Hi there,
I am going to China next month and will carry several ISO 160 & 400
films with me. As I learned from other posts here that I should put the
films in hand-carried baggage to avoid the films being exposed by the x-ray,
but how many times can these films pass the airport x-ray security system?
My schedule is USA to Taiwan, then Taiwan to China, then China to Taiwan,
then Taiwan to USA. Will the films be safe under so much exposures as the
effect of x-ray is accumulated? Thank you!
Evan Jou
Dr. Georg N.Nyman - 15 Apr 2005 07:50 GMT
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Well my personal experience is that in the US, the airport systems are
pretty OK - I have had no bad experiences until now with film speeds up
to 400ASA. Taiwan - I had one bad experience but it was an 800ASA film
and China - depends on where you go through security. Shanghai is OK and
Bejing as well, others I was told can be tricky.
Accumulated exposure is a problem for 400ASA but only if you get through
more than maybe 5 or 6 systems which have been not really state-of-the-art.
But again, that what I mentioned is only my personal experience - others
may have bette or worse ones.
rgds George
Alan - 15 Apr 2005 12:47 GMT
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You can get x-ray safe boxes to store the film in for travel - may be a
safer option.
Carsten Schurig - 19 Apr 2005 06:28 GMT
Alan schrieb:
> You can get x-ray safe boxes to store the film in for travel - may be a
> safer option.
No, this isn't at all! It is just a common _misinformation_ that "x-ray
safe" boxes are safe!
What do they do at security if they can't look inside something first?
They'll increase the intensity of the x-rays to penetrate the object. So
you'll need a box with really thick lead walls to avoid that.
*But* what is even more disturbing is, that _you'll_ be responsible that
the films in bags of people right behind and before you will be
influenced by a much higher x-ray radation than these would have been
without your "x-ray safe" box.
So if you're really disturbed let them hand-check your films. Thats a
much better way than to use these "x-ray safe" boxes.
James Robinson - 19 Apr 2005 15:04 GMT
> Alan schrieb:
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> No, this isn't at all! It is just a common _misinformation_ that "x-ray
> safe" boxes are safe!
Agreed. Domke once described a test they made with lead-lined bags.
They said that for film to be safe when passed through the xray machines
used to inspect CHECKED baggage, the lead bag would be so heavy as to be
impractical for everyday use.
The bags do, however, reduce the intensity of the xrays hitting the film
when used in CARRY-ON luggage, and might gain a few extra trips through
the scanners before damage becomes a problem.
> What do they do at security if they can't look inside something first?
> They'll increase the intensity of the x-rays to penetrate the object. So
> you'll need a box with really thick lead walls to avoid that.
The xray machines are not user-adjustable. That is a myth. The machines
are purposely set to a low dosage to reduce the risk of the machines.
The operator can adjust the contrast and brightness of the display, but
that is similar to what you would do on your computer monitor.
Roger - 15 Apr 2005 15:30 GMT
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Evan,
In my experience you are pushing the limit with the ISO400 film. You
can never tell for sure what will happen. Last week in Beijing my
camera bag went through the x-ray and something caught the operator's
attention. Before I could rescue my film my bag from the camera bat it
was returned through the x-ray four times. There was some fogging on
my ISO400 films. I've had a test roll of ISO400 make 10 trips through
US carry-on x-ray systems with no fogging.
The culprit in my bag happened to be a mechanical shutter release
cable. I made a last minute bag change with my camera equipment and
had left it in my bag. I had trouble explaining it since I was
traveling with a AF camera. A fellow traveler who recognized it for
what it was and spoke Chinese came to my rescue and I got to keep it.
My practice has always been to put my film in zip lock bags, bare
cassettes i.e. without canisters. I keep the exposed and unexposed
film separate, only reason is that it helps when grabbing for a fresh
roll. If it's a small amount I keep the zip lock bag in the pocket of
a light weight nylon jacket (nylon zippers and with nothing else in
the jacket) it's the lowest x-ray signature item I own. The jacket
goes in a x-ray bin separate from everything else. This usually
prevents a miss-identification because there is no other clutter on
the x-ray screen. This trip I forgot my best practices and got caught.
But if your film has to make a trip through the x-ray, do everything
in your power to make it a single pass. I have a friend that when
traveling with a large amount of film does basically the same thing
but separates the film according to type and exposed/unexposed in
separate zip lock bags. He then distributes it accordingly in low
"clutter" items. He has a special light weight nylon shoulder bag that
all the individual bags are placed and he usually tries for hand
inspection of this bag.
It is easy for me to get hand inspection at O'Hare if I ask nicely,
but other USA airports are hit-and-miss and in some places hand
inspection meets a lot of resistance and sometimes belligerence. I've
never had any luck outside the USA. In Heathrow and Frankfort if I ask
for a hand inspection it usually means a rude no, rough hand search,
and considerable delays and then they make me watch my bag go through
the x-ray. It's basically a lesson in not deviating from their rules.
It's a quick study if you are a quick learner. I had to try once. :-).
In general my trips to Asia have been very rewarding and amazingly
hassle free. From a customs point of view, as a USA citizen it's much
more "agonizing" for me to travel to Vancouver, BC Canada than to go
to Shanghai, Beijing or other major SE Asia cities. I haven't been to
Taiwan.
For color negative film, I've found the processing in major locations
in Asia to be quite good. It pays to ask around, the hotel concierge
is not always the best source. Likely you won't find the "minilabs" in
closed rooms. Like anything else, if you are there long enough sample
the goods before you buy the store.
Regards,
Roger
Dan - 16 Apr 2005 05:02 GMT
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Last year I went from WI to LA, Japan, Thailand, Nepal, Tibet and back. I
was carrying 100 and 200 and picked up some 400 and 800 from someone else I
was traveling with. I forgot how many xray machines I had to pass through
including various customs checks. BTW I was carrying 30+ rolls.
I always remove the film from from the canisters and put them in a clear
ziplock. I pull the ziplock out and hand it to one of the TSA. Generally no
hassle though a little extra delay on a couple of legs. So unless I forgot
somewhere, none of my film was xray'd, except for 4 rolls of 100 that I left
in one of my bags on the way back. Unless I'm mistaken the only problem I
had with those rolls was because I shot them without a polarizer during
mid-day. The only hassels I got were because of the packs of polariods that
I carrying, the TSA spent extra time with them. good thing they were still
in the wrap. Though in LA(?) I had one TSA swab everyone of the packs and
rolls.
I don't carry the film xray bags. Mainly from the experience of others is
because the TSA will usually turn up the machine if they can't see through
something.
I was also carrying a digital camera. The thing with those is to put it in
your carry on. Make sure your CF cards are in your bags and not on your
person when going through the metal detectors. It can zap them.
Enjoy your trip.