Developing TP 2415 shot 20 years ago?

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who? - 29 Feb 2004 23:24 GMT

I found some very old rolls of film today that were exposed but never
developed. The first is a roll of Kodak Technical Pan 2415 (TP 135-36) and
the other is a 110 canister of Fujicolor 200.

The Fujicolor 200 is probably about eight or ten years old and was probably
shot by one of my children so it would be interesting to see what's on the
roll. I'm not too concerned about it though. I'll probably just turn it in
for processing and hope for the best.

However, I am very interested in what might be on the TP 2415. I remember
shooting this roll about 20 years ago (!!!) then misplacing it before I
could get it developed. I'm sure there would be some images on this roll
that I would like to have. I shot the roll at 25 ASA.

I'm wondering if there is even a chance that the TP 2415 can be rescued. I
have long ago stopped doing my own black and white developing so I would
have to use an outside lab.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Dave

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Francis A. Miniter - 01 Mar 2004 01:21 GMT

>I found some very old rolls of film today that were exposed but never
>developed. The first is a roll of Kodak Technical Pan 2415 (TP 135-36) and
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>

Hi Dave,

Yes, it can be developed. I have actually developed in 2000 a roll shot
around 1915. Fog was very high and only one image was useable. Twenty
years is not too bad.

If you want to send it to a lab, I would recommend Film Rescue
International, with addresses in North Dakota and Saskatchewan. See
http://www.filmrescue.com/contact.html.

The owner of the company is or was a regular contributor to
rec.photo.darkroom and has become one of the few experts on development
of old film. Good luck.

Francis A. Miniter

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John Eyles - 01 Mar 2004 15:43 GMT

Interestingly, in a PBS special I saw about the mountaineering
team that looked for Andy Irvine's body but found George Mallory's
(Brits lost in an Everest attempt in the 20's), they said the
explorers had been told by Kodak that if they found their little
camera, there was a good chance some photos would be salvageable,
thereby possibly answering the long-standing mystery of did they
or did they not make it to the summit before their demise.

John

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who? - 02 Mar 2004 00:48 GMT

Hi John,

That is interesting. So did they ever find a camera?

It makes me wonder about the future. How long will an image stay in a CF
card (or a hard drive for that matter) without being read? I have a feeling
that film generally has a longer life.

Dave

> Interestingly, in a PBS special I saw about the mountaineering
> team that looked for Andy Irvine's body but found George Mallory's
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> John

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Bob - 02 Mar 2004 01:13 GMT

> Interestingly, in a PBS special I saw about the mountaineering
> team that looked for Andy Irvine's body but found George Mallory's
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> John

But it's c c c cold, even freezing, on Everest which pretty much stops
film aging.

Did they find the camera and what happened?

Bob

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John Eyles - 03 Mar 2004 23:15 GMT

>> Interestingly, in a PBS special I saw about the mountaineering
>> team that looked for Andy Irvine's body but found George Mallory's
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>Did they find the camera and what happened?

Not on that expedition. They had been told where a body was, by a
Chinese expedition who had found "an English dead" and somehow decided
it was likely Andy Irvine, Mallory's younger partner on the ill-fated
expidition.

But instead, they found Mallory, much to their surprise. THey checked
his body pretty thoroghly and did not find any camera. They were gonna
go back and look for Irvine's, assuming he musta had the camera. I saw
this show a few years back, but I think we woulda heard if they'd
found the other body and certainly the camera.

John

P.S. Check out http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/everest/lost/
for more info.

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who? - 02 Mar 2004 00:42 GMT

Thanks for the information Francis, I'll give them a try.

> >I found some very old rolls of film today that were exposed but never
> >developed. The first is a roll of Kodak Technical Pan 2415 (TP 135-36) and
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> Francis A. Miniter

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DaveHodge - 01 Mar 2004 14:29 GMT

<< I am very interested in what might be on the TP 2415. >>

The usual approach in this situation is to clip off about 5 frames worth of
film and process it as you would have 20 years ago. Then adjust the processing
of the remainder of the film based on the results.

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DM - 09 Mar 2004 06:36 GMT

> << I am very interested in what might be on the TP 2415. >>
>
> The usual approach in this situation is to clip off about 5 frames worth of
> film and process it as you would have 20 years ago. Then adjust the processing
> of the remainder of the film based on the results.

Nope, you'd have to account for aging. If you process the film normally,
you *WILL* get thin, unprintable negs. I've not done this with TechPan
but have tried this on Tri-X and I had to increase dev times by quite
a bit.

So... even when you start the clip test, increase dev times by 20-50% or
maybe more. I am not sure how TechPan ages.

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