, 100 RAW images on a 4GB card. Removable low-pass filter, which implies that it may be a separate purchase. A Bayer sensor without a LPF is a seriously bad idea, (Any sensor without a LPF is a bad idea (due to the mathematics of digital imaging), but it's even worse with Bayer) so it's good that it's at least an option. The back won't work on the 645 Pro. Sigh. It will be interesting to see it compared head to head with the 1Dsmk2. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan >>>About the time there's a sensor that is 6 cm by 6 cm, there will be a >>>medium format digital camera. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 36x48mm Twice the 35mm frame, but it seems that some people still believe even in 35mm: http://www.zeiss.de/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewTopNewsAllE/1A30F92F41D05AB4C1256F1C 002E544A?OpenDocument A new rangefinder system from Zeiss, and it is called Zeiss Ikon, not Contax! Not made by Kyocera? An initeresting detail: "Long-time Carl Zeiss partner, Victor Hasselblad AB (Sweden), will take over worldwide (except Japan) distribution for the Zeiss Ikon camera system." "Except Japan"??? Why do the letters F, U, J, and I float in my mind? -- Lassi Lassi Hippel?inen wrote: > Twice the 35mm frame, but it seems that some people still believe even > in 35mm: http://www.zeiss.de/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewTopNewsAllE/1A30F92F41D05AB4C125 6F1C002E544A?OpenDocument > A new rangefinder system from Zeiss, and it is called Zeiss Ikon, not > Contax! Not made by Kyocera? Cosina. Cosina already makes rangefinders. Zeiss only needs to make lenses. And they do so in Leica mount. ;-) > An initeresting detail: "Long-time Carl Zeiss partner, Victor Hasselblad > AB (Sweden), will take over worldwide (except Japan) distribution for > the Zeiss Ikon camera system." > > "Except Japan"??? Why do the letters F, U, J, and I float in my mind? C. O. S. I. N. A. ? ;-) > > Twice the 35mm frame, but it seems that some people still believe even > > in 35mm: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > C. O. S. I. N. A. ? > ;-) Some lenses will be made by the Voigtländer division of Cosina, though those same lenses will not be offered as Cosina, nor as Voigtländer. Anyone who has actually handled or used a modern Voigtländer lens should have absolutely no problem with the quality of construction. I do think it is a little funny that Zeiss once owned the Voigtländer name, got rid of it, and now is collaborating with a company licensing the name. Fuji Optical Industries is currently the anticipated distributor of the upcoming Zeiss Ikon system in Japan. The thought is that it would sell alongside the TX-1 and the Fuji version of the H1 Hasselblad. In other words, it would appear much like a Hasselblad display anywhere else in the world. Shriro is listed directly as the Zeiss Ikon distributor in many countries. It seems that Shriro is more behind the Zeiss Ikon and Hasselblad distribution idea, than some historical significance of past Hasselblad practices. Again, I think that can only enhance the appeal of all these camera systems. While I think this helps the Hasselblad brand recognition, I think it is a little sad that the V series is all that really remains of true Hasselblad cameras. The Xpan and H1 are Fuji products, though they are quite good systems. I really wonder if we will see anything new come out of Sweden. Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com > While I think this helps the Hasselblad brand recognition, I think it is a > little sad that the V series is all that really remains of true Hasselblad > cameras. The Xpan and H1 are Fuji products, though they are quite good systems. > I really wonder if we will see anything new come out of Sweden. I still wonder where you guys got the idea that the H1 was a Fuji product. Contact Hasselblad, and do ask how much of it is a Swedish product. >> What does any of your post have to do with a film group--and a medium > format [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > But film? I thought it was about photographic equipment. And since digital > thingies are that too... Film is photographic equipment. Digital thingies are digital thingies. > We'll have to redefine "medium-format" one day soon though. No we won't. Nick > Film is photographic equipment. Digital thingies are digital thingies. Choke me in the shallow water... before I get too deep. rafe b. http://www.terrapinphoto.com >>>>.......no, it is yep no doubt about it >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Want a copy? If so e-mail me. It's about a half megabyte. Sure, my mangled e-mail address is below. Just remove the free lunch. alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- >> .......no, it is yep no doubt about it > > I just lost nearly a year's worth of photos taken with my digital > camera when my SmartMedia card got corrupted. [...] I work with digital media all day, and have a constituency of about 8,000 users. I hear the same, "I lost my pictures", but more often it is, "I can't FIND my pictures!" > I wonder how well a digital camera would work in a tropical > rainforest. Interesting is it not that even early traditional film cameras had a special Tropical version. Talk about a nasty environment... well, some of them. I had no problems in Trinidad with my old film camaeras. > I work with digital media all day, and have a constituency of about 8,000 > users. I hear the same, "I lost my pictures", but more often it is, "I can't > FIND my pictures!" The only differences between "lost" and "can't find" is that "can't find" is still taking up space, somewhere -- and someone else might be able to find the "can't find" pictures for you. SignatureThe challenge to the photographer is to command the medium, to use whatever current equipment and technology furthers his creative objectives, without sacrificing the ability to make his own decisions. -- Ansel Adams Donald Qualls, aka The Silent Observer http://silent1.home.netcom.com Opinions expressed are my own -- take them for what they're worth and don't expect them to be perfect. In message <10nd52jnn83job4@news.supernews.com>, jjs <jj@jj.jj> writes >Interesting is it not that even early traditional film cameras had a special >Tropical version. Talk about a nasty environment... OK, so it's not MF, but my Canon WP-1 does a cracking job at coping with water, mud, steam, the occasional blood spill and general unpleasantness. It replaced a cheaper unit that was equally impervious, and survived repeated heavy impacts with the ground each time I fell off a dirt bike. The only reservation is that you have to open the back and reload in the dry. I'm not sure if there's a MF equivalent - anyone? Signature---------------------------- Paul Friday well, perhaps the mako shark MF camera (620) would qualify? see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/mako.html - with nifty flash; and there is the http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/nemrod.html - nemrod, if you prefer 120 rollfilm ;-) For generic MF/35mm cameras, the ewa marine camera bags are surprisingly decent, and IIRC there were some MF sized variants (I have several 35mm versions for 35mm SLR and flash, so could handle many MF RF kits too?) At the high end, I have custom housing for Hasselblad SWC/M and aluminum housing for rolleiflex (see http://medfmt.8k.com/bronrollei.html), an aluminum and glass 16mm B&H film camera setup from NASA contractor surplus, and an Ikelite 2 1/4x 2 1/4" housing (with lead weight "handle bars") see http://medfmt.8k.com/bronuw.html and I have at least half dozen 35mm SLR housings (Ikelite) for nikon F/F2 minolta SR/T, Pentax M42/K and so on, plus 110 and 126 format and 35mm cameras, and a number of Nikonos ("I", II, III..) cameras and strobe kits. fortunately, all of this stuff was tax deductible, as I used to teach beginning and advanced underwater photography courses ;-) grins bobm Signature*********************************************************************** * Robert Monaghan POB 752182 Southern Methodist Univ. Dallas Tx 75275 * ********************Standard Disclaimers Apply************************* > I just lost nearly a year's worth of photos taken with my digital > camera when my SmartMedia card got corrupted. I wish I had all those > shots on slide film. Well, my lab lost one of my films lately. Not the first time i had something go wrong with film, of course. :-( So i guess there's not much of a difference between digital or film in that respect. |
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