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Smitty - 22 Oct 2004 22:27 GMT
Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
Smitty

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Chris Street - 23 Oct 2004 10:29 GMT
> Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
> Smitty
>
> --

plenty of magazine journalists have used the 'worlds highest
resolution 35mm film scanner'. http://tinyurl.com/6k76b

Chris Street
Smitty - 24 Oct 2004 02:30 GMT
I  just bought one but I can't get the software to launch. I was hopping
someone here owned of these things.
Smitty
>> Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
>> Smitty
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>
> Chris Street
Alan Browne - 24 Oct 2004 16:34 GMT
>>Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
>>Smitty
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> plenty of magazine journalists have used the 'worlds highest
> resolution 35mm film scanner'. http://tinyurl.com/6k76b

Hmm, please quote sources showing all these pj's using a scanner that has
seemingly sub-par dmax and much too much resolution for any magazine.

For even large format magazines a scan res of 3000 dpi is more than sufficient.

Better to have dmax than a lot of pixels.

Cheers,
Alan.

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Alan Browne - 24 Oct 2004 17:26 GMT
>>Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
>>Smitty
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> plenty of magazine journalists have used the 'worlds highest
> resolution 35mm film scanner'. http://tinyurl.com/6k76b

...these days you will find very few pj's using film.

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Alan Browne - 23 Oct 2004 21:57 GMT
> Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
> Smitty

I looked at the 'spec' (so to speak) at
http://www.plustek.com/products/film.htm

1- dynamic range is ambiguous (says 48 bits/pixel, implying full 16 bit per
color, but does not state the dmax).

2- does not have ICE   

so looks pretty good, but ICE is an essential, IMO.

Cheers,
Alan

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Rich Pos - 23 Oct 2004 23:46 GMT
>> Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
>> Smitty
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>
>so looks pretty good, but ICE is an essential, IMO.

States the dmax as 3.3, although I have heard those figures are always
arbitrary.

Specs here....
http://www.plustek.com/products/film_spec.htm

RP©
Alan Browne - 24 Oct 2004 16:28 GMT
>>>Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
>>>Smitty
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> States the dmax as 3.3, although I have heard those figures are always
> arbitrary.

Yes, Nikon and Minolta usually quote dmax w/o considering noise.
eg: Often a 16 bit/color dmax is quoted as log 2^16 which does not account for
system noise.  CW says lower 1.5 bits are system noise so the theoretical dmax
should be log 2^(16-1.5) = 4.36 ...which is a bit more than a slide has...

So, if the claimed dmax of the opticfilm 7200 is 3.3, it suggests that each
color channel is only 12 bits and that the rest of the "color depth" is padded,
and at that, they may not be accounting for noise (unless they have 14 bits per
channel, but then the Dmax would be 3.7, not 3.3).

Cheers,
Alan

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Rich Pos - 24 Oct 2004 21:16 GMT
>>>>Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
>>>>Smitty
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>and at that, they may not be accounting for noise (unless they have 14 bits per
>channel, but then the Dmax would be 3.7, not 3.3).

Just a few years ago different calculations must have been used to
calculate dmax. IIRC, 4.0 was the limit and only achieved by drum
scanners.

RP©
Alan Browne - 24 Oct 2004 21:46 GMT
> Just a few years ago different calculations must have been used to
> calculate dmax. IIRC, 4.0 was the limit and only achieved by drum
> scanners.

I know what you're referring to, but I have no idea how that number was derived.
 It could correspond to the maximum density of slide film, in which case the
ability of a scanner to go deeper is useless ...eg: once you're at 15 bits, even
accounting for noise, you are not going to get more info off of the film than
what the film can give... 10^4 = 10,000 corresponds to 13..14 bits without the
noise, 15 bits would do it and cover the noise ... 16 bits is what is available
available in A/D converters...

Cheers,
Alan

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Chris Street - 30 Oct 2004 19:00 GMT
The Plustek OpticFilm 7200 comes with SilverFast SE which includes
Dust & Scratch removal software. However from what I've read I don't
think this software is as effective as Kodaks' ICE at removing dust &
scratches.

Chris Street, DataMind
www.datamind.co.uk

> > Is anyone using the Plustek Opticfilm 7200?
> > Smitty
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> Cheers,
> Alan
 
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