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Duplicating old negatives

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Bernardo Roil - 09 Apr 2005 03:03 GMT
I've a large collection of antique negatives. I want to make dupes to avoid
handling the original ones (whithout using digital devices), and the Kodak
Professional B&W Duplicating Film 4168 (also called SO-339) seemed to be
ideal for this purpose. The problem is that this film has been
discontinued, and my question is if there's some similar film still in the
market. I liked the 4168 because it can be worked whith safety light; other
options are Kodak TMax developed whith reversal kit, and Agfa Scala
reversal film, but both have high speed, and have to be operated in total
darkness (not very confortable for making contact slides). I would like to
avoid the 2 steps techniques (original negative-positive-negative).
Thanks for your help.              
                                       Bernardo
Derek Gee - 09 Apr 2005 05:40 GMT
> I've a large collection of antique negatives. I want to make dupes to
> avoid
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for your help.
>                                        Bernardo

Wow, the times they are a-changing!  Kodak discontinued this while I wasn't
looking.  I went out to their website, and they are recommending people use
T-Max 100 as an alternative to the Professional B&W Duplicating Films.

Ilford has a webpage with their recommendations for B & W copying:

http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/pdf/COPYING.PDF

There seems to be nothing suitable from Fuji or Forte.  My only other
suggestion would be to go digital with the negatives and print only from the
digital files in the future.

Derek
Nick Zentena - 09 Apr 2005 06:26 GMT
> I've a large collection of antique negatives. I want to make dupes to avoid
> handling the original ones (whithout using digital devices), and the Kodak
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> avoid the 2 steps techniques (original negative-positive-negative).
> Thanks for your help.              

 Maco genius print film?
 
 http://www.mahn.net/TAe.htm
 
 Nick
Bernardo Roil - 11 Apr 2005 00:21 GMT
Excellent link, I didn't hear about this brand before. Thanks, Nick.
Gaz - 09 Apr 2005 19:04 GMT
Curious, why don't you want to scan them?

Gaz

> I've a large collection of antique negatives. I want to make dupes to
> avoid
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks for your help.
>                                        Bernardo
Bernardo Roil - 10 Apr 2005 15:55 GMT
Because I'm going to open an old fashioned photography shop. I live in a
touristic city (near to the Glacier National Park [not the USA one, I live
in Patagonia, Argentina]), and I want to sell old pictures of Patagonia
(taken by my grandfather), using the old methods (hand prints, hand
retouching, dry mounting, acid free materials). I've also 3D old pictures,
and movies since 1935. I want to offer a travel to the past for the people
coming into my shop... I want digital help too, for restoring damaged
negatives, but drum scanners are very expensive here, and I've to pay about
U$D 18,- for scanning each negative in a digital shop (an I've hundreds!).
Thanks, and sorry about my english...
                                         Bernardo
Derek Gee - 12 Apr 2005 03:26 GMT
> Because I'm going to open an old fashioned photography shop. I live in a
> touristic city (near to the Glacier National Park [not the USA one, I live
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks, and sorry about my english...
>                                          Bernardo

I can understand the desire to want to use traditional darkroom methods, but
I think you'd be better off buying an Epson 4990 scanner which can handle
the negatives you have, and scan them for restoration and printmaking.  It's
cheaper than $18 USD per drum scan, and most customer will not notice the
difference.  I think you will not like having to buy these other negative
sheet films and reverse processing them to make a dupe negative.

Derek
Bernardo Roil - 16 Apr 2005 02:46 GMT
Thank you Derek; I think I'm going to buy the scanner anyway (I was
thinking in the Epson 4870, but the 4990 sounds better, I just didn't know
it was on the market). In addition to the scanner, I'll continue looking
for the positive film (actually, MACO has several interesting things, not
only the Maco Genius Print Film).
 
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