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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Film and Labs / November 2004Velvia 50 discontinued?
Hi, I heard that Velvia 50 will be discontinued but Fuji is putting out another film to replace it. Is there any word on this? If so, what film is replacing it and what is it like? I don't know if it is rumor? bucko > I heard that Velvia 50 will be discontinued but Fuji is putting out > another film to replace it. Is there any word on this? If so, what film > is replacing it and what is it like? I don't know if it is rumor? > bucko Hadn't heard it. Is there anything on www.fujifilm.com or www.fujifilm.co.jp? > Hi, > > I heard that Velvia 50 will be discontinued but Fuji is putting out > another film to replace it. Is there any word on this? If so, what film > is replacing it and what is it like? I don't know if it is rumor? Where did you hear this? Got sources to link to?  Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- Hi, I work for a photolab in Seattle, and sometimes the Fuji rep comes by. He showed some Velvia 100 about 3 months ago. I believe that is what is being sold in professional camera stores. I am NOT sure if Velvia 50 has been discontinued or if there is simply a 100 speed version in addition. David A. >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Where did you hear this? Got sources to link to? > I work for a photolab in Seattle, and sometimes the Fuji rep comes by. > He showed some Velvia 100 about 3 months ago. I believe that is what is > being sold in professional camera stores. I am NOT sure if Velvia 50 > has been discontinued or if there is simply a 100 speed version in > addition. -100F has been sold here for about a year now. -The addition of 100F is to give an extra stop of light to work with, with little if any additional grain. So it's possible, but has not been announced to date. (Could be they're trying to guage how the new film affects sales of the 50). -Next time the rep drops in, ask him if 50 might disappear -Please don't top post replies. Cheers, Alan Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- Alan... What is the root of resistance to top-posting? I'm asking in a manner of curiosity. With my reader (Agent 2.0), it seems so much easier to read responses as they come up on the top portion of the message reading screen rather than scrolling down on the typically excessive quoting that seems to be common. I've already read the post that is being responded to and would rather not scroll down to a reply. Again, I'm asking in a cordial, inquiring manner and not trying to argue. If there is a logic behind top-posting that makes sense to me, I'll certainly change my ways. I'm a former sysop from before the common use of the Internet and likely developed a sensitivity to over-quoting as we were using long distance at 300 baud to hold Fidonet (and others) communicating costs to a minimum. My off-line readers and editors defaulted to top-posting so this also formed my habit, I suppose. >-Please don't top post replies. > >Cheers, >Alan Craig Schroeder craig nospam craigschroeder com -Eschew Obfuscation- > Alan... What is the root of resistance to top-posting? I'm asking in > a manner of curiosity. example: A: Because it makes reading the sequence of posts difficult Q: Why? A: No Q: Should I top post? That is the standard example. Two nettiquette "standards" applying to usenet postings: 1) snip away irrelevant text; 2) bottom post (and/or interleave the replies). > With my reader (Agent 2.0), it seems so much easier to read responses > as they come up on the top portion of the message reading screen > rather than scrolling down on the typically excessive quoting that Snipping is also encouraged. Not everyone has seen the thread from the origin (and may not be able to if it has expired). So an "in-order" posting is easier to follow for people who jump into the thread. Snipping helps reduce the post to the essentials. From time to time somebody will state (like you): "my reader does..." but that is pretty irrelvant, the reader has to start somewhere, and the top is as good as any for a text message editor (mine optionally will go to the bottom). > seems to be common. I've already read the post that is being > responded to and would rather not scroll down to a reply. Again, I'm Again, not everyone jumping in has seen the origins of the thread. > asking in a cordial, inquiring manner and not trying to argue. If > there is a logic behind top-posting that makes sense to me, I'll > certainly change my ways. Bearing in mind that 98% of usenet statistics are made up on the spot, I'd say about 80% or more prefer bottom posting as it is intrinsically easier to read. In my opinion, snipping and bottom posting are politeness issues ... so it seem polite to actually read all of the other persons post, polite to make an effort to snip, polite to make an effort to make the entire message readable. This politeness is for the collective good and pays off for everyone over time. Some (not all) who top post have selfish motives. "Last word" syndrome and placing their sig lines near the top of messages in a thread. The sig line in this case bearing links to their web page. That such people usually have little of value to contribute doesn't seem to hold them back in the least. > I'm a former sysop from before the common use of the Internet and > likely developed a sensitivity to over-quoting as we were using long > distance at 300 baud to hold Fidonet (and others) communicating costs been there. > to a minimum. My off-line readers and editors defaulted to > top-posting so this also formed my habit, I suppose. For e-mail, I prefer top posted replies, but that is usually between a limited number of people for a limited duration. Usenet postings more often can run for a long time, so snip/bottom helps. I guess I picked up the snip/bottom habit very early in my usenet days. I admit that this is an *issue* for me to the point that I become an irritating bottom-post advocate. I believe that in the end it saves everyone else time when I invest my time in making something more readable; therefore the same courtesy is desired from others. Cheers, Alan Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- > [ OT - why not top post ] > Again, not everyone jumping in has seen the origins of the thread. Not only that, but Usenet does not have guaranteed delivery, and posts are time-ordered by datestamp, which is often inaccurate due to shoddy PC clocking, so giving top-context also helps in those cases. > In my opinion, snipping and bottom posting are politeness issues ... Failure to snip adequately is worse than bottom posting in my mind, but Alan seldom complains about lack of snippage. Hey, getting back on topic, has anybody seen Kodak Ultra Color 400 for sale at department stores for a really great price? I got some at Target for $8.99 a 36x3-pack, same price as for High Definition 400 in a 24x3-pack! Getting back on the Velvia 50 topic, I hope that Fuji will eventually fiddle with Velvia 100 non-F (Japan only) so Velvia 50 shooters are happy with it, then discontinue Velvia 50. > Alan seldom complains about lack of snippage. You're right. I'll now make it a cause to be championed... Well, off to the woods with my humble 35mm (renting a 'blad has really screwed me up). Cheers, Alan Signature-- rec.photo.equipment.35mm user resource: -- http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch.-- What you need to do is move up to a newsreader capable of threading. That way you can read a thread from begining to end. Once you move into the modern era of reading news you'll realise that it's far easier to read the posts when the replies are on the top. It saves from scrolling to the bottom of each and every post. : > Alan... What is the root of resistance to top-posting? I'm asking in : > a manner of curiosity. : example: : A: Because it makes reading the sequence of posts difficult : Q: Why? : A: No : Q: Should I top post? : That is the standard example. Two nettiquette "standards" applying to usenet : postings: 1) snip away irrelevant text; 2) bottom post (and/or interleave the : replies). : > With my reader (Agent 2.0), it seems so much easier to read responses : > as they come up on the top portion of the message reading screen : > rather than scrolling down on the typically excessive quoting that : Snipping is also encouraged. Not everyone has seen the thread from the origin : (and may not be able to if it has expired). So an "in-order" posting is easier : to follow for people who jump into the thread. : Snipping helps reduce the post to the essentials. From time to time somebody : will state (like you): "my reader does..." but that is pretty irrelvant, the : reader has to start somewhere, and the top is as good as any for a text message : editor (mine optionally will go to the bottom). : > seems to be common. I've already read the post that is being : > responded to and would rather not scroll down to a reply. Again, I'm : Again, not everyone jumping in has seen the origins of the thread. : > asking in a cordial, inquiring manner and not trying to argue. If : > there is a logic behind top-posting that makes sense to me, I'll : > certainly change my ways. : Bearing in mind that 98% of usenet statistics are made up on the spot, I'd say : about 80% or more prefer bottom posting as it is intrinsically easier to read. : In my opinion, snipping and bottom posting are politeness issues ... so it seem : polite to actually read all of the other persons post, polite to make an effort : to snip, polite to make an effort to make the entire message readable. This : politeness is for the collective good and pays off for everyone over time. : Some (not all) who top post have selfish motives. "Last word" syndrome and : placing their sig lines near the top of messages in a thread. The sig line in : this case bearing links to their web page. That such people usually have little : of value to contribute doesn't seem to hold them back in the least. : > I'm a former sysop from before the common use of the Internet and : > likely developed a sensitivity to over-quoting as we were using long : > distance at 300 baud to hold Fidonet (and others) communicating costs : been there. : > to a minimum. My off-line readers and editors defaulted to : > top-posting so this also formed my habit, I suppose. : For e-mail, I prefer top posted replies, but that is usually between a limited : number of people for a limited duration. Usenet postings more often can run for : a long time, so snip/bottom helps. : I guess I picked up the snip/bottom habit very early in my usenet days. I admit : that this is an *issue* for me to the point that I become an irritating : bottom-post advocate. I believe that in the end it saves everyone else time : when I invest my time in making something more readable; therefore the same : courtesy is desired from others. : Cheers, : Alan SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com > What you need to do is move up to a newsreader capable of threading. That way you > can read a thread from begining to end. Once you move into the modern era of > reading news you'll realise that it's far easier to read the posts when the > replies are on the top. It saves from scrolling to the bottom of each and every > post. 1) My news reader threads 2) Top posting, and lack of "snipping" is still rude. Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- [SI rulz] http://www.aliasimages.com/si/rulz.html -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of Usenet, not just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern windowed newsreaders and relatively large caches of older messages, top posting seems to be widely preferred. Top posting is not "rude." Of course, if you are still using an early version of UNIX and a 300-baud ADM-3A, where you cannot page up and down while reading a message, top posting may be somewhat inconvenient for you. But that is not the world in which we live. > 2) Top posting, and lack of "snipping" is still rude. : People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of Usenet, not : just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern windowed : newsreaders and relatively large caches of older messages, top posting seems : to be widely preferred. Top posting is not "rude." I remember the flame wars about top posting 15 years ago. More likely then not it started with the first two people that ever posted on usenet. : Of course, if you are still using an early version of UNIX and a 300-baud : ADM-3A, where you cannot page up and down while reading a message, top : posting may be somewhat inconvenient for you. But that is not the world in : which we live. In the days of slow connections top posting with a threading newsreader is even more preferable. SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com I find the most objectional practice is the one where long articles are not snipped and are reposted entirely, thereby leaving the reader to scroll to the bottom for a one line reply. Then there's the posting style that doesn't do anything but repost the article without comment. The style that does not seperate the quote from the response and the style that misquotes what the previous poster said. & of course The posters that don't read the thread enough to keep from posting almost identical information to what someone else stated. Not that any of us three are guilty of any of these practices mind you ;^) > : People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of Usenet, not > : just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern windowed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > In the days of slow connections top posting with a threading newsreader is even > more preferable. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 The problem with snipping long threads is that it can be a challenge to keep the context of what you're replying to and it's very hard to keep the attributes straight. There are times however when a thread gets to a length were it needs to be "trimmed". :-) Of course we would never do any of those things. :-) : I find the most objectional practice is the one where long articles are : not snipped and are reposted entirely, thereby leaving the reader to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : stated. Not that any of us three are guilty of any of these practices mind : you ;^) : > : People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of Usenet, not : > : just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern windowed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : > In the days of slow connections top posting with a threading newsreader is even : > more preferable. : "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, : or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, : is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable : to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com > The problem with snipping long threads is that it can be a challenge to keep the > context of what you're replying to and it's very hard to keep the attributes straight. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > : stated. Not that any of us three are guilty of any of these practices mind > : you ;^) I try to keep my reply and the points I am responding to within the bounds of my 15" monitor screen. I also scroll up with the curser and delete any "blank" spaces ;-) there by reserving them for myself :^) I guess if need be one could post seperate points and snips as seperate posts, although that probably would get tedious. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 > People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of Usenet, not > just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern windowed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > posting may be somewhat inconvenient for you. But that is not the world in > which we live. Regretfully, you are wrong. Top posting IS rude as the reply comes before the whatever the repy refers to. This principle holds regardless of bandwidth. Most people, in fact, bottom post and snip irrelevancies. Cheers, Alan Signature-- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- [SI rulz] http://www.aliasimages.com/si/rulz.html -- [SI gallery] www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: there's no such thing as a FreeLunch. > > People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of Usenet, not > > just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern windowed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > posting may be somewhat inconvenient for you. But that is not the world in > > which we live. Why don't we compromise and post in the middle? Bob > Regretfully, you are wrong. Top posting IS rude as the reply comes before the whatever the repy refers to. This principle holds regardless of bandwidth. > Most people, in fact, bottom post and snip irrelevancies. > > Cheers, > Alan we > Michael A. Covington wrote: could > all > > People who use Usenet should follow the accepted practices of post Usenet, not down > > just those of 15 years ago, but those of today. With modern the windowed side > > newsreaders and relatively large caches of older messages, top like posting seems this. > > to be widely preferred. Top posting is not "rude." That > > way > > Of course, if you are still using an early version of UNIX and a everyone 300-baud can > > ADM-3A, where you cannot page up and down while reading a be message, top happy. > > posting may be somewhat inconvenient for you. But that is not the world in > > which we live. > > Regretfully, you are wrong. Top posting IS rude as the reply comes before the > whatever the repy refers to. This principle holds regardless of bandwidth. > > Most people, in fact, bottom post and snip irrelevancies. > > Cheers, > Alan > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > bucko I think your wrong again Bucko!! SignatureLOL!!! |
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