Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
I have to make the first shots on Sunday and am not sure about the new
Sensia 100 and don't know if I can get enough Velvia 50 tomorrow.
What else would you recommend for this topic? Any special consumer Kodak
slides or consumer Agfa slides?
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Peter Eisenburger
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Nicholas O. Lindan - 29 Apr 2004 23:40 GMT
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany. [Recommendations?]
Kodachrome 64: for the greens of summers.
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They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day
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Renato V. - 30 Apr 2004 06:54 GMT
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
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> Peter Eisenburger
> http://www.petereisenburger.de
Kodak E100VS and Fuji Provia 100 do a good job
Good luck
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John J - 30 Apr 2004 15:00 GMT
> Kodak E100VS and Fuji Provia 100 do a good job
Both are quite contrasty, I would use Sensia instead. It ha the vivid
colours of Provia 100 but without the contrast.
JJ
John J - 30 Apr 2004 15:24 GMT
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Peter Eisenburger
> http://www.petereisenburger.de
I am a fan of Sensia 100 (Astia 100). However the "new" Sensia (Astia 100F)
which I have used has had a significant colour cast in the cyan end of the
spectrum. I can't use it at all. I have bough up big on "old" Sensia 100. I
have now stuck my head in the sand and keep telling myself that it's not
really happening and that "somehow" my stock of "old" Sensia won't run out.
To be a little more realistic, I am hopefull that the batch I tried was
simply crap because there might be some teething problems in the "new"
Sensia 100 production. The "new" Sensia 100 has much finer grain and is
almost "medium format" like. These are the very properties which were
lacking in the "old" Sensia, but which was otherwise perfect. So suddenly
the "new" Sensia 100 was, well, perfect. At least these were my first
impressions before I encountered circumstances which highlighted the colour
cast. I found that the colour cast would be offensive were warming filters
were used but where there was OVER correction. This would usually result in
a warm image, great, but with the "new" Sensia 100 the overcorrection would
result in a green cast, Cyan and yellow/orange=green. Yuck...
My local distributor of the product tells me that no one else has complained
about the colour cast. I'm not sure if this means that Sensia users have
very low standards or if I am the only person to have this problem.
To answer your question, I would use the new sensia but only if you did not
correct with filters such as 81 series.
Sensia is a great general purpose film, lets hope it stays that way.
JJ
Fred A. Miller - 30 Apr 2004 23:59 GMT
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
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> Peter Eisenburger
> http://www.petereisenburger.de
I'd use Kodachrome.
Fred

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Gregory W Blank - 01 May 2004 02:29 GMT
If you can get E100vs do it for vivid color, it is contrasty
but produces excellent color under the right conditions.
Velvia 50 is a keeper also.
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
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> http://www.petereisenburger.de
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Alan Browne - 02 May 2004 17:49 GMT
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
>
> I have to make the first shots on Sunday and am not sure about the new
> Sensia 100 and don't know if I can get enough Velvia 50 tomorrow.
Sensia ('old'), while not as saturated as Velvia, gives very nice color
for flowers and scans nicely too. I hacen't tried the Sensia 100F yet.
Cheers,
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Peter Eisenburger - 12 May 2004 20:34 GMT
Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
http://www.eisenburger.de/Projekte/Schulz/index.html
I'm not yet satisfied with the koi, of course, though these koi pictures
are bitmap edited already. I will test one or two other techniques
including pol filter and will let you know.
I too noticed that my Nikkor zoom is not sharp enough at 28mm. So I'm
trying to get the 28/2.8 at ebay right now :)
Peter
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
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> Peter Eisenburger
> http://www.petereisenburger.de
Sander Vesik - 13 May 2004 17:21 GMT
In rec.photo.film+labs Peter Eisenburger <nospam@nospam-at-all.de> wrote:
> Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>
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> are bitmap edited already. I will test one or two other techniques
> including pol filter and will let you know.
Did you consider a warm-up filter? Some of the pictures have a lot of blue
- I have the same problem my self quite often.
> I too noticed that my Nikkor zoom is not sharp enough at 28mm. So I'm
> trying to get the 28/2.8 at ebay right now :)
>
> Peter

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Javi - 15 May 2004 13:54 GMT
> Did you consider a warm-up filter? Some of the pictures have a lot of blue
> - I have the same problem my self quite often.
It could also be a trouble with the scanner, or a mixture of both.
Peter Eisenburger - 16 May 2004 20:28 GMT
>> Did you consider a warm-up filter? Some of the pictures have a lot of
>> blue
>> - I have the same problem my self quite often.
>
> It could also be a trouble with the scanner, or a mixture of both.
It was the scanner. Scanning Velvia 50 can be cruel. Have not yet any
experience with Velvia 100. Just received my first 25 rolls :)
But yes I have to correct it by adjusting the blue channel in the
scanning process or the colour balance in my bitmap editing software.
Thank you two for having a close look. I worship it because I probably
will order some digital prints from the scans for my customer.
Peter
Alan Browne - 18 May 2004 21:41 GMT
>>> Did you consider a warm-up filter? Some of the pictures have a lot of
>>> blue
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> It was the scanner. Scanning Velvia 50 can be cruel. Have not yet any
> experience with Velvia 100. Just received my first 25 rolls :)
I've rarely had trouble scanning Velvia (50) and the new 100F has
scanned well too (only a couple rolls to date). (Minolta Dimage Scan
Dual and DSE 5400). Some people thin their slides out (EI 40) and this
also helps scanning.
As the poster above says, a warming filter (in the shade on a sunny day)
will help control those blues enormously.

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Peter Eisenburger - 21 May 2004 13:56 GMT
I use the Nikon Coolscan III and found that - at least with the factory
settings - greens in Velvia 50 turn to blue easily. But it can be
corrected in a bitmap editing program easily. I use Corel PhotoPaint.
See the two pictures. One is as you saw it, the other with colour
balance correction and a lot like the original slide.
http://www.eisenburger.de/jpgs/Kiefer_und_Azalee.jpg
http://www.eisenburger.de/jpgs/Kiefer_und_Azalee_korr.jpg
But I will consider the filter nevertheless. Thank you.
Peter
>>>> Did you consider a warm-up filter? Some of the pictures have a lot
>>>> of blue
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> As the poster above says, a warming filter (in the shade on a sunny day)
> will help control those blues enormously.

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Jim Davis - 22 May 2004 01:18 GMT
>Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>
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>are bitmap edited already. I will test one or two other techniques
>including pol filter and will let you know.
I hate to say it, but the colour from my 10D would blow away all those
slide films :-)
Javi - 22 May 2004 10:18 GMT
>>Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>>
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> I hate to say it, but the colour from my 10D would blow away all those
> slide films :-)
Is this a flame or just an off topic?
Jim Davis - 27 May 2004 02:09 GMT
>>>I'm not yet satisfied with the koi, of course, though these koi pictures
>>>are bitmap edited already. I will test one or two other techniques
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>
>Is this a flame or just an off topic?
Not at all. I used to be constantly frustrated with colour from colour
films, scanning, adjusting etc. With my 10d, the colour is usually
spot on and much better than from ANY film. That's one of the best
reasons to go digital. Colours are just way better.

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Alan Browne - 22 May 2004 20:02 GMT
>>Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>>
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> I hate to say it, but the colour from my 10D would blow away all those
> slide films :-)
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Peter Eisenburger - 23 May 2004 07:58 GMT
I beg your pardon. These pictures on the link are only quickly scanned
previews for the customer - which I also showed to the newsgroup and a
thread on photo.net. -
I think you know that if you really want to compare the capabilities of
35 mm Velvia to a digital camera you can start with a camera in the
price range of 8,000 $. Not speaking of middle format.
Peter
>>Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>>
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> I hate to say it, but the colour from my 10D would blow away all those
> slide films :-)

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Jim Davis - 27 May 2004 02:15 GMT
>I beg your pardon. These pictures on the link are only quickly scanned
>previews for the customer - which I also showed to the newsgroup and a
>thread on photo.net. -
So why post crappy scans? One of the beauties of digital is the ease
of processing. Now you have to go back and work for hours to get
something that's still not up to par with digital. I don't understand
why you posted your previews at all if they are not finished.
>I think you know that if you really want to compare the capabilities of
>35 mm Velvia to a digital camera you can start with a camera in the
>price range of 8,000 $. Not speaking of middle format.
Not applicable to most shooting situations, sorry. The old theory you
mention that Velvia is way better than a 6 megapixel camera is only
true in certain circumstances of perfect conditions. But that's up to
you and your shooting style. Somehow I doubt that you really need to
shoot Velvia. Are you enlarging to poster size? Are your subjects
always static? etc etc etc
But don't take my word about all this, visit the webpages of some of
the world's best photographers. You'll find out that their Velvia days
are history. And for many very good reasons. And not necessarily with
8000 dollar cameras either.

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Jim Davis - 27 May 2004 02:20 GMT
>Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>
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>I too noticed that my Nikkor zoom is not sharp enough at 28mm. So I'm
>trying to get the 28/2.8 at ebay right now :)
I went back and looked more closely at those 'previews'. They all look
quite bluish, with some blown out highlights, muddy shadows, and
generally poor snap. Not to mention there is nothing inspiring in the
actual image content.
Since you insist on using a very fine grain film and a zoom is not
sharp enough for you, I am assuming these images will be destined to a
two page spread in Better Homes and Gardens? I think not, if you even
have to post here asking about which film to use. Oh well.
Hey, do yourself a real favour. Rent or borrow a 6 megapixel DSLR for
a day and then come back and tell me what you think.

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Peter Eisenburger - 29 May 2004 17:02 GMT
Oh boy. Doing a resume of your last posts in this thread here would be:
"Why do you post and ask here at all when your pictures aren't perfect
already?"
Yes, the scans were done quick - if you feel scared about it, don't look
at them. As you can easily read in my first message the background of
posting the link was getting advice in a special situation - I didn't
post saying "Look at these great photos!"
Further on I took a look at _your_ portfolio. Only one page - that was
enough. I chose a page also showing a garden:
http://jimdavis.oberro.com/galleries/sumpu/sumpu.html
The pictures there and your statement say it all:
"Note: Showing off the fine quality of these photos on the Web is
impossible. Fine details are lost, colours faded, and lovely tonal
ranges are gone. Please appreciate that these images are sharp and have
excellent quality that is only obvious in a real print. If you like an
image, please go here for a print."
Want me to comment in the same way _you_ did?
Please take a look at my web site at the bottom of the message and
compare. Then make a last post which I leave to you and our conversation
will be ended.
Peter
>>Thank you guys for your help. Here are the first impressions of the garden:
>>
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> Hey, do yourself a real favour. Rent or borrow a 6 megapixel DSLR for
> a day and then come back and tell me what you think.

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Jim Davis - 30 May 2004 00:01 GMT
>Want me to comment in the same way _you_ did?
I think I figured you out now. You DID see my entire website, and
found my old Sumpu page, possibly my worst old crap, (now deleted) to
comment on here and make me look bad. Nice work.
Although I should thank you for pointing out that one can be judged by
one's worst work, and that it's not a good idea to keep some old
nostalgic photos on one's webpage for that reason. But you lied. You
did not happen to click on Sumpu first and not bother with the rest of
my site. You simply wanted me to look bad, so you would look good. I
pity you.

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ThomasH - 13 May 2004 07:41 GMT
> Got a job for garden photography. I was planning to use Velvia 100, but
> they are on back order (?) everywhere here in Germany.
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> What else would you recommend for this topic? Any special consumer Kodak
> slides or consumer Agfa slides?
Agfa CT Precisa is a good choice! I love this material. Its
color balance is warmer than the at times sterile appearing
Sensia. Wolf Faust recommends to use Velvia IT8 profile with
Agfa Precisa. Works quite fine and confirms the higher color
saturation of the CT100 Precisa than in Sensia or Provia.
Thomas
> Thank you for sharing your experience.
>
> Peter Eisenburger
> http://www.petereisenburger.de