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Regarding Caltar HR 300/5.6

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Cheesehead - 20 Jun 2006 23:15 GMT
I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
Grandagon-N?
Peter - 24 Jun 2006 12:14 GMT
> I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
> Grandagon-N?

I'm not quite sure what you have.  If it is a Caltar HR 300/5.6
it probably has not had a previous life.  It was probably sold
as new by Calumet.

There is an interesting article by Kerry Thalmann (May/June
2003, in View Camera) which lists the repertoire as he
knows it of Caltar HR lenses (in table 11 on p. 40).  A 300
mm. is not mentioned.

It is interesting that depending on the focal length, they
seem to have been produced by several sources and with
different performance.  The longer focal length lenses seem
to be in the range of 60 degr. coverage.  The possibility
it is really a re-labeled 300 mm. Grandagon seems a
unlikely.  I think those are at least rare and am not aware
that one was ever made.

Still, to put another interpretation on "previous life" it is
likely that it was made on contract to Calumet by
someone else (since that is how Calumet often did
things).
Cheesehead - 24 Jun 2006 14:10 GMT
By "previous iife" I was thinking in terms of the
manfacturing before the badging.  (Probably not a
great choice of word.)

I should have that copy here.  Thanks.

> > I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> > But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
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> someone else (since that is how Calumet often did
> things).
Cheesehead - 24 Jun 2006 14:23 GMT
Just checked.
Don't have that one. :(
> > I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> > But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
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> someone else (since that is how Calumet often did
> things).
Bob Salomon - 24 Jun 2006 15:05 GMT
> Caltar HR 300/5.6

No Grandagon was a 5.6.

Calumet is a camera store. Calumet has a long history and the Calumet
that exists today is not related to the original Calumet that went
bankrupt a few decades ago.

Between the two entities of Calumet lenses were sold as a private label
line bearing the Caltar name from several lens factories in the USA,
Germany and the far east. The name Caltar in itself will not tell you
which factory made which lens.

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Mono - 24 Jun 2006 15:23 GMT
> I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
> Grandagon-N?

As you know, Calumet is a retailer who uses the Caltar brand for
merchandise manufactured for them by an OEM.  Over the years, Caltar lenses
have had a reputation for decent quality at slightly less exhorbitant
prices than those of the OEMs who actually made them.  For example, modern
Caltar II-N lenses are every bit as good as the prime-labeled Rodenstocks,
and in fact they come in a Rodenstock box.

I am looking at Kerry's VC article - he lists several 300mm f5.6 lenses:
       Type S (1970-75) by Rodenstock
       Type S-II (1976-83) by Schneider
       Pro (second series) (1982) by Schneider
       Type II-N (1984-present) by Rodenstock

but he does not show that there was a 300mm lens in the "HR" series.  These
lenses were manufactured either by Topcon or Rodenstock (depending on FL)
in 1984.

There was also a 300mm f6.3 lens in the first Pro series (1980)
manufactured by Komura.

So the bottom line is that the lens that you are considering appears to be
paradoxical.  Are you sure about the HR designation?
Cheesehead - 24 Jun 2006 15:26 GMT
Yup.

> > I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> > But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
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> So the bottom line is that the lens that you are considering appears to be
> paradoxical.  Are you sure about the HR designation?
John - 01 Jul 2006 06:27 GMT
>I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
>But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
>Grandagon-N?

Could you post an image of it somewhere ? Or at least a few more
details such as filter size and perhaps even the country of origin ?

==
    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
    www.legacy-photo,com
    www.xs750.net
Cheesehead - 02 Jul 2006 00:37 GMT
> >I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> >But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
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>      www.legacy-photo,com
>      www.xs750.net

I picked it up today.
"Made in Japan" is to me an indicator of the Topcon origin.
Will put more up later.
Needless to say, a nice lens.  Looking forward to using it.
John Douglas - 08 Jul 2006 04:11 GMT
>> >I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
>> >But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
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>Will put more up later.
>Needless to say, a nice lens.  Looking forward to using it.

Any good news on this yet ? The images of the lens give the appearance
of a mintish lens.

==
    John S. Douglas
    Photographer & Webmaster
    Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net
Cheesehead - 10 Jul 2006 00:58 GMT
> >> >I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> >> >But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
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>      Photographer & Webmaster
>      Legacy-photo.com - Xs750.net

It'll be a couple of weeks until I get to use it.
Will show some results after that.
Cheesehead - 02 Jul 2006 02:04 GMT
> >I have a chance to pick one up at a good price.
> >But I'm courioius, what was it in its previous life?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>      www.legacy-photo,com
>      www.xs750.net

Here's the pics:

http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/topcon1.jpg
http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/topcon2.jpg

Looks to take a 94mm filter.
 
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