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please recommend a 120 film scanner

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Mike Henley - 19 Jun 2004 20:30 GMT
I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
fine. Now though i would need a good scanner.  What's the most
economical but good scanner i can get? would it be one of the epson
perfection flatbed ones with film holders? how would it work with
negatives?

P.S it would be great if it scanned 35mm too.
David J. Littleboy - 19 Jun 2004 22:41 GMT
> I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
> is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
> fine. Now though i would need a good scanner.  What's the most
> economical but good scanner i can get?

Epson 4870. To the best I can tell, you'd be better off with a Canon 300D
than with anything less than the 4870.

> would it be one of the epson
> perfection flatbed ones with film holders? how would it work with
> negatives?

My experience with the 2450 was that it was _happier_ with negatives than
slides. High contrast slides flare. Don't know about the 4870.

> P.S it would be great if it scanned 35mm too.

If it scans 120, it'll scan 35mm.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
BillW - 19 Jun 2004 23:14 GMT
> I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
> is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
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>
> P.S it would be great if it scanned 35mm too.

I purchased an Epson 3200 earlier in the year and it does a pretty
good job with 120 and 35mm film.  It's a 3200 dpi scanner, but for
an 'economy' scanner, it's not bad.

I think the 3200 has been replaced by the 4870.

billw
one_of_many - 19 Jun 2004 23:47 GMT
> > I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
> > is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
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> good job with 120 and 35mm film.  It's a 3200 dpi scanner, but for
> an 'economy' scanner, it's not bad.

:) Actually, it is not a 3200dpi scanner. At 3200 or more noise is an
issue, but it always is.
one_of_many - 19 Jun 2004 23:16 GMT
> I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
> is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> P.S it would be great if it scanned 35mm too.

I use an Epson 3200 for MF scanning and find it adequate for a flatbed. It
scans negatives from 35mm to 4x5 with the provided holders. In addition to
the Epson, I'd recommend a MF film holder from
<http://home.earthlink.net/~dougfisher/holder/mfholderintro.html> I use
it. It is exceptionally well built, precise.
Mxsmanic - 20 Jun 2004 05:06 GMT
Nikon makes great MF scanners.

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EDGY01 - 20 Jun 2004 08:13 GMT
<< What's the most
economical but good scanner i can get? >><BR><BR>

I have to recommend the Nikon Super Coolscan 8000ED.  It was recently replaced
by the 9000ED so priced may be depressed for the 8000 by now.  4000 dpi, and
well worth it.

dan
Georg N.Nyman - 20 Jun 2004 20:10 GMT
Hi,
unless you intend to scan large amount of 120/200 format film, I would
suggest you to get the Epson 4870 Photo scanner - excellent value for money.
If you like, read my review which I published a short while ago at my
website, which is: http://www.gnyman.com
Rgds George Nyman

> I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
> is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> P.S it would be great if it scanned 35mm too.
Sabineellen - 20 Jun 2004 21:29 GMT
>Hi,
>unless you intend to scan large amount of 120/200 format film, I would
>suggest you to get the Epson 4870 Photo scanner - excellent value for money.
>If you like, read my review which I published a short while ago at my
>website, which is: http://www.gnyman.com
>Rgds George Nyman

George, I love your site. Friendly and very very nice stuff on there.
Karl Winkler - 23 Jun 2004 02:59 GMT
> Hi,
> unless you intend to scan large amount of 120/200 format film, I would
> suggest you to get the Epson 4870 Photo scanner - excellent value for money.
> If you like, read my review which I published a short while ago at my
> website, which is: http://www.gnyman.com
> Rgds George Nyman

George,

After looking at your web site with the comparison of the 3200 and
4870, I have to say that the 4870 looks pretty decent. Thanks for
posting that information.

Regards,

-Karl
http://karlwinkler.com
Karl Winkler - 21 Jun 2004 14:19 GMT
> I bought a GA645 and i have so far found that the most economical way
> is to have film developed only at a mail-in lab, no prints, which is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> P.S it would be great if it scanned 35mm too.

I'd suggest going with a "real" film scanner rather than a flatbed
unit if you are concerned about really getting details in your scans.
I've tried the Epson 2450 and 3200, but was not happy with the results
except for B&W film (not sure why this is...) I've used the Nikon 8000
and now own the Mikrotek 120tf and feel that the investment is worth
the results.

YMMV

-Karl
http://karlwinkler.com
Sabineellen - 21 Jun 2004 16:21 GMT
>I'd suggest going with a "real" film scanner rather than a flatbed
>unit if you are concerned about really getting details in your scans.
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>-Karl
>http://karlwinkler.com

Hello, the price is out of budget for a hobbyist like myself. I guess i'll just
have the images in which i care about maximum quality professionally scanned if
i must, and this probably won't happy often. Okay, here's the situation, i
would like to have the 120 color negative film developed only with no prints to
save money (so buying an expensive scanner won't make sense, i won't print at
home) and have it scanned to produce any image i can view on a monitor, even if
it's an 800x600, what's the least expensive scanner you'd recommend?

Alternatively, is there an alternative way to view color negative film than a
scanner or prints? do you recommend i just shoot slide film and get a light box
instead?  thanks
one_of_many - 21 Jun 2004 16:38 GMT
> Hello, the price is out of budget for a hobbyist like myself. I guess i'll just
> have the images in which i care about maximum quality professionally scanned if
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> scanner or prints? do you recommend i just shoot slide film and get a light box
> instead?  thanks

The Epson 3200 is adequate and cost-effective for hobbiest work. I
recommend it. Find a good one with all the transparency holders and be
happy.

Regarding viewing color negative film - over time you will be able to
preview the images just by looking at the negatives in good light. Believe
it. Experience is everything in that regard.

Slide film often has a d-max that the less expensive scanners simply
cannot cope with. I'd stick to color negative and b&w.
Mxsmanic - 22 Jun 2004 04:22 GMT
> Hello, the price is out of budget for a hobbyist like myself. I guess i'll just
> have the images in which i care about maximum quality professionally scanned if
> i must, and this probably won't happy often.

You'll find that the cost of lab scans is so high that you can pay for
your own scanner for less than it would cost to get even a single roll
completely scanned at the lab.  And your scans will be better than the
scans from the lab.

> Alternatively, is there an alternative way to view color negative film than a
> scanner or prints? do you recommend i just shoot slide film and get a light box
> instead?

Slides are an excellent option in this case.

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MikeWhy - 21 Jun 2004 17:19 GMT
> I've tried the Epson 2450 and 3200, but was not happy with the results
> except for B&W film (not sure why this is...)

The software and driver makes a big difference on the scan. Silverfast does
a pretty fair job of inverting negatives. I prefer now to invert it manually
in Photoshop with a curves adjustment layer.
one_of_many - 21 Jun 2004 17:44 GMT
> The software and driver makes a big difference on the scan. Silverfast does
> a pretty fair job of inverting negatives. I prefer now to invert it manually
> in Photoshop with a curves adjustment layer.

I suspect the OP doesn't have Photoshop. It _is_ a spendy package. I
recommend Adobe Elements to people who just cannot afford Photoshop at
this time. Elements has a lot for the money if you get by the push-button
stage, possibly incorporate Photoshop actions (there's a whole book on
that subject).

Another good resource for Photoshop users (that you already know of, Mike)
is http://www.curvemeister.com/

The scanning software and driver provided with the Epson 3200 is quite
good. Frankly, Mike, I can't stand Silverfast, but your recommendation
gives me reason to look at it again.
 
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