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Velvia 100 compensation

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Charles Pezeshki - 14 May 2004 04:58 GMT
Hi Folks,

Just bought a bunch of Velvia 100 and am headed to the North Rim of the Big
Ditch to shoot it.

I used to shoot Velvia 50 at around ASA 40 in the SW.  Should I compensate
for Velvia 100 and shoot it at around 80?  Or does it meter true-to-form?

Best,

Chuck

http://www.wildcountry.info
CamArtsMag - 14 May 2004 14:07 GMT
Ditch to shoot it.

I used to shoot Velvia 50 at around ASA 40 in the SW.  Should I compensate
for Velvia 100 and shoot it at around 80?  Or does it meter true-to-form?

Best,

Chuck

This is not really a fair question to ask. It depends on your camera and
shutters and your meter not to mention your preference for tones and color
saturation. Why not teswt a roll or two before you go.

steve simmons
Charles Pezeshki - 14 May 2004 17:50 GMT
> This is not really a fair question to ask. It depends on your camera and
> shutters and your meter not to mention your preference for tones and color
> saturation. Why not teswt a roll or two before you go.
>
> steve simmons

Hi Steve,

Most of my equipment is new, and meters correctly.  My lenses are also new
or relatively new and spot-on.  I don't have time to test.

It was relatively well-accepted that Velvia needed to be slightly
overexposed.  My question is regarding the new Velvia 100.  What have folks
found?

Chuck
RSD99 - 14 May 2004 19:36 GMT
"Charles Pezeshki"  posted
"...
I don't have time to test.
..."

A common mistake made by *amateurs.*
jjs - 14 May 2004 20:01 GMT
> "Charles Pezeshki"  posted
> "...
> I don't have time to test.
> ..."
>
> A common mistake made by *amateurs.*

Charles is too much of a gentleman and professional to respond, so I will:
f.ck You, RSD99
RSD99 - 14 May 2004 22:35 GMT
"jjs"  posted:
"...
f.ck You, RSD99
..."

HeHeHeHeHe

Reminds me about an old parable ... something about "repeating the mistakes of the past."
...

And no ... my posting was *not* a flame, just an illustration ...

HeHeHeHeHe
Charles Pezeshki - 14 May 2004 20:14 GMT
> "Charles Pezeshki"  posted
> "...
> I don't have time to test.
> ..."
>
> A common mistake made by *amateurs.*

Hi Folks,

You know, I don't know why this is such a hard question for people to
answer.  Provia 100F was engineered to be spot-on with ASA, and it is for
properly calibrated equipment.  I shoot a lot of Provia 100F.

I am going to assume that Velvia 100 is similar.

Additionally, living in the Pacific NW, it is very difficult, if not
impossible to judge a super-saturated film like Velvia on film speed
relativity in an environment like the Southwest.  It's green up here, and
red down there.  It makes a huge difference.

BTW, I never thought that this thread would turn into a flame war.  I
thought people would be happy to shoot Velvia at 100.

No?  Is it not popular?

Chuck
http://www.wildcountry.info
Stacey - 15 May 2004 02:04 GMT
>> "Charles Pezeshki"  posted
>> "...
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> You know, I don't know why this is such a hard question for people to
> answer.

Me either. You obviously know that your "system" works right with other film
so transferring this to another film shouldn't be a problem.

But sorry, I've never shot any velvia 100 so can't help ya..
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No One - 15 May 2004 00:14 GMT
> Most of my equipment is new, and meters correctly.  My lenses are also new
> or relatively new and spot-on.  I don't have time to test.
>
> It was relatively well-accepted that Velvia needed to be slightly
> overexposed.  My question is regarding the new Velvia 100.  What have folks
> found?

I have found that using untested film on an odyssey is a foolish thing to
do. Laughably so.
Mark McGilvray - 26 Aug 2004 20:23 GMT
> > Most of my equipment is new, and meters correctly.  My lenses are also new
> > or relatively new and spot-on.  I don't have time to test.
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> I have found that using untested film on an odyssey is a foolish thing to
> do. Laughably so.

Do you feel lucky? No test shots is a real risky deal. BTW, I would take
some Kodak E-100G. Velvia's main problem is color fidelity in thedeep
red/purple spectrum, where it stinks.
Ed Margiewicz - 14 May 2004 20:01 GMT
Mind boggling isn't it?  One asks a simple question gets everything but an
simple and polite answer.
I was in the smokies about a month ago and shot about 50 sheets of velvia
100f.  The equipment I used was relatively new (lens and two meters).  I
metered for an asa of 100 and found the images to have good saturation.
This is my opinion.  Others may differ. I would recommend you rate it at
100.
Ed M
> Hi Folks,
>
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>
> http://www.wildcountry.info
Claude DiBugnara - 16 May 2004 03:15 GMT
> Hi Folks,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> http://www.wildcountry.info

Chuck,

I did some basic testing and convinced myself that it was accurate at
100. The few magazine review articles that I've read on Velvia 100 also
confirmed the same. I now use it instead of the 50 (which I definitely
had to expose at 40), and I've been very happy with the results so far.
The only down side it the cost premium for the 100.

Claude
Argon3 - 17 May 2004 15:12 GMT
In a case like this you also have the option of doing a "snip test".
This may seem like a very "amateur" thing to do to some of those who have a
very empirical approach to their photography, but I've worked on commercial
projects where, no matter how pinned down the variables were, a snip test was
routinely done to ensure that everything was going to come out right.
Basically, this means running a few frames "snipped" off a roll of 35mm through
the processor to see if it is, in fact, spot-on or if an adjustment in
processing would help to produce the optimum results.  In the case of medium
format you may have them snip off some film or just shoot a whole roll of
typical subjects that you can afford to sacrifice (it may not be a sacrifice -
it will probably still be usable).  For LF it's easier...just run one or a
couple of sheets through.  The cost of doing this and any additional costs that
you may incur for adjusted processing is a small price to pay for the
"insurance".  Review the results and ask the lab to make any adjustments that
you feel will produce your desired result.  I've had the advantage of doing
this with both Ross-Ehlert and Gamma labs here in Chicago and it has always
worked.
Again, this may seem a somewhat slipshod way of working to some, but think
about it...when the expense of setting up a shot or a session or the expense of
traveling to a location is the big cost of the shoot, it can be a very valid
way of working,

argon
CamArtsMag - 17 May 2004 16:33 GMT
Snip tests are commonly done by professional photographers on commercial
assignments. There is nothing amateurish about them at all.

steve simmons
 
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