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Gregory W. Blank - 14 Nov 2003 23:07 GMT
Hello; hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello
is anybody there there there there there there there there there there there .
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Gees this place really gets empty sometimes.

When there isn't thing or body to argue about,...
sad very sad.

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Frank Pittel - 15 Nov 2003 01:06 GMT
I think everybody is out taking pictures or printing. :-)

I would go out but in the last few months I found out I don't know anything about
photography. After all I like to photograph landscapes with a non-Leica camera and
I even use Tmax which I've since learned can't be used for landscapes since the curve is
all wrong. I make matters worse I use a Jobo processor with it's continuous agitation and
use Tmax-rs for developing sheet film. Now I find out that most of my negatives are mis-exposed
because I didn't properly adjust my exposures to compensate for the variable film speed changes
as a result of development time adjustments made to control negative contrast.

: Hello; hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello hello
: is anybody there there there there there there there there there there there .
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: /
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: Gees this place really gets empty sometimes.

: When there isn't thing or body to argue about,...
: sad very sad.

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Gregory W. Blank - 15 Nov 2003 02:07 GMT
> I think everybody is out taking pictures or printing. :-)
> I would go out but in the last few months I found out I don't know anything about
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> because I didn't properly adjust my exposures to compensate for the variable film speed changes
> as a result of development time adjustments made to control negative contrast.

The only things in Photo that matter:

Are you making the pictures you want?

Do they meet with your expectations?

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stacey - 15 Nov 2003 04:30 GMT
> The only things in Photo that matter:
>
> Are you making the pictures you want?

Sometimes.

> Do they meet with your expectations?

How often do you get one that couldn't be somehow improved if you had
only....

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Frank Pittel - 15 Nov 2003 21:30 GMT
: > The only things in Photo that matter:
: >
: > Are you making the pictures you want?

: Sometimes.

I feel lucky if 20% work out the way I want and result in a negative worth
printing. Most of my problems surround composition and with a LF camera some
days I have what I call "bad focus" days.

: > Do they meet with your expectations?

: How often do you get one that couldn't be somehow improved if you had
: only....

Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. I look at my prints and
all I can see are the mistakes and things I would do differently.
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Gregory W. Blank - 15 Nov 2003 21:32 GMT

> Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. I look at my prints and
> all I can see are the mistakes and things I would do differently.

Sounds like you need a workshop were other people will critique
and help you out.

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stacey - 15 Nov 2003 23:37 GMT
>  
>> Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. I look at my prints
>> and all I can see are the mistakes and things I would do differently.
>
> Sounds like you need a workshop were other people will critique
> and help you out.


 And find the other mistakes you didn't see before!  :-)
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Frank Pittel - 16 Nov 2003 02:39 GMT
: >  
: >> Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. I look at my prints
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:   And find the other mistakes you didn't see before!  :-)

That's what I'm afraid of!! :-)
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Jeff Novick - 16 Nov 2003 07:33 GMT
> : >> Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. I look at my prints
> : >> and all I can see are the mistakes and things I would do differently.
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> That's what I'm afraid of!! :-)
Besides the gifted, I figure it takes about 10 years to start producing some
really good work.

A well known photographer once told me that he believed there were maybe 6
great images that a photographer could produce in a lifetime! Chew on that
one for a bit!
Gregory W. Blank - 16 Nov 2003 13:28 GMT
> Besides the gifted, I figure it takes about 10 years to start producing some
> really good work.

> A well known photographer once told me that he believed there were maybe 6
> great images that a photographer could produce in a lifetime! Chew on that
> one for a bit!

 These are really subjective issues; I realize your just throwing out food for thought though.
I think the truth of these statements hinge on many factors, "good" in what ways may be a reasonable start
at asking / answering this. If your talking LF cameras only ; well 10 years might be considered a normal gestation
period. Using a 35mm camera I won several regional photo contests which involved calendar publication
and really good prizes, my senior year in college.

 I just don't believe the 6-10 good image theory, I have alot more already that I've sold and like as well.
I also disregard those who state a photographer has xx amount of years to produce good imagery......
if photo is a true passion I don't believe there is anything that will limit you, short of physical illness
or bankruptcy :-(.

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stacey - 17 Nov 2003 05:14 GMT
> Besides the gifted, I figure it takes about 10 years to start producing
> some really good work.
>
> A well known photographer once told me that he believed there were maybe 6
> great images that a photographer could produce in a lifetime! Chew on that
> one for a bit!

I know in the years I've been shooting I've produced maybe a dozen that I
=really= like. And only 1 that I consider as "great".

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geo - 25 Nov 2003 05:57 GMT
> Besides the gifted, I figure it takes about 10 years to start producing some
> really good work.
>
> A well known photographer once told me that he believed there were maybe 6
> great images that a photographer could produce in a lifetime! Chew on that
> one for a bit!

Yeah, and I threw out one of them years ago when I was cleaning. I still
mourn the loss.

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Frank Pittel - 16 Nov 2003 02:38 GMT
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: > Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. I look at my prints and
: > all I can see are the mistakes and things I would do differently.

: Sounds like you need a workshop were other people will critique
: and help you out.

I'm starting to think that a good workshop or two would be a good idea for me.
The problem with most of my "crap" images is that when I made the exposure I
had an idea in my mind what the final print would look like. Of course when
I get into the dark room I can't make the print look the way I want it to.

The people I show the prints have different opinions about my work ( or at
least that's what they tell me. :-)). What I do know is make prints I like
the way I like and leave it to others to decide if I'm any good. I'm not
a pro so the only opinion that matters is mine. :-)
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jjs - 16 Nov 2003 02:57 GMT
> :  
> : > Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. [...]

> [...]
> The people I show the prints have different opinions about my work [...]

An old saying of mine: The danger of being self-educated is the possiblity
that you have a poor instructor.
David Nebenzahl - 17 Nov 2003 05:16 GMT
On 11/15/2003 6:57 PM jjs spake thus:

>> :  
>> : > Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. [...]
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> An old saying of mine: The danger of being self-educated is the possiblity
> that you have a poor instructor.

Corollary: He who chooses to defend himself [in court] has a fool for a client.

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stacey - 18 Nov 2003 00:44 GMT
>> :  
>> : > Being my own worse critic is starting to get me down. [...]
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> An old saying of mine: The danger of being self-educated is the possiblity
> that you have a poor instructor.

And you can just as easily can have a poor instructor elsewhere..
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