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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Medium format / September 2004New Hasselblad H1D
Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. And the price is............. > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. > And the price is............. If you have to ask, you can't afford it. The camera with a film back is around US$6,500, and the back is somewhere in the US$30,000 to US$50,000 range. It makes the 16.7 MP Canon 1Ds mark 2 seem quite cost effective. > > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan > And the price is............. > > > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. 18900 Euros (rrp) There is also a Haselblad digiback for the V system at 6500 Euros (rrp) but I dont think its on the website yet. > And the price is............. > > > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. The rrp for the digiback for the V system is 7990 Euros and not 6500 as i first thought. 18900 Euros (rrp) for the H1D is correct. > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. 37x49mm sensor - what's that, a half-frame 645? Still waiting for true MF so that I can use it with the old hardware and lenses. > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. Canon 16.7 Mpix 36 x 24 V. 22 Mpix 36.7 x 49? In numbers: density: Canon: 19Kpix/ mm^2 Hassy: 12Kpix/ mm^2 relative: Canon: 100% of image area Hassy: 57% So that either means "less is MUCH more" or a slightly better noise figure with the Hassy back. price: Canon: $0.48 / 1000 pixels Hassy: $1.73 / 1000 pixels (est. $38,000 cam + back) Now put a Canon 50mm f/1.4 lens v. a Hassy 80mm f/2.8 lens ... and what have you got ... the Canon is a sharper lens recording onto more pixels... Canon 50mm f/1.4 USM : http://www.photodo.com/pix/lens/mtf/CAEF5014.gif Hassy 80mm f/2.8 Planar: http://www.photodo.com/pix/lens/mtf/HBL8028.gif Of course with the Hassy crop factor (let's use the diagonal) of 1.3 a 100mm f/3.5 Planar gives performance approaching the 85mm f/1.4 at f/8: http://www.photodo.com/pix/lens/mtf/HBL10035.gif Cheers, Alan  Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- > > Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So that either means "less is MUCH more" or a slightly better noise figure with > the Hassy back. Which is where medium format backs do better than integrated construction digital SLRs. The benefit is cleaner colours in large colour areas, less noise, and better edge definition. The costs are aimed only at professionals, which is somewhat unfortunate. The good news is that they are offering a "Risk Free Buy Back" in the first twelve months: <http://www.imacon.dk/sw5492.asp> 4080 by 5440 pixels, again at a publishing target size of 300 ppi, gives a 13.6" by 18.1" printed output. Taking those pixel dimensions, and comparing to the chip size of 36.9 mm by 49 mm, gives about 55.5 lp/mm. This is less than the Canon chip (in theory), so for smaller printed output sizes, the Canon seems to promise slightly more resolution (around 61 lp/mm, if I remember that correctly). The chip on the H1D package is twice the size of the chip on the Canon, which implies only half the enlargement needed to reach the same printed size, which is potential for higher resolution at some printed sizes. Obviously, there are many other comparison items. Checking just on the prices for the Imacon 132C back, the range was $22000 to $24000, with a slight discount for bundles. Compared to the $8000 to $9000 for the Canon, and higher cost Hasselblad lenses, I think only very busy professionals would choose the Hasselblad/Imacon solution. To professionals who want a huge tax deduction, the pricing is a different issue, though there are lease plans too. I doubt any enthusiasts would buy one, unless they are very rich. Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com> Updated! >>>Check the Hasselblad website. New 22 megapixel camera. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > SLRs. The benefit is cleaner colours in large colour areas, less noise, and better > edge definition. I realize that, my whole post .was. tongue in cheek ( >wink< ). > The costs are aimed only at professionals, which is somewhat unfortunate. The good > news is that they are offering a "Risk Free Buy Back" in the first twelve months: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > enlargement needed to reach the same printed size, which is potential for higher > resolution at some printed sizes. Obviously, there are many other comparison items. I have no doubt that the backed H1 can do better than the the 1Ds MkII in terms of best image quality. That res above of 61 lp/mm will come at the expense of noise compared to the backed H1. > Checking just on the prices for the Imacon 132C back, the range was $22000 to > $24000, with a slight discount for bundles. Compared to the $8000 to $9000 for the > Canon, and higher cost Hasselblad lenses, I think only very busy professionals > would choose the Hasselblad/Imacon solution. To professionals who want a huge tax > deduction, the pricing is a different issue, though there are lease plans too. I > doubt any enthusiasts would buy one, unless they are very rich. Sorry, I'll have to wait until payday! As you pointed out in a seperate discussion, this may be "lease" land for many. Cheers, Alan Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- > . . . . . . . . . . > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sorry, I'll have to wait until payday! As you pointed out in a seperate > discussion, this may be "lease" land for many. Even the lease implies a heavy work load for some. The Imacon back goes for a lease price near $1000 a month, going by a casual look at a few places that offer this. As a business expense, it might make more sense for some. I have not seen any lease options for Canon, so there might be some potential for more professionals using the Hasselblad. Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com :) I can tell you this - it ain't going to work for my next job in the Mexican boonies. How do these compare to the Phase One P 25 and P 20? http://www.phaseone.com/content/p1digitalbacks/hotnews/p-ser ies.aspx It looks like they might be using the same sensor. FWIW: PhaseOne P25: Technology: Full frame CCD Color filter: Red, green, blue Pixels total: 5,488 x 4,145 Pixel effective: 5,436 x 4,080 CCD size effective: 48.9 x 36.7 mm Pixel size: 9 x 9 micron Image ratio: 4:3 Image output: 48 bits (16 bit per color) > How do these compare to the Phase One P 25 and P 20? > http://www.phaseone.com/content/p1digitalbacks/hotnews/p-ser [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Image ratio: 4:3 > Image output: 48 bits (16 bit per color) If I remember these correctly, the sensor should be sourced from Kodak, likely by way of Fill Factory in Belgium. The big differences are in the analogue to digital converter, the filtration, and the firmware in each. Imacon has some patents in noise reduction and current control, which in theory should provide an image with less noise. There might also be a slight advantage to the Imacon in energy savings, meaning longer operating time, or just more shots. The imaging chip makers are National Semiconductor (division just bought by Kodak), Kodak, Phillips, Sony, Fill Factory, Creo/Scitex, Samsung, Panasonic, and Canon. There are also a few smaller players, though mostly for special imaging needs, or limited volume products. The software and firmware, along with filtering methods, seems to be the biggest difference. This is not like buying different ISO 100 transparency films. Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com> Updated! |
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