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Miguel - 04 Jul 2009 01:13 GMT Hello:
I did this last photo of the species.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mmyv/3684698031/
Thanks for your comments about photography.
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How Very Sad - 04 Jul 2009 02:11 GMT >Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks for your comments about photography. Your photos make me want to never see a caged-bird ever again in my lifetime.
Just look at the chipping toxic paint on those cages, chewed off in desperation by all the frustrated and frightened animals that must have been through them. Few probably survived. Then you make it even worse by terrorizing them with the flash on your camera. The last ones you posted clearly showed the bird desperately trying to get away from you as far as possible.
Something good might come out of it though. If enough people see your photos they'll stop buying birds that are caged and treated like this. Instead putting the people who do this in their own cages and finally out of business, for what they've done to these animals. Documenting your very own crimes.
Miguel - 04 Jul 2009 02:35 GMT >>Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > of business, for what they've done to these animals. Documenting your very > own crimes. These parrots, and other animals that I am taking photos, they are registered and protected by The National Institute of Natural Resources (INRENA).
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How Very Sad - 04 Jul 2009 03:54 GMT >>>Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >registered and protected by The National Institute of Natural Resources >(INRENA). INRENA, only exists in Peru. It is not recognized as a valid organization in any other part of the world. A local organization to protect their financial interests in raping the forests for profit. The same way that the organizations in Florida USA create their own financial-interest facade-organizations for profit and political gains. Acts such as; raising the imported and invasive West-Indies Manatee to protected-species status, just so the wealthy can use the manatee's presence to keep speed-boaters and low-income projects away from the wealthy's resort shores and increase their property values even more. While the imported and invasive manatee is wiping out thousands of native Florida fish species from over-grazing the native species' breeding habitats. Or how about how they wiped out a whole species of native trout in Montana by introducing another type of fresh-water shrimp in the hopes they would increase fisherman's resources and in turn their local tourism wealth. Or maybe the "Endangered Florida Panther" that is 100% genetically identical with the Puma, Mountain Lion, Cougar, etc. (same animal, different names). Just so the politicians in Florida could throw people off of their lands and grab that land for their own gains. Did you know there are capped-off oil fields in that area? The very same area where they invented the concept of the "Endangered Florida Panther". Check any older topographic maps for the eye-opener, where they didn't "disappear" all those capped-off oil-wells just yet. Yes, I know all about how these "natural resource" agencies work. All too well.
That makes it better, right? Protected by a local "natural resources" agency. The same way that the whales used to be protected by the whaling industry. But you go on, you just keep convincing yourself that taking rare and beautiful birds from the rainforests just so someone can pocket some money, is the right thing to do. While you use the animals' suffering for your remedial (beginner's) snapshots. We've all seen the videos of how rain-forest birds arrive in other countries, crammed into crates, stacked like socks in a drawer, less than 10% surviving, and any of those that do survive are severely traumatized for life. We're not as naive as any of you might want to believe.
Sigh ...
Miguel - 04 Jul 2009 17:10 GMT >>>>Hello: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > you > might want to believe. Finally, to the information of all the true readers of photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these parrots and others animals that I am taking photos, there is an exhibition license (or similar) given by INRENA, that is to say, that they cannot be sold or removed out of the country.
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Lloyd W. - 04 Jul 2009 17:31 GMT > Finally, to the information of all the true readers of photography of the > newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these parrots and others animals that I > am taking photos, there is an exhibition license (or similar) given by > INRENA, that is to say, that they cannot be sold or removed out of the > country. So you put them in cages to keep an eye on them?
Paul Furman - 04 Jul 2009 18:10 GMT >> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of photography of the >> newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these parrots and others animals that I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So you put them in cages to keep an eye on them? So what's the story Miguel? Are these confiscated from poachers, injured birds being treated for release to the wild or what? A bureaucrat's private collection?
Frank ess - 04 Jul 2009 22:06 GMT >>> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of >>> photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > injured birds being treated for release to the wild or what? A > bureaucrat's private collection? Their (INRENA's) Web site seems to indicate it is a genuine governmental agency who have earned at least one environmental organzation's award for some water control project or study.
Unfortunately, there are other sites that indicate the agency is as corrupt as, or corrupter than, other notorious sellers-of-privilege in various parts of the world. As for Miguel's photos, I wouldn't let them upset me enough to generate an over-the-top rant until he speaks to the questions about what part the isolated pictures play in the agency's plans, and what other plans they have for endangered birds/animals.
You want to rant about loss of living-thing varieties, look into Hawai'i and its vanishing fauna and flora. That should set you off for fair.
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Savageduck - 04 Jul 2009 22:38 GMT >>>> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of >>>> photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Hawai'i and its vanishing fauna and flora. That should set you off for > fair. I have a feeling Miguel is actually naive in this regard, and doesn't actually get the implication of the caged birds. He sees birds and he takes the photographs without a thought. He has no idea the way they are caged is wrong, and he is still trying to defend his position by invoking the dubious ceritfication of INRENA
I think he believes, because this agency says what it does is ok, it is. This current debate may be an education for him.
As far as photography goes he is probably sincere in wanting to improve, but he is trapped in a strange cultural blackhole. He just doesn't get it.
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Savageduck
tony cooper - 04 Jul 2009 22:45 GMT >>>>> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of >>>>> photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >improve, but he is trapped in a strange cultural blackhole. He just >doesn't get it. A person reading the photography newsgroups might not understand this, but photography can just be something one does for the enjoyment of it. The results don't have to be good if they please the person taking the photographs.
Miguel is evidently getting some enjoyment from his photographs. I see no reason to criticize his output or his subject matter. Let the guy have his fun.
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How Very Sad - 04 Jul 2009 23:23 GMT >>>> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of >>>> photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Hawai'i and its vanishing fauna and flora. That should set you off for >fair. The situation in Hawaii is precisely what originally motivates me to take such a strong stance on, what appears to be, Miguel's exploitation and support of the suffering of rain-forest species, just so he can take his "happy snapshots" at their expense. Pitifully poor beginner's snapshots at that
When I was living in Hawaii in the 60's I was going to start up a business of collecting exotic reef fishes for home aquarists. Within the first week of researching my business options I learned of how many species became totally extinct from that practice. More are still becoming extinct to this very day. I immediately smashed my brand-new slurp-gun, put it in the trash, and never looked back. I now make sure to educate every ignorant salt-water aquarist on the fact that they are doing nothing but creating decorative, self-serving, death-traps which only harm the future of humanity. (Without the full spectrum of bio-diversity, we will all perish.) Since then I have traveled the globe to witness the foolishness of all these "government agencies" that claim they are on top of things and making the best decisions for all. Always with my camera in hand to document their idiocy and stupidity. I am one of the few that watches "Big Brother", I watch and record the behaviors of the watchers, much to their great dismay. Copies always sent far and wide just to be sure someone has a copy. (See previous post for how amazingly stupid, self-serving, blatantly obvious, and foolish the publicly-funded and voted-in employees of these "government" agencies truly are.)
This isn't a matter of national priorities. At this stage in the game it is a matter every-human's-on-earth international priorities. Not just a concern of the self-serving, ego-driven, immaturely power-tripping, local government employee peons that claim to represent us, but never do. What Miguel might be supporting could be, and probably is, directly harming us all. I've spent a lifetime of witnessing and documenting this self-serving behavior of total idiots. I'm not about to sit idly by and witness the very same behaviors in a newsgroup, where I sometimes try to get a temporary reprieve from constantly seeing this overwhelming stupidity of humanity. I've already witnessed this everywhere else that I've ever step foot on this earth.
Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever see it coming when it finally does.
Ray Fischer - 05 Jul 2009 00:30 GMT >Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent >pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever >see it coming when it finally does. You might get your wish, since the means will be widespread within a decade. But what's the point of wiping out most of humanity in order to protect humanity?
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How Very Sad - 05 Jul 2009 01:01 GMT >>Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent >>pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >decade. But what's the point of wiping out most of humanity in order >to protect humanity? There's a huge difference between wiping out all of humanity, which is exactly what will happen if they keep mindlessly breeding at the rate they do now and destroying all ecosystems as they are doing now. The difference is between no survival of humanity at all and a truncated continuation, a noted success. By wiping out only 90%+ of them then at least the <10% will have a chance to continue on as a species. Hopefully learning from their grave errors (no pun, intentional double entendre) of their deceased ancestors. Then if not, if they're that amazingly stupid to not have learned such a ridiculously simple lesson, then I I'll also hope and pray that they don't ever get a second chance. The unforgiving laws of nature would be smart enough to not allow something like "humans" to ever happen again.
I would gleefully volunteer to be the very first to jump onto the sacrificial alter if it could be guaranteed that I get to take 90%+ of them with me. It would be more than worth it to save the hundreds of thousands of species that they are mindlessly destroying. Just a portion of one species destroyed to save untold countless others? A more than fair trade in anyone's court. Leaving that many humans alive is actually being too kind. Having <0.1% of humans surviving would be a far fairer trade.
George Kerby - 05 Jul 2009 17:27 GMT On 7/4/09 7:01 PM, in article pqpv455trv8n77eiv7q70gp30r9o6qn0po@4ax.com,
>>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent >>> pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > sacrificial alter if it could be guaranteed that I get to take 90%+ of them > with me. Excuses, all we get from these tree-huggers are excuses...
tony cooper - 05 Jul 2009 00:58 GMT >Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent >pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever >see it coming when it finally does. Why is it that the most dedicated animal-rights activists are always psychopaths at heart?
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How Very Sad - 05 Jul 2009 01:10 GMT >>Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent >>pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever >>see it coming when it finally does. > >Why is it that the most dedicated animal-rights activists are always >psychopaths at heart? A true psychopath is someone so self-serving and so self-centered that they don't care about the survival of the human species at all, nor the survival of any other species. Look in your mirror. See if you see what I see.
J. Clarke - 05 Jul 2009 01:50 GMT >> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and >> virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that >> none of them ever see it coming when it finally does. > > Why is it that the most dedicated animal-rights activists are always > psychopaths at heart? Lot of greenies are--go on about how humanity is a disease infecting the planet and should be removed. I always suggest that they start with themselves. For some reason that doesn't go over too well.
How Very Sad - 05 Jul 2009 02:53 GMT >>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and >>> virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >planet and should be removed. I always suggest that they start with >themselves. For some reason that doesn't go over too well. You haven't been paying attention. It will go over very well, if I can take you out with me. It's the only solution for the continuation and survival of humanity.
tony cooper - 05 Jul 2009 03:05 GMT >>>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and >>>> virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >you out with me. It's the only solution for the continuation and survival >of humanity.
 Signature Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
tony cooper - 05 Jul 2009 03:07 GMT >>>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and >>>> virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >you out with me. It's the only solution for the continuation and survival >of humanity. Go ahead and drink the Kool-Aid. We promise we'll follow.
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How Very Sad - 05 Jul 2009 04:00 GMT >>>>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and >>>>> virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Go ahead and drink the Kool-Aid. We promise we'll follow. If you follow and drink anything like your skills at posting with no added content (see previous copy of your post), instead I'll just wait until you succumb to super-strains of viruses and bacteria that you've been incubating in every health establishment in your "safe" little communities, overseen by a bankrupt and corrupt health-care system. Guaranteed, it'll be unavailable to you when you need it the most. Amended truism: Greed and pride goeth before the fall.
Enjoy your antibacterial soaps, ointments, and lotions, they will be the very thing that does you in as a species. The mouse that roared while Horton Heard a Who. The phrase "Cleanliness is next to godliness" just took on a whole new meaning, didn't it. It'll finally hold true.
Bob Larter - 05 Jul 2009 05:12 GMT >>>>>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and >>>>>> virulent pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Enjoy your antibacterial soaps, ointments, and lotions, they will be the > very thing that does you in as a species. What species do you imagine that you belong to, Dimmy?
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George Kerby - 05 Jul 2009 17:22 GMT On 7/4/09 6:58 PM, in article 6vqv45tk88mb8hjl05h4j7pvf06enckspm@4ax.com,
>> Then people wonder why I hope, wish, and pray for a discreet and virulent >> pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever >> see it coming when it finally does. > > Why is it that the most dedicated animal-rights activists are always > psychopaths at heart? The Liberal is such a study in contrast, is it not? I mean, look at the makeup of PETA and their idiocy...
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/lupc33>
How Very Sad - 05 Jul 2009 18:43 GMT >On 7/4/09 6:58 PM, in article 6vqv45tk88mb8hjl05h4j7pvf06enckspm@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ><http://preview.tinyurl.com/lupc33> Hopefully, PETA members will be the first to go. The most brain-dead people of them all. They don't have one clue about the nature of nature. I.e. reality. You know, people just as out of touch with reality as you are.
Are you (and those like you) really this stupid, George Kerby? A rhetorical question, because we all already know that your stupidity goes far further than this most recent minor example. "Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." Ah, if only there was a pandemic that would wipe them out in order of IQ level, the lowest going first. Useless wastes of flesh like you would be first in line.
Then they'll also wonder why, when they are all dead or dying, I won't shed even one tear. Not even a sarcastically typed "boo hoo" will be shed for any of them. I look forward to the day that I can step over your writhing bodies, spitting on each one as I pass, while on the way to some favorite fishing or hunting spot to enjoy that most beautiful day of all, even more.
George Kerby - 06 Jul 2009 01:47 GMT On 7/5/09 12:43 PM, in article p1o155pg1d0u0pnoto6mcgnq349t55gupl@4ax.com,
>> On 7/4/09 6:58 PM, in article 6vqv45tk88mb8hjl05h4j7pvf06enckspm@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > bodies, spitting on each one as I pass, while on the way to some favorite > fishing or hunting spot to enjoy that most beautiful day of all, even more. At least you didn't post this twice, like the last time I called your bluff.
Here's a little doo-dad for your pea-brain to masturbate:
A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold the bird froze and fell to the ground into a large field.
While he was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on him.
As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, he began to realize how warm he was.
The dung was actually thawing him out!
He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate.
Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him.
Moral of the story: (1) Not everyone who sh.ts on you is your enemy.
(2) Not everyone who gets you out of sh.t is your friend.
(3) And when you're in deep sh.t, it's best to keep your mouth shut!
¿Comprende? ¡Bueno!
How Very Sad - 06 Jul 2009 02:39 GMT >On 7/5/09 12:43 PM, in article p1o155pg1d0u0pnoto6mcgnq349t55gupl@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >At least you didn't post this twice, like the last time I called your bluff. It wasn't posted twice to try to refute your erroneous and misguided claims of bluff. If you were smart enough to notice, the second post was sent to correct a 130wpm typo where I inadvertently typed "it's" instead of "its". That error annoys me too. I didn't bring it to your attention so as not to humiliate you further than you've already humiliated yourself. But hey, at 130wpm some typos do inadvertently creep in, sometimes I even miss out on including whole words when typing that fast. Or the even more annoying 130wpm typo, where my hands will type a properly spelled word, but not the one I had intended in my mind. The muscles in my arms pre-choosing a word that is similar, but nonetheless correctly spelled. That's a royal bitch when that happens, because no spell-checker will even catch it. There appears to be a neural speed-limit where muscle memory reacts faster than the longer distance of finger-tip to feedback-correcting mind. But then you'd never know this in your hunt 'n peck level of reptilian brain-stem-only mentality. How does it feel to be no more evolved than a skink? Or is that skank? It's so hard to tell with you on how it should be spelled correctly.
As for the rest of your 1st-grader's non-philosophical tripe ...
<Emptiness inserted where a level of "philosophy" once was typed that is insulting to anyone with less than half a brain. See following emptiness that holds just as much wisdom as previous poster's typing ...>
Frank ess - 06 Jul 2009 04:05 GMT >> On 7/5/09 12:43 PM, in article >> p1o155pg1d0u0pnoto6mcgnq349t55gupl@4ax.com, "How Very Sad" [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > following emptiness that holds just as much wisdom as previous > poster's typing ...> I'm impressed with your acuity and typing speed, and as an observer of human behavior for lo, these many years, I offer this:
Seems to me your statements and reactions to statements by others reflect not so much a concern for the various life forms on planet earth, but a drive to make every conversation about yourself and your innards. Your way of relating to ideas and to people is very similar to that of some clients I referred to as "garbage sifters". Really "important" things, such as the minutiae of conjectural circumstances leading to typing errors, or how their tears tasted when they had their feelings hurt, became central, substantive matters be damned.
In their lives they had somehow come to the conclusion that, no matter what, their reactions and impressions of the world impinging on their conscious selves was the most important aspect of all. They showed no hesitation in broadcasting their feelings and thoughts, however bizarre they might have been. Some were quite pertinent and poignant, most at least slightly irrational. In either case, once they ran out of novel material to impart, they began again, repeating the inventory as long as they had an audience - and beyond, as far as I know.
My technique for dealing with them was acceptance of the feelings as valid and real, and trying to help them develop a broader perspective, to incorporate into their outlook other aspects of life in proportions more appropriate to the ongoing parade of humanity.
Don't know how many budding "artists" got snipped early, but I do know several actually got over their preoccupation with demonstrating they were more sensitive and sincere than anyone else. A few became calm, alert, focused, responsive, and effective change agents.
Not to say you have any more traits in common with them than anyone else visible only through typed characters on a screen, but it's a possibility.
If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste them on Usnet groups?
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tony cooper - 06 Jul 2009 04:49 GMT >If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste >them on Usnet groups? I think most, if not all, of those creative thoughts are just that: created.
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How Very Sad - 06 Jul 2009 10:38 GMT >>If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >>for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste >>them on Usnet groups? > >I think most, if not all, of those creative thoughts are just that: >created. Yeah, you keep believing that while you slowly die a wasted life in your mommy's basement.
George Kerby - 06 Jul 2009 15:57 GMT On 7/6/09 4:38 AM, in article 9eh35553j591a65kn2hdd4ae1j0baaep24@4ax.com,
>>> If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >>> for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yeah, you keep believing that while you slowly die a wasted life in your > mommy's basement. Pot = kettle.
Middle of the night posting while rest of the country is asleep, just who hasn't made it out of 'momma's basement'?!?
<64.61.220.161 is from United States(US) in region North America>
What a maroon...
How Very Sad - 06 Jul 2009 05:21 GMT >If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste >them on Usnet groups? Oh ye of such little misunderstanding. (I'm not surprise of that, in the least.) You are preoccupied with life-forms (your own) that don't deserve to exist. Little did they know that they (humans) were encouraging, supporting, and promoting the deaths of the very people that could save them through the next poignant epoch (i.e.: 80's, let the creative fags die, etc. the very people that could save them from themselves). Just another present-day example of commonly-historical christian human-sacrifice behaviors. Letting, or purposely causing, the deaths of people who are different just to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god. They'll just have to deal with slitting their own throats. Their loss of "future". There's no other option now. They made their choice 3 decades ago, and there's absolutely no way to undo what they have already done. Ain't they kewt? :-)
Yet you stupidly ask: Why waste these advanced truisms and my greatly-advanced wisdom of "the nature of nature" on usenet? Because, I know for a fact that anything of importance will be lost in usenet-land. While am I then compelled to relay "something" to fellow humans (and I use that phrase loosely)? Because, the "something" that receives this wisdom is no different than throwing pearls before next-for-the-slaughter swine. In this I am safe in relaying such wisdoms, relayed to me direct from my observations of nature. A more advanced life-form might learn from these words and benefit themselves. Not true for usenet denizens. Situation resolved on all counts. Truths relayed due to my human-related instinct, wasted on idiots. Nature will pursue its course, just as it taught me to do--the ultimate judge in what is supposed to be.
If there's one thing I learned from nature 'lo these many years, it has taught me this: "You can watch, but let them die. If you help them, then you die too. Don't lift a finger to help them. We must let them die. Enjoy the movie." So I make popcorn and munch away happily. (Yes, I know the cure for HIV, it's so simple, something so simple and obvious that it has escaped all research departments. Do I tell anyone? NOPE! Not on your life! Precisely. Nature has decreed that I don't help even one of you. I trust the overwhelming opinion of nature far more than any of you.)
I'm not concerned in the least with saving humanity (except for <0.01% of you that is, if they are lucky), but instead all of the life-forms that are far better than humanity ever was and will be. You should see the 30+ raccoon and opossum cubs that are feeding in my yard right now. They'll "cute" your face right off of your body. Your existence can't hold a candle to them no matter how much they are snarling and the fur might be flying when their particular plate might be empty. When they play tug-o'-war with my shoelaces while I'm filling up their plates, and the mother is snoozing belly-up next to my steps because she trusts me that much with her cubs (I'm being SO used, as baby-sitter and free lunch-counter, but I don't mind) ... there is no greater reward in the universe than when a wild animal trusts you that much. Especially in an area where they have been hunted and trapped for hundreds of generations and know better about approaching any human.
And yet, I had an extensive discussion with all of them tonight, about playing "bear guard" and "bear siren" about the recently visiting 350-450 lb. bear. While sitting cross-legged on the ground in the middle of 20 of them feeding tonight (adults and cubs, while they happily chomped away on my provided 'coon-cakes') and trying to let them know that if that bear eats my face off, there goes their daily/yearly support. I'm not sure if any of them have caught on to that fact yet. However, the glimmer in a few of their eyes gives me hope that they understand. Every night for the last 4 nights they regularly freak-out and scamper into the woods. While I comically yell, "Hey! Come back here you fuckin' cowards!" As I do the Cowardly-Lion mime of "Put'em up! Put'em up!" flailing blindly into the shadows of the woods surrounding me. Half in jest, half in real concern. Some of those coward raccoons leaving my feeding-grounds so swiftly that they run into the sides of my domicile with an audible "raccoon thump". I love their more instinctive reactions than my own. But their heightened sense of awareness is falling into the "cried wolf" category lately. My face is still intact, no more recent visible (but yes, auditory) signs of recently visiting 350-450 bear. I'm starting to not trust "raccoon instinct". But I still pay them in a raccoon-cake salary, nightly.
Even if my face gets eaten off by a 350-450 lb. bear, knowing the resident raccoons and 'possums as well as I do, and them trusting me as much as they do, and their knowing me as well as they do, will all be worth it.
Humans surviving? Nah. Not worth it in the least. You made your bed. Now you can die in it.
Damn, I almost typed a sarcastic "boo hoo". I gotta watch that for a species that doesn't deserve even that much.
George Kerby - 06 Jul 2009 15:50 GMT On 7/5/09 11:21 PM, in article s4r255tauaolutb0fs7emlnh592gsptlbq@4ax.com,
>> If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >> for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste >> them on Usnet groups? <useless pontificatory diatribe mercifully snipped>
> Damn, I almost typed a sarcastic "boo hoo". I gotta watch that for a > species that doesn't deserve even that much. And just WHAT species are you, butt-crack?
How Very Sad - 06 Jul 2009 10:24 GMT (*edit on the all-important opener, otherwise, zero need for any other changes, the rest holds true no matter how many times I've read this since 1st posting. How the f.ck could I mistype something so simple? Must be the rum tonight. I now claim to be a survivor of having been victimized by double-negatives of the lame english language. All Brits should be shot for leaving us with trying to clean up the mess that they invented.)
>If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste >them on Usnet groups? Oh ye of such little *understanding. (I'm not surprise of that, in the least.) You are preoccupied with life-forms (your own) that don't deserve to exist. Little did they know that they (humans) were encouraging, supporting, and promoting the deaths of the very people that could save them through the next poignant epoch (i.e.: 80's, let the creative fags die, etc. the very people that could save them from themselves). Just another present-day example of commonly-historical christian human-sacrifice behaviors. Letting, or purposely causing, the deaths of people who are different just to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god. They'll just have to deal with slitting their own throats. Their loss of "future". There's no other option now. They made their choice 3 decades ago, and there's absolutely no way to undo what they have already done. Ain't they kewt? :-)
Yet you stupidly ask: Why waste these advanced truisms and my greatly-advanced wisdom of "the nature of nature" on usenet? Because, I know for a fact that anything of importance will be lost in usenet-land. While am I then compelled to relay "something" to fellow humans (and I use that phrase loosely)? Because, the "something" that receives this wisdom is no different than throwing pearls before next-for-the-slaughter swine. In this I am safe in relaying such wisdoms, relayed to me direct from my observations of nature. A more advanced life-form might learn from these words and benefit themselves. Not true for usenet denizens. Situation resolved on all counts. Truths relayed due to my human-related instinct, wasted on idiots. Nature will pursue its course, just as it taught me to do--the ultimate judge in what is supposed to be.
If there's one thing I learned from nature 'lo these many years, it has taught me this: "You can watch, but let them die. If you help them, then you die too. Don't lift a finger to help them. We must let them die. Enjoy the movie." So I make popcorn and munch away happily. (Yes, I know the cure for HIV, it's so simple, something so simple and obvious that it has escaped all research departments. Do I tell anyone? NOPE! Not on your life! Precisely. Nature has decreed that I don't help even one of you. I trust the overwhelming opinion of nature far more than any of you.)
I'm not concerned in the least with saving humanity (except for <0.01% of you that is, if they are lucky), but instead all of the life-forms that are far better than humanity ever was and will be. You should see the 30+ raccoon and opossum cubs that are feeding in my yard right now. They'll "cute" your face right off of your body. Your existence can't hold a candle to them no matter how much they are snarling and the fur might be flying when their particular plate might be empty. When they play tug-o'-war with my shoelaces while I'm filling up their plates, and the mother is snoozing belly-up next to my steps because she trusts me that much with her cubs (I'm being SO used, as baby-sitter and free lunch-counter, but I don't mind) ... there is no greater reward in the universe than when a wild animal trusts you that much. Especially in an area where they have been hunted and trapped for hundreds of generations and know better about approaching any human.
And yet, I had an extensive discussion with all of them tonight, about playing "bear guard" and "bear siren" about the recently visiting 350-450 lb. bear. While sitting cross-legged on the ground in the middle of 20 of them feeding tonight (adults and cubs, while they happily chomped away on my provided 'coon-cakes') and trying to let them know that if that bear eats my face off, there goes their daily/yearly support. I'm not sure if any of them have caught on to that fact yet. However, the glimmer in a few of their eyes gives me hope that they understand. Every night for the last 4 nights they regularly freak-out and scamper into the woods. While I comically yell, "Hey! Come back here you fuckin' cowards!" As I do the Cowardly-Lion mime of "Put'em up! Put'em up!" flailing blindly into the shadows of the woods surrounding me. Half in jest, half in real concern. Some of those coward raccoons leaving my feeding-grounds so swiftly that they run into the sides of my domicile with an audible "raccoon thump". I love their more instinctive reactions than my own. But their heightened sense of awareness is falling into the "cried wolf" category lately. My face is still intact, no more recent visible (but yes, auditory) signs of recently visiting 350-450 bear. I'm starting to not trust "raccoon instinct". But I still pay them in a raccoon-cake salary, nightly.
Even if my face gets eaten off by a 350-450 lb. bear, knowing the resident raccoons and 'possums as well as I do, and them trusting me as much as they do, and their knowing me as well as they do, will all be worth it.
Humans surviving? Nah. Not worth it in the least. You made your bed. Now you can die in it.
Damn, I almost typed a sarcastic "boo hoo". I gotta watch that for a species that doesn't deserve even that much.
How Very Sad - 06 Jul 2009 11:01 GMT (*edit on the all-important opener, otherwise, zero need for any other changes, the rest holds true no matter how many times I've read this since 1st posting. How the f.ck could I mistype something so simple? Must be the rum tonight. I now claim to be a survivor of having been victimized by double-negatives of the lame english language. All Brits should be shot for leaving us with trying to clean up the mess that they invented.)
Holy f.ck, one more typo found. One of those nasty homonym-like 130wpm discrepancies caused by muscle-memory. Oooo, I so hate those. If the muscles in my arms only had adequate ears. Damn them anyway. I'm not even going to highlight it with an *. The more astute amongst you (what a joke) should have spotted/ignored it and mentally inserted the right word long ago. As for the rest of you reptilian brain-stem survivors, the corrected text follows:
>If you have such strong urges to save the world, and such a capacity >for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste >them on Usnet groups? Oh ye of such little understanding. (I'm not surprise of that, in the least.) You are preoccupied with life-forms (your own) that don't deserve to exist. Little did they know that they (humans) were encouraging, supporting, and promoting the deaths of the very people that could save them through the next poignant epoch (i.e.: 80's, let the creative fags die, etc. the very people that could save them from themselves). Just another present-day example of commonly-historical christian human-sacrifice behaviors. Letting, or purposely causing, the deaths of people who are different just to appease their beliefs in their imaginary god. They'll just have to deal with slitting their own throats. Their loss of "future". There's no other option now. They made their choice 3 decades ago, and there's absolutely no way to undo what they have already done. Ain't they kewt? :-)
Yet you stupidly ask: Why waste these advanced truisms and my greatly-advanced wisdom of "the nature of nature" on usenet? Because, I know for a fact that anything of importance will be lost in usenet-land. Why am I then compelled to relay "something" to fellow humans (and I use that phrase loosely)? Because, the "something" that receives this wisdom is no different than throwing pearls before next-for-the-slaughter swine. In this I am safe in relaying such wisdoms, relayed to me direct from my observations of nature. A more advanced life-form might learn from these words and benefit themselves. Not true for usenet denizens. Situation resolved on all counts. Truths relayed due to my human-related instinct, wasted on idiots. Nature will pursue its course, just as it taught me to do--the ultimate judge in what is supposed to be.
If there's one thing I learned from nature 'lo these many years, it has taught me this: "You can watch, but let them die. If you help them, then you die too. Don't lift a finger to help them. We must let them die. Enjoy the movie." So I make popcorn and munch away happily. (Yes, I know the cure for HIV, it's so simple, something so simple and obvious that it has escaped all research departments. Do I tell anyone? NOPE! Not on your life! Precisely. Nature has decreed that I don't help even one of you. I trust the overwhelming opinion of nature far more than any of you.)
I'm not concerned in the least with saving humanity (except for <0.01% of you that is, if they are lucky), but instead all of the life-forms that are far better than humanity ever was and will be. You should see the 30+ raccoon and opossum cubs that are feeding in my yard right now. They'll "cute" your face right off of your body. Your existence can't hold a candle to them no matter how much they are snarling and the fur might be flying when their particular plate might be empty. When they play tug-o'-war with my shoelaces while I'm filling up their plates, and the mother is snoozing belly-up next to my steps because she trusts me that much with her cubs (I'm being SO used, as baby-sitter and free lunch-counter, but I don't mind) ... there is no greater reward in the universe than when a wild animal trusts you that much. Especially in an area where they have been hunted and trapped for hundreds of generations and know better about approaching any human.
And yet, I had an extensive discussion with all of them tonight, about playing "bear guard" and "bear siren" about the recently visiting 350-450 lb. bear. While sitting cross-legged on the ground in the middle of 20 of them feeding tonight (adults and cubs, while they happily chomped away on my provided 'coon-cakes') and trying to let them know that if that bear eats my face off, there goes their daily/yearly support. I'm not sure if any of them have caught on to that fact yet. However, the glimmer in a few of their eyes gives me hope that they understand. Every night for the last 4 nights they regularly freak-out and scamper into the woods. While I comically yell, "Hey! Come back here you fuckin' cowards!" As I do the Cowardly-Lion mime of "Put'em up! Put'em up!" flailing blindly into the shadows of the woods surrounding me. Half in jest, half in real concern. Some of those coward raccoons leaving my feeding-grounds so swiftly that they run into the sides of my domicile with an audible "raccoon thump". I love their more instinctive reactions than my own. But their heightened sense of awareness is falling into the "cried wolf" category lately. My face is still intact, no more recent visible (but yes, auditory) signs of recently visiting 350-450 bear. I'm starting to not trust "raccoon instinct". But I still pay them in a raccoon-cake salary, nightly.
Even if my face gets eaten off by a 350-450 lb. bear, knowing the resident raccoons and 'possums as well as I do, and them trusting me as much as they do, and their knowing me as well as they do, will all be worth it.
Humans surviving? Nah. Not worth it in the least. You made your bed. Now you can die in it.
Damn, I almost typed a sarcastic "boo hoo". I gotta watch that for a species that doesn't deserve even that much.
George Kerby - 06 Jul 2009 15:47 GMT On 7/5/09 10:05 PM, in article boadnbTJK4R29MzXnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@giganews.com, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/5/09 12:43 PM, in article >>> p1o155pg1d0u0pnoto6mcgnq349t55gupl@4ax.com, "How Very Sad" [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > for analyzing, organizing, and espressing creative thought, why waste > them on Usnet groups? Because it is a fucktard?
George Kerby - 06 Jul 2009 15:45 GMT On 7/5/09 8:39 PM, in article o4l255l1k9114gbnr9ogts8hla5dr0qupo@4ax.com,
>> On 7/5/09 12:43 PM, in article p1o155pg1d0u0pnoto6mcgnq349t55gupl@4ax.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > insulting to anyone with less than half a brain. See following emptiness > that holds just as much wisdom as previous poster's typing ...> Your handle describes you perfectly: You're stretching credibility beyond it's breaking point by referring to yourself as a man, you pitiful pimple-popping putrid pile of prepubescent puke!
You couldn't get a date if you bought them dried in a tin, you under-medicated, rump-ruptured chronic self-abuser. You're the kind of greasy, giggling, girly gombeen who buys STDs from a viral lab just to make it look like you get laid. Average looking, my a.s. You're uglier than the south-facing end of north-bound mule with a ruptured ulcerated fly-covered rump.
You're a politically vacillating phony liberal f.ck; too damn broadminded to take your own side in a debate. Calling you a pea brain would be an insult to peas, you jellyfish-sucking mental midget. Like your height, everything about you is average; except your stench - which is overwhelming. Your weight may well be proportional, but you've got cellulite that makes sumo wrestlers look anorexic.
Professional, my a.s. You couldn't win a cigar after giving birth in a tobacco field in Havana, you clueless, über-incompetent fuckwit. I love that suit you're wearing. You never throw anything away, do you? I'm not really good with fools, but a friend who is wrote something down for me; Oh, yeah, "f.ck off." May you live a long life and be the butt of many jokes to come...
tony cooper - 06 Jul 2009 23:22 GMT >You couldn't get a date if you bought them dried in a tin, you >under-medicated, rump-ruptured chronic self-abuser. You're the kind of >greasy, giggling, girly gombeen who buys STDs from a viral lab just to make >it look like you get laid. Average looking, my a.s. You're uglier than the >south-facing end of north-bound mule with a ruptured ulcerated fly-covered >rump. The usage of words always interests me, and my Irish heritage gives me a special interest in Hiberno-English usage. A "gombeen man" is a small-time loan shark and charges usurious interest rates. Sort of like the "vig", or "vigorish" his American counterpart charges.
A better word in your description of the poster would be "gobshite".
Other than that, you've presented a fair and accurate description.
 Signature Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
George Kerby - 07 Jul 2009 14:08 GMT On 7/6/09 5:22 PM, in article fst45595r8vkqerl2fpe9vj9cjji9v3teg@4ax.com,
>> You couldn't get a date if you bought them dried in a tin, you >> under-medicated, rump-ruptured chronic self-abuser. You're the kind of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Other than that, you've presented a fair and accurate description. > No one's perfect. Gimme a break, already!
Bob Larter - 05 Jul 2009 05:08 GMT > When I was living in Hawaii in the 60's I was going to start up a business > of collecting exotic reef fishes for home aquarists. Within the first week > of researching my business opti[*SLAP!*] It's hilarious that you expect people to believe all these stories you make up.
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How Very Sad - 05 Jul 2009 05:35 GMT >> When I was living in Hawaii in the 60's I was going to start up a business >> of collecting exotic reef fishes for home aquarists. Within the first week >> of researching my business opti[*SLAP!*] Someone who's only lived in their mommy's basement all their life would say something exactly like :
>It's hilarious that you expect people to believe all these stories you >make up. Do you know what a Hawaiian Sling is? And no, it's not one of those distended male-thongs that you constantly fantasize about. I used to regularly get my dinners with a Hawaiian Sling. Or how about kukui-nuts? (Don't eat more than 8 unless you need a good sh.t, but boy do they taste good. It's so easy to go past that 8-nut limit.) Do you know what "paleo" means? I used to camp inside of Alakai Swamp, the wettest place in the world, just to get photographs of some of the rarest birds on the planet. A place where many people lost their lives, just by getting lost. What's the English name for Lilikoi Fruit? What's that? You don't know? Do you know the legend of, and what happens when, you pick Ohia Lehua flowers?
How easy it is to prove you to be the fool that you are.
I guess the fact that I knew what a slurp-gun is over 40 years ago means nothing to someone with as limited experience and sheltered a life as you have had. I bet it makes you feel better by thinking nobody has a more interesting and exciting life than you've had by living in your mommy's basement all these long and sad years of yours.
Oh well.
Sucks to be you!
Doesn't it.
Bob Larter - 09 Jul 2009 14:01 GMT >>> When I was living in Hawaii in the 60's I was going to start up a business >>> of collecting exotic reef fishes for home aquarists. Within the first week [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Do you know what a Hawaiian Sling is? And no, it's not one of those > distended male-th[*SLAP!*] You actually think I care what you say, don't you?
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How Very Sad - 09 Jul 2009 18:02 GMT >>>> When I was living in Hawaii in the 60's I was going to start up a business >>>> of collecting exotic reef fishes for home aquarists. Within the first week [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >You actually think I care what you say, don't you? You not only read every bit of it, but you even take the time to reply to every bit of it, showing the whole world that you do. Damn right you care! Who else is going to have the honesty to tell you that you're nothing but a useless snapshooter. Dependent on his auto-everything point and shoot DSLR who doesn't even know how to use his camera properly and knows nothing about composition. People like you crave honesty because you've been lied to all your life by those you trust the most, even worse, you know you've lied to yourself all your life and you keep on doing it.
Bite on that one for awhile.
Bob Larter - 13 Jul 2009 06:46 GMT >>>>> When I was living in Hawaii in the 60's I was going to start up a business >>>>> of collecting exotic reef fishes for home aquarists. Within the first week [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > You not only read every bit of it, You haven't noticed that I snip out most of your rants unread? That figures.
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George Kerby - 05 Jul 2009 17:18 GMT On 7/4/09 5:23 PM, in article 97iv451rjg8l47ndmbs62fu50g59t7qojb@4ax.com,
>>>>> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of >>>>> photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > pandemic to wipe out 90%+ of humanity. I dearly hope that none of them ever > see it coming when it finally does. Do you post I "austin.general"? Is that you, Wankatoa, Mapi?!?
Paul Furman - 05 Jul 2009 07:14 GMT >>>> Finally, to the information of all the true readers of >>>> photography of the newsgroup, I'd like to say that to these [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > questions about what part the isolated pictures play in the agency's > plans, and what other plans they have for endangered birds/animals. Right, I'm familiar with the issue surrounding California native plants, and I wouldn't want to be a fanatic turn-off. Maybe the birds are part of an admirable project, I'm just curious what. It could be a really interesting story, right now it is not. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://zoocriaderolaesmerald a.org/pm.html&ei=N0NQSpycPIikswO6qu2qDQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=3&ct=result&pre v=/search%3Fq%3DINRENA%2BXanthops%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff
> You want to rant about loss of living-thing varieties, look into Hawai'i > and its vanishing fauna and flora. That should set you off for fair.
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Jürgen Exner - 05 Jul 2009 12:08 GMT >Maybe the birds are part of an admirable project, [...] That may very well be.
But that's not what the photos are telling. The photos are telling a story of being locked up, of small cages, of pain, suffering, crying for freedom.
If the OP meant to invoke other feelings in the audiencee with his photos, like "Look what magnificient birds we are rescuing", then he missed the mark by a long shot. It's not about the bird, it's about the composition and the chosen composition just doesn't invoke those feelings.
jue
Savageduck - 05 Jul 2009 12:33 GMT >> Maybe the birds are part of an admirable project, [...] > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > jue I think the OP is naively ignorant of the impact of these photos. He just doesn't get it.
He believes he is going to get constructive criticism with regard to his photographic skills. Miguel seems to be a guy living in a community with a completely different view of the World to the majority of the participants in these photo NGs.
Unless I am reading him completely wrong, I don't think he fully understands what we have all been trying to tell him regarding our feelings with regard to his "bird" photos. He blithely keeps posting then looking for comment with regard to "his photography."
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Savageduck
Savageduck - 04 Jul 2009 04:24 GMT >>> Hello: >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > registered and protected by The National Institute of Natural Resources > (INRENA). Then somebody needs to educate your National Institute of UN-Natural Resources.
If they actually need to study these birds there are such things as "free flight aviaries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviary one of these is the Snowdon Aviary at the London Zoo, designed by Anthony Armstrong-Jones (Lord Snowdon) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cc/London_Zoo_Avery.JPG Some of these aviaries are designed so you can walk through them. some are designed so there are no barriers between the viewers and the birds, some use interesting techniques with light to seperate the viewers from the birds, without using physical barriers.
The examples you have submitted are a clear demonstration of caged captive birds unable to remotely behave naturally. They are obviously captive and abused birds and your INREA is a poor excuse as a guardian of any natural resource. If you feel any concern for these birds you might consider being an activist for their release, or if you believe they are sincere in the quest for knowledge of these birds, rather than their exploitation, then lobby for the construction of a proper free flight aviary. There they can be studied in a far better environment.
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Savageduck
snapper@mailinator.com - 04 Jul 2009 09:52 GMT
> These parrots, and other animals that I am taking photos, they are > registered and protected by The National Institute of Natural Resources > (INRENA). What is their address?
(So I can go around there and release the poor creatures!).
Lloyd W. - 04 Jul 2009 02:35 GMT > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks for your comments about photography. Revolting - it's like a photo of a condemned criminal. Aside from the horrid subject matter, you demonstrate a complete lack of any skills related to photography - the only remotely positive thing I can say about your photos is that it makes my amateurish work look like Ansel Adams.
Please stop posting - your work is crap.
Jürgen Exner - 04 Jul 2009 04:42 GMT >Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks for your comments about photography. The way the photo is composed a fitting title might be Condemned for Eternity
Don't know if that was the emotion you meant to create, but it it works.
jue
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