> Paper and chemicals are still being made to the best of my knowledge. I
> believe it's the last direct positive print material being made since Kodak
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> Jim
Thanks for all your helpful comments. Two follow up questions:
1. The only lab printing Cibachrome/Ilfochrome in Albuquerque - the
nearest to me in New Mexico - has recently closed. If Ilfochrome
printing is still available has anyone any suggestions as to the best
place to obtain Ilfochrome prints?
2. What are the other alternatives for getting exhibition quality
color prints from 2 ¼ x 2 ¼ and 35mm color transparencies?
Ifan
Michael Weinstein - 13 Sep 2004 01:00 GMT
>> Paper and chemicals are still being made to the best of my knowledge.
>> I believe it's the last direct positive print material being made since
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> Ifan
Try Holland Photo: http://www.hollandphoto.com/index2.htm
You'll have to do it by mail because they are in Austin Texas. They do
very fine Ilfochromes including the use of silver masks for high
contrast slides. This is a quote from their website:
Making fine prints from slides has been Holland Photo's specialty since
1981. Our choice as a medium is the Ilfochrome Process.
(Formerly called Cibachrome)
Hope this helps.

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Photobossman - 13 Sep 2004 05:14 GMT
There are a number of reasons why Labs have stopped processing Type R as
well as K-14
The chemicals are expensive.
Maintaining Quality control Expensive.
Volume of the products dropping.
Environmental issues these chemistries are not very kind to the environment.
Gary
>>> Paper and chemicals are still being made to the best of my knowledge. I
>>> believe it's the last direct positive print material being made since
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> Hope this helps.
Mr 645 - 22 Sep 2004 13:39 GMT
<<<There are a number of reasons why Labs have stopped processing Type R as
well as K-14
The chemicals are expensive.
Maintaining Quality control Expensive.
Volume of the products dropping.
Environmental issues these chemistries are not very kind to the environment.>>>
Lets not forget that Kodak is no longer making K-14 films, I'm sure prepackages
processing materials are on their way out, if not gone already as well.
Ilfochrome? Isn't Ilford getting out of the analog photography industry to
concentrate on inkjet and other digital products?
Jon
James Robinson - 22 Sep 2004 15:02 GMT
> Lets not forget that Kodak is no longer making K-14 films, I'm sure prepackages
> processing materials are on their way out, if not gone already as well.
Kodak is still making K-14 film. Kodachrome 64 and 200 are both
available.
> Ilfochrome? Isn't Ilford getting out of the analog photography industry to
> concentrate on inkjet and other digital products?
No. The company has gone into receivership. That doesn't mean they are
getting out of the business. They will likely split off the profitable
digital and inkjet division from the losing B&W division. If they can
financially reorganize the latter, it will probably be set up as a
separate company. At the moment, Ilfochrome is made by the inkjet
division in Switzerland, and there is no indication of what will happen
to that product.
Ifan - 13 Sep 2004 06:03 GMT
... And another thing has just occured to me ... following up on the
comment by Jim Phelps. If a digital file was produced by scanning the
slide, should not the Fuji Crystal archive print have been of an equal
quality?
Ifan
Ifan - 13 Sep 2004 06:04 GMT
... And another thing has just occured to me ... following up on the
comment by Jim Phelps. If a digital file was produced by scanning the
slide, should not the Fuji Crystal archive print have been of an equal
quality?
Ifan
Jim Phelps - 13 Sep 2004 07:02 GMT
> ... And another thing has just occured to me ... following up on the
> comment by Jim Phelps. If a digital file was produced by scanning the
> slide, should not the Fuji Crystal archive print have been of an equal
> quality?
>
> Ifan
No. Like I said, you can't compare an RA-4 print (the Fuji Crystal Archive
is RA-4, the same process as prints from negatives) to an Ilfochrome. The
dyes used are so widely different. The process is so different. Azo dyes
are also used to make the dyes for the clothing industry among other things.
The apparent sharpness you see in the Ilfochrome is due to the large
increase in tonal and Dmax/Dmin contrast. The yellows are deeper yellow,
the blues deeper... etc. The vibrance of the colors is also greater and
therefore the eye tends to understand this as increase sharpness (that is,
if the print was properly focused for both prints).
There is another possible variable in the process and that's the base
material used for the Ilfochrome. There are two base materials used. The
cheaper of the two is the standard 'RC' or resin coated paper. This is the
base material used by Fuji for Crystal Archive. Normally, for
professionally made Ilfochrome prints, they use the more expensive and
durable paper which has a polyester base. The polyester has (IMHO) a
cleaner and purer white than RC bases (in general). This will aid in the
reflection of light especially in highlights and produce a more vibrant
overall picture.
The use of the Azo dyes and the polyester base will also produce a print
that (from a quality stand point) is more stable dimensionally and archival.
It will outlast many of us (if not all).
So, in many ways, the Ilfochrome is a much better print. It's also going to
be much more expensive. If you're looking for exhibition quality, then the
price may not be as important. The other option you may have is learn to
print them yourself. However, this is not something you can learn overnight
and I'd be very surprised to see the local Community College offering a
course. However, they may offer a course in darkroom skills that would be
the right start. Another place to start is some of the better local camera
shops. Ask if there's a local artist who prints Ilfochrome. They may be
able to do a good job.
BTW, Love Albuquerque. I was there a couple of times for school at
Kirkland. Loved wandering through the Sandia park and hills. Remember
quite vividly rounding a corner on the road to Sandia peak and there in the
middle of the road was a rather large bear. We let Yogi have the right of
way...
Ifan - 13 Sep 2004 07:01 GMT
... And another thing has just occured to me ... following up on the
comment by Jim Phelps. If a digital file was produced by scanning the
slide, should not the Fuji Crystal archive print have been of an equal
quality?
Ifan
Ifan - 13 Sep 2004 07:01 GMT
... And another thing has just occured to me ... following up on the
comment by Jim Phelps. If a digital file was produced by scanning the
slide, should not the Fuji Crystal archive print have been of an equal
quality?
Ifan
Ifan - 15 Sep 2004 01:03 GMT
> ... And another thing has just occured to me ... following up on the
> comment by Jim Phelps. If a digital file was produced by scanning the
> slide, should not the Fuji Crystal archive print have been of an equal
> quality?
My apologies for this unintended multiple posts - a glitch in the
uploading process made it appear that the reply was not being posted.