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Photo Forum / Film Photography / Film and Labs / September 2004Kodak's Ultra Color film
I've just got the 100 speed roll I got in the trial pack Kodak sent me and I like what I see. The colors are saturated the way I like them without being cartoonish. I could see switching to it from Fuji's NPS. I looked around and noticed that they don't have it available as sheet film. Since 95+% of the film I shoot is 4x5 this will be a major sticking point in terms of me switching. I like to use the same film across format (35mm, 120/220, 4x5) and if I can't get it in 4x5 I'll end up sticking with Fuji print film. Does anyone know if Kodak has any plans of making it available in sheet film??  SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com > I've just got the 100 speed roll I got in the trial pack Kodak sent me and I > like what I see. The colors are saturated the way I like them without being [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get it in 4x5 I'll end up sticking with Fuji print film. Does anyone know if > Kodak has any plans of making it available in sheet film?? Frank, I know this is a dumb comment, but Kodak will give you the best answer. Jim : > I've just got the 100 speed roll I got in the trial pack Kodak sent me and : I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] : if : > Kodak has any plans of making it available in sheet film?? : Frank, : I know this is a dumb comment, but Kodak will give you the best answer. I called and the person I got on the phone didn't know!! :-( SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com > : > I like to use the same film across format (35mm, 120/220, 4x5) and if I > : > can't get it in 4x5 I'll end up sticking with Fuji print film. Does [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I called and the person I got on the phone didn't know!! :-( Frank, I doubt it will be made available in 4x5, because Portra 400UC and its successor Ultra Color 400 are still not available in that size. From Kodak you're stuck with 160NC and 160VC, I guess (although I find 160NC to be an absolutely great film). Here's a question for you: do you find that different format film sizes have different emulsion requirements? For example, the high micro-contrast that helps APS and 35mm achieve high resolution may be a drawback for sheet film, causing too-high contrast and resulting in poor tonal transitions. Portra NC & VC 400 were available in sheet film however I deemed the NC version to have rather muted color. > Frank, I doubt it will be made available in 4x5, because Portra 400UC > and its successor Ultra Color 400 are still not available in that size. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > high resolution may be a drawback for sheet film, causing too-high contrast > and resulting in poor tonal transitions. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 : > : > I like to use the same film across format (35mm, 120/220, 4x5) and if I : > : > can't get it in 4x5 I'll end up sticking with Fuji print film. Does [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : > : > I called and the person I got on the phone didn't know!! :-( : Frank, I doubt it will be made available in 4x5, because Portra 400UC : and its successor Ultra Color 400 are still not available in that size. : From Kodak you're stuck with 160NC and 160VC, I guess (although I find : 160NC to be an absolutely great film). I'm sorry to hear that. I tried the Portra films and prefer the Fuji NPS films. I don't do any portrait work and as a result like very saturated films. : Here's a question for you: do you find that different format film sizes : have different emulsion requirements? : For example, the high micro-contrast that helps APS and 35mm achieve : high resolution may be a drawback for sheet film, causing too-high contrast : and resulting in poor tonal transitions. I've never used APS and only use 35mm for low end snapshot type stuff. I normally use LF and use MF when I need the portability. As a result I'm not terribly interested in what makes for a "high quality" image from 35mm. What is important to me, is to be able to use the same film across the film formats that I use. I want to be able to become comfortable with a limited types of film. Otherwise there are to many things to keep track of. In any case I thank you for your quick reply and humbly ask that you pass my request for the Ultra Color 100 film in 4x5 up the marketing chain. :-) SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com > In any case I thank you for your quick reply and humbly ask that you pass my > request for the Ultra Color 100 film in 4x5 up the marketing chain. :-) For 35mm, I found that Ultra Color 400 is less grainy than Ultra Color 100. Perhaps UC100 is sharper or something, but I could not see that in scans. Have you tried UC400 yet? Don't know if I would consider NPS as very saturated, Its a good match for Provia 100 if your doing conventional prints. Provia to my eye is more a normal rendering film than say E100VS or Velvia which I classify as very saturated. Provia versus say EPN however would lead one to say Provia is more saturated. For 35mm work I actually prefer Sensia to Provia as Sensia is a little warmer it seems and a little more saturated. > I'm sorry to hear that. I tried the Portra films and prefer the Fuji NPS > films. > I don't do any portrait work and as a result like very saturated films. SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 : Don't know if I would consider NPS as very saturated, : Its a good match for Provia 100 if your doing conventional prints. I agree about NPS not being super saturated. I like the film and it's colors. It also meets my requirement of being available in 35mm, 120/220, and 4x5. I used to use Kodak's Royal Gold 100 for 35mm but switched to NPS when they dropped it. : Provia to my eye is more a normal rendering film than say E100VS or : Velvia which I classify as very saturated. I switched to E100vs about a year and a half ago. Until then I was using Ecktachrome 64 but was getting the feeling that Kodak was looking to drop it. I decided on E100VS after I got a couple of rolls of all the non-consumer grade slide film I could get my hands on. I preferred the results I got from E100VS. The only one I didn't like were the two E100G films. I found the colors to flat for my liking. I know a lot of people that like the Fuji transparency film. I guess it's a matter of personal taste.?.??? On the positive side I don't do much with color. :-) As an example I just got back from 5 half days (it rained every day in theafternoon) of photography in the Colorado Rockies. While there I went through 70 sheets and 10 120 rolls of Tmax-100, 5 sheets and 6 35mm rolls of E100VS. I shot no color negative film!! : Provia versus say EPN however would lead one to say Provia : is more saturated. For 35mm work I actually prefer Sensia : to Provia as Sensia is a little warmer it seems and a little more : saturated. : > I'm sorry to hear that. I tried the Portra films and prefer the Fuji NPS : > films. : > I don't do any portrait work and as a result like very saturated films. : "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, : or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, : is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable : to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com I use both, Kodak and Fuji- I tend to prefer different films for different uses, If I could only use one E6 film it would be Provia. But I also like the E100G films they are saturated under the circumstances I use them for which is long exposures under interior lighting. Every film has a personality and using different filters can show the strengths and weaknesses of specific film under specific use.... so hopefully we won't have to be limited to Kodak or Fuji. > I know a lot of people that like the Fuji transparency film. I guess it's a > matter of personal taste.?.??? SignatureLF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 : I use both, Kodak and Fuji- I tend to prefer different films for : different uses, If I could only use one E6 film it would be Provia. I know many people that use Provia with excellent result. It's a fine film. : But I also like the E100G films they are saturated under the : circumstances I use them for which is long exposures under interior : lighting. It may be that the E100G films work best with controlled lighting indoors. Most of what I do is outdoor landscape with the occasional close up of flowers and other plant life. For those situations I prefer the high saturation although non-cartoonish colors of E100VS. Again it's a matter of personal preference. After all if there was the one perfect film there would be no need for all the different types. :-) : Every film has a personality and using different filters can : show the strengths and weaknesses of specific film under specific : use.... so hopefully we won't have to be limited to Kodak or Fuji. True!!! As I mentioned that's why there are different films and it's important to know what films work under different conditions. As a capitalist I believe that competition is a good thing for all involved and therefore think it's important that Kodak has real competitor. As a personal matter as a US company I prefer to use Kodak film and use that as a deciding factor when all else is equal. The reason I switched to Fuji for color negative film is that I got tired of having Kodak discontinue a film just as I was getting used to it and then have to start all over again. When they dropped their Royal Gold 100 I switched to Fuji NPS and only looked back with the Ultra Color film. I just wish they made it in sheet film. :-( : > I know a lot of people that like the Fuji transparency film. I guess it's a : > matter of personal taste.?.??? : "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, : or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, : is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable : to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918 SignatureKeep working millions on welfare depend on you ------------------- fwp@deepthought.com << Does anyone know if Kodak has any plans of making it available in sheet film?? >> Pose that question to: ronbaird@kodak.com He is on the inside and he will either know the answer or can get it for you. Greetings Frank, I appreciate your interest Kodak film. I have to agree that this film is one of the best we have ever made. Actually, Portra 160NC and 160VC have been (since 1998) and continue to be available in all formats. Our new UC film is currently only in a roll film. Unfortunately, not all of our films are available in all formats. UC films presently fall into the latter catagory. Stay tuned, however, as we bring out new products and features all the time. Remember, though, that it is the user that dictates availability and format, etc. Kodak will make what you want, if enough people want it. Talk to you soon. Ron Baird Eastman Kodak Company > I've just got the 100 speed roll I got in the trial pack Kodak sent me and I > like what I see. The colors are saturated the way I like them without being [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > get it in 4x5 I'll end up sticking with Fuji print film. Does anyone know if > Kodak has any plans of making it available in sheet film?? > Greetings Frank, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Ron Baird > Eastman Kodak Company While you're here. Can I ask if Colour printing filters are still being made by Kodak? Thanks Nick Hi Nick, I can appreciate the interest. Yes, Wratten CC and CP filters are still made by EK. Color Print Viewing Filters are not. You can get from professional dealers. Ron Baird > > I appreciate your interest Kodak film. I have to agree that this film is > > one of the best we have ever made. Actually, Portra 160NC and 160VC have [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thanks > Nick > Hi Nick, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ron Baird Nobody seems to stocks a set of filters. I checked a few dealer online catalogs and it seems at most they stock one or two different ones. At least in the catalog. I only really need them for the extreme cases that over load my enlargers filters but I'd still rather buy a set. Thanks Nick << Nobody seems to stocks a set of filters. >> I have a set of 5x5 in. CP filters I will give you if you want them. (I've tried to sell them several times on the photo boards but got no takers.) They are "used" but have been kept in cool dry dark storage. I have the following filters: CP2B CP10R CP20R CP40R CP80R (You probably know that red=yellow+magenta.) CP05C CP10C CP20C 2-CP40C CP05Y CP10Y CP20Y CP40Y CP80Y CP05M CP10M CP20M 2-CP40M I got these filters a few years ago when I purchased an Omega D-II enlarger and accessories from a professional photographer who was closing his lab. He used them in the 4x5 enlarger, but I have not used them. These filters have been 'trimmed' (i.e., corners rounded) to fit the filter drawer of the D-II. When I was doing my own color printing (mid-1970's) I started with a Durst 606 and later got a Beseler 23C with a color head and analyzer. With the Durst I used CP filters. A Kodak mentor told me about red being magenta+yellow, and since the total number of filter surfaces used to be a concern (maybe it still is) using one red filter eliminated 2 or more filter surfaces! If interested, send me a snail mail address. Best regards, David Hodge, Churchville, MD email: davehodge@aol.com << I have a set of 5x5 in. CP filters I will give you if you want them. >> I have tried twice to contact zentena@hophead.dyndns.org and his address bombed both times. Is there anyone else out there who would like to have a free set of Kodak CP filters? If so just email me at: davehodge!aol.com, and send me a snail mail address. > << I have a set of 5x5 in. CP filters I will give you if you want them. >> > > I have tried twice to contact zentena@hophead.dyndns.org and his address bombed > both times. Sorry about that. It's an old email address. I don't think they'd fit my enlarger if they've been trimmed. Thanks Nick << Sorry about that. It's an old email address. I don't think they'd fit my enlarger if they've been trimmed. Thanks Nick >> Thanks for the response. David You may want to ask Ron Baird where Kodak is having their film Manufactured you may be surprised! photobossman > << Sorry about that. It's an old email address. I don't think they'd fit > my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks for the response. David Greetings Photobossman, Well, actually, the film is created right in good ol Rochester, NY, as well as other locations around the world where it makes sense to be. Since Kodak is a global company we have manufacturing in all parts of the world, and, of course, film is included. No different than most global companies and their products today. It is a part of being competitive in a global economy. Talk to you soon. Ron Baird Eastman Kodak Company > You may want to ask Ron Baird where Kodak is having their film Manufactured > you may be surprised! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Thanks for the response. David |
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