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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Large Format / August 2005Uh-Oh!! Just got my FreeStyle catalog--!! Bye-Bye relabeled Ilford!!
I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they still make reference to England as origin but not Ilford apparently)--as well as the printing paper which I assume may now be produced by Kentmere as they are now carrying (Announced in the catalog!) Kentmere's line of papers. I've not used Kentmere papers but really liked both the original versions of Arista Sheet Film and B&W Printing Papers. That makes me worry even more on Ilford's LF film future as well as papers!! Any inside information here!! Jos. Burke > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > even more on Ilford's LF film future as well as papers!! > Any inside information here!! I don't think Kentmere makes film. So if the film is still made in the UK it's got to be Ilford still. Nick > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Any inside information here!! > Jos. Burke No inside info., but years ago I did use Kentmere papers and I liked them, so you might want to give them a try. I've never heard of Kentmere making film, but I suppose they might be the sort of company that might be interested in taking on some of the Ilford operation. Peter > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Any inside information here!! > Jos. Burke Only Ilford related item I have heard was discontinuation of SFX. Perhaps they are introducing something newer? Ciao! Gordon Moat A G Studio <http://www.allgstudio.com> > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so > fond of are being [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Any inside information here!! > Jos. Burke Iford decided, as part of their re-organizing, to discontinue to sell film for custom branding. Because the overall volume of sales of film has fallen it turns out that it cuts into their sales of Ilford branded film and is no longer economical. I don't know what Freestyle has replaced it with for their Arista brand. Freestyle has had to either discontinue or change suppliers for its EDU brand of economy films for the same reason. The sales of the regular branded film (I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded stuff.  Signature--- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com >I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and > the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded > stuff. Forte. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 >>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and >> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded >> stuff. > > Forte. Is Arista.EDU really Forte?? All I know is that when I used the developing times recommended for Fortepan, I got terrible results. However when I started using the times recommended by a slip of paper that came in the of Arista.EDU film, my results started turning out MUCH better (and the times are way different from Fortepan). Yet everybody on the web seems to think it is Fortepan. Yes, I should do my own speed and development tests. Getting to it someday... >>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and >>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Is Arista.EDU really Forte?? No. its ILFORD. Arista is a common brand name over there much like ACME in the USA and Freestyle has been using it here for ages.. The Arista rebadged line is also sold by Freephoto but their website seems to be down. However, I do know that Freestyle has the Forte stuff and its quite possible it is Hungarian. THOM >All I know is that when I used the >developing times recommended for Fortepan, I got terrible results. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Yes, I should do my own speed and development tests. Getting to it >someday... >>>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and >>>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > However, I do know that Freestyle has the Forte stuff and its quite > possible it is Hungarian. No, the Arista brand is Ilford. The Arista.EDU brand is something different and _definitely_ not Ilford. I'm skeptical it is Fortepan though. > >>>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and > >>>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > different and _definitely_ not Ilford. I'm skeptical it is Fortepan > though. It was, I don't know if it is....but until the recent Forte Problems it was. From me its not hear say. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 >>>>>I think EDU was EFKE or FOMA) was being cut into and >>>>> the manufacturer was loosing money on the custom branded [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >different and _definitely_ not Ilford. I'm skeptical it is Fortepan >though. After I posted what I did I started to wander around the net looking for more info and its getting quite confusing indeed. This could get interesting. THOM > After I posted what I did I started to wander around the net looking > for more info and its getting quite confusing indeed. This could get > interesting. Why don't you just call FreeStyle and ask them what the film really is? Trust me: I have it on authority.... Arista Pro/Plus is Ilford Arista.EDU WAS made by Forte....it is no more and no supplies remainin -- Tauro > Iford decided, as part of their re-organizing, to > discontinue to sell film for custom branding. > it cuts into their sales of Ilford branded film Oops, wrong move Ilford ... The volume of custom branded film & paper will be the same if Ilford makes it or Berger* makes it. Only now Ilford doesn't make it and gets no revenue and _no market share_. The name of the game is to be a survivor of the market fall out and you do that by squeezing the competition until _they_ go out of business. You squeeze a competitor by taking away his market share. Ilford is _giving up_ market share. Moberly needs to get some better management. * Berger is a 'fer instance; I have no idea who makes Arista II. SignatureNicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio Consulting Engineer > * Berger is a 'fer instance; I have no idea who > makes Arista II. Sounds like Agfa for the smaller formats. Nick Signature--------------------------------------- "Digital the new ice fishing" --------------------------------------- >* Berger is a 'fer instance; I have no idea who > makes Arista II. It turns out that Arista II is made by Kentmere, which I actually like even more than Ilford. It's also made in England, but hasn't been widely available in the U.S. until recently. >* Berger is a 'fer instance; I have no idea who > makes Arista II. The new Arista II is actually Kentmere, which I actually like more than Ilford. It's made in England but - unlike Ilford - hasn't been much available in the U.S. until recently. No idea about the Arista II, but I'm sure the new Arista.EDU is FOMA, based on the ISO 9001 designation they are so proud of using. That's a good thing. Looks like Freestyle will carry more FOMA products than J&C [who FOMA didn't even know was selling their products at the first]. J&C had a deal with Fotoimpex Berlin [still does], whereas I believe Freestyle is directly contracting with FOMA now. I like FOMA products and think this will be good for both of them. > I see the Arista Sheet films (Ilford FP4/HP5) I'm so fond of are being > replaced by another film called Arista II ( ? on manufacturer though they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Any inside information here!! > Jos. Burke |
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