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Digital photo of Michelangelo Creation of Adam?

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Bruce. - 13 May 2008 20:47 GMT
I need to make a print in a custom size (8x20) of Michelangelo Creation of
Adam.  Not the complete picture.  Just the 2 hands touching fingers.

I've googled until my fingers are worn but I haven't been able to find a
source for a HIGH RESOLUTION digital version of this picture.

I'm not too picky but even at just 200dpi that would be 1600x4000.  I
probably need an even larger original as I need to crop it to a 8x20
panorama frame.

Anyone know of a source where I could get this file?

Thanks.
Bruce.
Alfred Molon - 13 May 2008 21:24 GMT
> I need to make a print in a custom size (8x20) of Michelangelo Creation of
> Adam.  Not the complete picture.  Just the 2 hands touching fingers.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Anyone know of a source where I could get this file?

Alamy has 47 pictures:

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography-search-results.asp?
qt=michelangelo+creation+adam&lic=7&ipn=1&apn=1&cpn=1&cdpn=1&mr=0&pr=0
&ot=0&nu=0&cdsrt=0&pn=1&st=0&a=-1&cid=&cdid=&s1=0&s3=0&s5=0&s7=0
&pseudoid=0&npgs=7
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Bruce. - 13 May 2008 22:46 GMT
>> I need to make a print in a custom size (8x20) of Michelangelo Creation
>> of
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> &ot=0&nu=0&cdsrt=0&pn=1&st=0&a=-1&cid=&cdid=&s1=0&s3=0&s5=0&s7=0
> &pseudoid=0&npgs=7

OMG.  I guess I should have said reasonably priced.  For 50.8 MB / 5150 x
3446 pixels, they want $330.  For a single photo I print myself for over the
fireplace, that's a budget buster.

I assumed art this old would be virtually free for the asking.   Anyone know
of a more reasonable source?

Bruce.
dwight - 14 May 2008 01:42 GMT
>>> I need to make a print in a custom size (8x20) of Michelangelo Creation
>>> of
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Bruce.

The art may be old, but the digital capture sure isn't. Even film shots
printed in a coffee table book would not be "free for the asking," but
rather probably copyrighted. There's nothing wrong with a photographer
asking a healthy price for his work.

Now, if you could go to Italy and slap that original art onto a photocopier,
you wouldn't be breaking any copyright laws.

dwight
Nervous Nick - 14 May 2008 01:57 GMT
> >> In article <efmWj.3455$J16...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, Bruce.
> >> says...
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> Now, if you could go to Italy and slap that original art onto a photocopier,
> you wouldn't be breaking any copyright laws.

That would take a really big copier.

--
YOP...
Mark Sieving - 14 May 2008 02:06 GMT
>Now, if you could go to Italy and slap that original art onto a photocopier,
>you wouldn't be breaking any copyright laws.

You'd probably be breaking a lot of other laws if you slapped the
ceiling of the Sistine Chapel onto a photocopier, though.
Blinky the Shark - 14 May 2008 02:24 GMT
>>Now, if you could go to Italy and slap that original art onto a photocopier,
>>you wouldn't be breaking any copyright laws.
>
> You'd probably be breaking a lot of other laws if you slapped the
> ceiling of the Sistine Chapel onto a photocopier, though.

As well as the copier.

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dwight - 14 May 2008 12:18 GMT
>>Now, if you could go to Italy and slap that original art onto a
>>photocopier,
>>you wouldn't be breaking any copyright laws.
>
> You'd probably be breaking a lot of other laws if you slapped the
> ceiling of the Sistine Chapel onto a photocopier, though.

And it would cost more than $330.

:()
Chris H - 14 May 2008 07:31 GMT
>>> I need to make a print in a custom size (8x20) of Michelangelo Creation
>>> of
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>3446 pixels, they want $330.  For a single photo I print myself for over the
>fireplace, that's a budget buster.

It is reasonably priced.  Just out of your budget.

Rolls Royce cars are reasonably priced but I still can't afford one

>I assumed art this old would be virtually free for the asking.

Not really.

>  Anyone know
>of a more reasonable source?

You mean cheaper. No.

You can't have everything you want in this life.

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Bruce. - 14 May 2008 19:43 GMT
> You can't have everything you want in this life.

I'll assume that means you don't know of a cheaper site to find this photo.

Bruce.
Alfred Molon - 14 May 2008 09:59 GMT

> OMG.  I guess I should have said reasonably priced.  For 50.8 MB / 5150 x
> 3446 pixels, they want $330.  For a single photo I print myself for over the
> fireplace, that's a budget buster.
>
> I assumed art this old would be virtually free for the asking.   Anyone know
> of a more reasonable source?

$330 is just 214 Euro.

Anyway, this is not an easy shot to take. Tripods are not allowed and
all photography is strictly forbidden in the Sistine chapel. The chapel
is constantly monitored by guards who control people and enforce this
photography ban.

So hats off to those photographers who managed to smuggle in
professional photography equipment with a long lens and managed to get a
sharp handheld shot despite the poor lighting conditions.
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Chris H - 14 May 2008 10:15 GMT
>> OMG.  I guess I should have said reasonably priced.  For 50.8 MB / 5150 x
>> 3446 pixels, they want $330.  For a single photo I print myself for over the
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>professional photography equipment with a long lens and managed to get a
>sharp handheld shot despite the poor lighting conditions.

Unless it was done with permission.

Actually it would have to be as the Church owns it. It is not "public"
as it is a physical part of their building.

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Sophie Wilson - 14 May 2008 11:56 GMT
>  
>> OMG.  I guess I should have said reasonably priced.  For 50.8 MB /
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> professional photography equipment with a long lens and managed to get
> a sharp handheld shot despite the poor lighting conditions.

Its quite hard enough getting a sharp 6MP 20mm (equiv) shot of the ceiling
of the Sistine chapel ;-)

--Sophie

(no, you don't get 4000x1600 of the fingers touching from such a shot. But
the ceiling as a whole is more glorious than the central panel, albeit the
central panel is the famous bit)
Bruce. - 14 May 2008 19:47 GMT
> $330 is just 214 Euro.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> professional photography equipment with a long lens and managed to get a
> sharp handheld shot despite the poor lighting conditions.

I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some point
they had legal access.  Perhaps that's why it's so expensive.  I can
understand charging that much for commerical use, but geese, one framed
picture over a fireplace?  That's a rediculous price for that use.

Bruce.
stu7seven@gmail.com - 14 May 2008 21:20 GMT
> > $330 is just 214 Euro.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Bruce.

Bruce - you may be able to get permission to use the picture for free,
by sending
a request to the church itself ?
Alfred Molon - 14 May 2008 21:32 GMT

> I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some point
> they had legal access.

Not necessarily. I doubt the Vatican grants photography permits for the
Sistine chapel.

> Perhaps that's why it's so expensive.  I can
> understand charging that much for commerical use, but geese, one framed
> picture over a fireplace?  That's a rediculous price for that use.

Perhaps it is possible to order a print from the Vatican print shop
(assuming there is one).
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Blinky the Shark - 14 May 2008 22:46 GMT
>  
>> I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some point
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Perhaps it is possible to order a print from the Vatican print shop
> (assuming there is one).

Or the Vatican Gift Shoppe.  Over by the Pope-themed Hello Kitty and
Hannah Montana stuff.

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dwight - 15 May 2008 01:13 GMT
>>> I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some
>>> point
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Or the Vatican Gift Shoppe.  Over by the Pope-themed Hello Kitty and
> Hannah Montana stuff.

http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Sistine-Chapel-Adam-Posters_i1336323_.htm

Someone's already done the work for you, Bruce. Prices range from $17 to
$75. Pick one, any one.

dwight
Bruce. - 15 May 2008 02:36 GMT
> http://www.allposters.com/-sp/Sistine-Chapel-Adam-Posters_i1336323_.htm
>
> Someone's already done the work for you, Bruce. Prices range from $17 to
> $75. Pick one, any one.

Thanks.  Unfortunately the request came from someone that already has the
frame they want to use and it's a very non-standard panorama frame.  So the
plan was to do my own cropping and getting an online panorama printing site
to make a photo to fit this frame, which is why I need the file.

But it's looking like that plan is a wash now.

Bruce.
Alfred Molon - 15 May 2008 07:13 GMT
> Thanks.  Unfortunately the request came from someone that already has the
> frame they want to use and it's a very non-standard panorama frame.  So the
> plan was to do my own cropping and getting an online panorama printing site
> to make a photo to fit this frame, which is why I need the file.

Go here:
http://www.allposters.com

type "creation adam" in the search window. Gives you five pages of
posters with different sizes and aspect ratios.
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Chris H - 15 May 2008 08:00 GMT
>>> I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some point
>>> they had legal access.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Or the Vatican Gift Shoppe.  Over by the Pope-themed Hello Kitty and
>Hannah Montana stuff.

Last time I was there it was staffed by Nuns...

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John Turco - 27 May 2008 04:52 GMT
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> > Perhaps it is possible to order a print from the Vatican print shop
> > (assuming there is one).
>
> Or the Vatican Gift Shoppe.  Over by the Pope-themed Hello Kitty and
> Hannah Montana stuff.

Hello, Blinky:

In my opinion, "It's Happy Bunny" is much cuter and far funnier, than
those silly things. :-J

Wikipedia - It's Happy Bunny
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_Happy_Bunny>

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Chris H - 15 May 2008 07:59 GMT
>> I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some point
>> they had legal access.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Perhaps it is possible to order a print from the Vatican print shop
>(assuming there is one).

There is a Vatican tourist shop (last time I was there)
A Vatican publishing shop
In fact the Vatican is quite commercial.

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dj_nme - 15 May 2008 01:28 GMT
>>$330 is just 214 Euro.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I think that site said their file was "licensed" so I assumed at some point
> they had legal access.  Perhaps that's why it's so expensive.

So, essentially what you're writing Burce is that you don't wish to pay
for a small fraction of what it would cost for you to go and take the
photo yourself?
You'd have to go to the Vatican, organise a licenced photo shoot, return
home and pay for the whole expedition.
Easily costing in the thousands, even if it's possible in the first place.

> I can
> understand charging that much for commerical use, but geese, one framed
> picture over a fireplace?  That's a rediculous price for that use.

There is nothing besides your word that you're only going to print a
single copy for a specific usage.

BTW: What have geese ever done to you, are their feathers not warm
enough in your doona?
Allen - 15 May 2008 01:57 GMT
>>> $330 is just 214 Euro.
>>>
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> BTW: What have geese ever done to you, are their feathers not warm
> enough in your doona?
He's planning to find an iculous and paint it red to go with his geese
before they migrate. Or is that too ridiculous?
Allen
user@domain.invalid - 15 May 2008 02:42 GMT
>>>> Anyway, this is not an easy shot to take. Tripods are not allowed and
>>>> all photography is strictly forbidden in the Sistine chapel. The chapel
>>>> is constantly monitored by guards who control people and enforce this
>>>> photography ban.

Really? I was there long ago ... I think 1971 ... and photography was
most certainly allowed. Flash and tripods were not, but I was allowed
to take a photo of the ceiling using my 4x5 view camera lying on the floor.

Doug McDonald
Blinky the Shark - 15 May 2008 03:11 GMT
>>>> $330 is just 214 Euro.
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> He's planning to find an iculous and paint it red to go with his geese
> before they migrate. Or is that too ridiculous?

As for me, I'm still trying to figure out what one's doona might be; it
might be a pretty uncomfortable place to stick goose feathers...

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dj_nme - 15 May 2008 13:15 GMT
<big snip>
>>>BTW: What have geese ever done to you, are their feathers not warm
>>>enough in your doona?
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> As for me, I'm still trying to figure out what one's doona might be; it
> might be a pretty uncomfortable place to stick goose feathers...

A doona is a heavy winter blanket that's basically a cloth bag filled
with feathers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doona
Blinky the Shark - 15 May 2008 18:35 GMT
> <big snip>
>>>>BTW: What have geese ever done to you, are their feathers not warm
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> with feathers.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doona

<whew>  That sounds okay.  :)

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Bruce. - 15 May 2008 02:42 GMT
> So, essentially what you're writing Burce is that you don't wish to pay
> for a small fraction of what it would cost for you to go and take the
> photo yourself?
> You'd have to go to the Vatican, organise a licenced photo shoot, return
> home and pay for the whole expedition.
> Easily costing in the thousands, even if it's possible in the first place.

The same argument says a slinky should cost several thousand dollars because
it would cost me at least that to make myself.  Children of the world would
be very disappointed.

> There is nothing besides your word that you're only going to print a
> single copy for a specific usage.

The photo sites ask for usage, number of copies, how it will be displayed,
and several other details, and they take your word for it, but none that
I've seen have "personal 1 time use" as a menu pick.  They all assume
commerical use, and price accordingly.

> BTW: What have geese ever done to you, are their feathers not warm enough
> in your doona?

I think I meant jeeze.  Pick your spelling.

Bruce.
Alfred Molon - 15 May 2008 07:14 GMT
In article <482b839b$0$22160$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme says...

> So, essentially what you're writing Burce is that you don't wish to pay
> for a small fraction of what it would cost for you to go and take the
> photo yourself?
> You'd have to go to the Vatican, organise a licenced photo shoot, return
> home and pay for the whole expedition.
> Easily costing in the thousands, even if it's possible in the first place.

Had once a request from a US company for photos of Delhi (India). They
complained about my prices and said they would send somebody to Delhi to
take the photos.
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Chris H - 15 May 2008 08:03 GMT
>In article <482b839b$0$22160$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme says...
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>complained about my prices and said they would send somebody to Delhi to
>take the photos.

Who were they? I'll work for them :-)

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dj_nme - 15 May 2008 13:16 GMT
>> In article <482b839b$0$22160$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>> 01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme says...
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>
> Who were they? I'll work for them :-)

Sound like a good sinecure.
Where do I sign up?
Alfred Molon - 15 May 2008 13:45 GMT
> >Had once a request from a US company for photos of Delhi (India). They
> >complained about my prices and said they would send somebody to Delhi to
> >take the photos.
>
> Who were they? I'll work for them :-)

I doubt they would take you, unless you were based in Delhi and willing
to work for small amounts.
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Alfred Molon - 15 May 2008 13:48 GMT

> I doubt they would take you, unless you were based in Delhi and willing
> to work for small amounts.

Let me add that once I received an offer from an Egyptian company. I
would have had to shoot photos for them in Egypt. In exchange for the
photos they would have paid my accomodation in Egypt, but would not have
paid my flight to Egypt, other travel expenses and daily fees.
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