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Annika1980 - 05 May 2008 00:45 GMT
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576825

http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576826

http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576827
Rita Berkowitz - 05 May 2008 01:55 GMT
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576825
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576826
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576827

Still can't get one to fill the frame without all that severe cropping and
plasticizing?  And what the f.ck is all that photoshopped sh.t in the
background of the second one?  That's so unlike you to be that sloppy with
your composites.

Rita
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m II - 05 May 2008 02:18 GMT
> Still can't get one to fill the frame without all that severe cropping and
> plasticizing?  And what the f.ck is all that photoshopped sh.t in the
> background of the second one?  That's so unlike you to be that sloppy
> with your composites.

The weight of being a thief weighs heavily on 'his' shoulders.

mike
Nicholas - 05 May 2008 02:26 GMT
>> Still can't get one to fill the frame without all that severe cropping and
>> plasticizing?  And what the f.ck is all that photoshopped sh.t in the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>mike

I've looked at Annika's work on pbase, and I think he is an incredibly
TALENTED artist and photographer.  He has earned his bragging rights.
The proof is there for all to see.

He has an impressive amount of portfolios, and his work has been
viewed by one million, 8 hundred thousand viewers, unless, he ran
those numbers up himself ( I doubt it ).

Nick
m II - 05 May 2008 03:24 GMT
>>> Still can't get one to fill the frame without all that severe cropping and
>>> plasticizing?  And what the f.ck is all that photoshopped sh.t in the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> viewed by one million, 8 hundred thousand viewers, unless, he ran
> those numbers up himself ( I doubt it ).

The point is somewhat moot.

If Mother Theresa were a plagiarist would we think differently about her
work with the poor? Then again, would that work make her any less of a
plagiarist?

Apples and oranges or, in this case, photographer and thief.

mike
Atheist Chaplain - 05 May 2008 04:39 GMT
>>>> Still can't get one to fill the frame without all that severe cropping
>>>> and
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> mike
so please point out the stolen pictures.

and Mother Teresa was nothing more than a whore for the Catholic church, and
is quoted as saying that living in poverty was a blessing from God, guess
where the tens of millions of dollars she raised went, yes that's right, the
money was all sent back to the Catholic Church coffers in Rome, after all
you cannot expect the Pope to travel "Business"

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m II - 05 May 2008 15:33 GMT
> so please point out the stolen pictures.

http://www.dropshots.com/echo4#date/2006-12-23/16:36:28

This is my picture. The slime ball downloaded it, lightened the manger
scene area, then he put it on *his* web page as his own work.

When I called him on it, he got abusive. A few days later he must have
gotten sick of the bad publicity and he took it down.

If I hadn't said anything in these groups, he'd still be claiming it as
his own.

I hate thieves.

mike
Annika1980 - 05 May 2008 18:16 GMT
> > so please point out the stolen pictures.
>
> http://www.dropshots.com/echo4#date/2006-12-23/16:36:28
>
> This is my picture. The slime ball downloaded it, lightened the manger
> scene area, then he put it on *his* web page as his own work.

Bullshit.  I posted it in my "Testing" gallery and posted a link to it
here.
I even offered to fix your original for you.  f.ck me for being so
nice.

Here is the entire thread.
http://tinyurl.com/5mjc7f

Note your original post attacking me.  "Don't start none, won't be
none."

It is true that my original re-posting of that pic carried no
desciption or attribution.
I thought none was needed since the only people seeing the pic would
have come from my link here.  Then you mouthed off about it ... and
you've been mouthin off about it since XMAS of 2006.  Get over it.
Draco - 05 May 2008 20:30 GMT
> > > so please point out the stolen pictures.
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> have come from my link here.  Then you mouthed off about it ... and
> you've been mouthin off about it since XMAS of 2006.  Get over it.

When I first saw that image I thought, what a nice sunset. Then Bret
cleaned it up a bit and showed the manger scene in the lower left hand
side. Made a big difference in the feel of the image.
 Then he even offered to do the same on the original image for the
original photographer and return the new image along with the
original. As far as I can see, Bret offered help to another
photographer to improve the image and got his head handed to him.
  The attacks on Bret seemed to me a bit over the top and with just
to much whining. The image had been removed from the listing that Bret
had done and that should have been the end of it. Maybe Bret did step
over bounds a bit. But this continuing attacks on him and his personal
images seems to be just freaking juvenile.

Draco
m II - 06 May 2008 01:39 GMT
>>> so please point out the stolen pictures.
>> http://www.dropshots.com/echo4#date/2006-12-23/16:36:28
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Note your original post attacking me.  "Don't start none, won't be
> none."

Look dimwit, the following is NOT an attack. I was being civilized.

I said:
"As an aside, wouldn't some sort of attribution be in order?"

> It is true that my original re-posting of that pic carried no
> desciption or attribution.
> I thought none was needed since the only people seeing the pic would
> have come from my link here.  Then you mouthed off about it ... and
> you've been mouthin off about it since XMAS of 2006.  Get over it.

You obviously missed the part where I asked why my name wasn't on it.
AND the following emails where you started swearing at me.
Not only are you a thief, but apparently also a liar.

My first mention of your posting:
===================================================
As an aside, wouldn't some sort of attribution be in order?

http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/72067191

May lead people to believe the photographer isn't who it actually is.

mike II
====================================================

This thing can end in a number of ways.

1) You sincerely apologize publicly for your screw up and not do it
again and I shut up about it from now on,

or

2) I follow you around for the rest of your days, reminding people what
a thief and liar you are.

Your call. Think about it carefully before beaking off, Foghorn.

mike
Annika1980 - 06 May 2008 03:33 GMT
> Look dimwit, the following is NOT an attack. I was being civilized.
>
> I said:
> "As an aside, wouldn't some sort of attribution be in order?"

You said this in your orignal post when you posted the pic:

"As will be quickly noticed, much like Annika's shots, no attempt at
composition or artistic merit was attempted."

I consider that an attack.  Once you lob the first volley, it's on.
So you shouldn't be bitching about whatever happens next.
As for me apologizing ..... yeah, hold your breath.
So I guess you'll have to stalk me from now on.  You can get in line
behind the others.
m II - 06 May 2008 03:51 GMT
> As for me apologizing ..... yeah, hold your breath.
> So I guess you'll have to stalk me from now on.  You can get in line
> behind the others.

Quite condescending for a lying thief.

mike
Atheist Chaplain - 06 May 2008 01:55 GMT
On May 5, 10:33 am, m II <c...@in.the.hat> wrote:
> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
> > so please point out the stolen pictures.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> This is my picture. The slime ball downloaded it, lightened the manger
> scene area, then he put it on *his* web page as his own work.

Bullshit.  I posted it in my "Testing" gallery and posted a link to it
here.
I even offered to fix your original for you.  f.ck me for being so
nice.

Here is the entire thread.
http://tinyurl.com/5mjc7f

Note your original post attacking me.  "Don't start none, won't be
none."

It is true that my original re-posting of that pic carried no
desciption or attribution.
I thought none was needed since the only people seeing the pic would
have come from my link here.  Then you mouthed off about it ... and
you've been mouthin off about it since XMAS of 2006.  Get over it.

and then your jibe back with this little gem
"If I posted crap like that
I wouldn't want anyone to see it either. However, even your weak
effort can be rescued with a bit of Photoshop magic:"
I too would be pissed with you Brett, you may be a good photographer but
your certainly no angel.

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Annika1980 - 06 May 2008 03:34 GMT
> I too would be pissed with you Brett, you may be a good photographer but
> your certainly no angel.

Never claimed to be.  I do have one, however.
Atheist Chaplain - 06 May 2008 04:00 GMT
On May 5, 8:55 pm, "Atheist Chaplain" <abu...@cia.gov> wrote:

> I too would be pissed with you Brett, you may be a good photographer but
> your certainly no angel.

>Never claimed to be.  I do have one, however.

:-)

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m II - 06 May 2008 03:51 GMT
> It is true that my original re-posting of that pic carried no
> desciption or attribution.

A lying thief with a conscience? Hard to believe.

mike
Atheist Chaplain - 06 May 2008 01:56 GMT
>> so please point out the stolen pictures.
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> mike

OK then :-)
from reading the links provided by Brett I can see why your pissed at Brett,
maybe its time to get over it though, I expect getting an apology out of
Brett is probably as hard as getting Douggie to admit he was wrong.

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m II - 06 May 2008 02:04 GMT
> OK then :-)
> from reading the links provided by Brett I can see why your pissed at Brett,
> maybe its time to get over it though, I expect getting an apology out of
> Brett is probably as hard as getting Douggie to admit he was wrong.

You should have seen how he attributed the shot. He named it "Some
a.shole". it was so inappropriate for a festive Manger scene that it
prompted Greg Campbell to comment on Anuska's class.

mike
Atheist Chaplain - 06 May 2008 02:46 GMT
>> OK then :-)
>> from reading the links provided by Brett I can see why your pissed at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> mike

ouch!

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Annika1980 - 06 May 2008 03:36 GMT
> You should have seen how he attributed the shot. He named it "Some
> a.shole". it was so inappropriate for a festive Manger scene that it
> prompted Greg Campbell to comment on Anuska's class.
>
> mike

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!

Who the f.ck is Greg Campbell?
And why would you expect me to be civil when you go around calling me
names?  Like I said, "Don't start none, won't be none."
But if you start with me, you get what you get.
m II - 06 May 2008 03:49 GMT
> But if you start with me, you get what you get.

Coming from a lying thief, that's quite a threat.

mike
Walter Banks - 06 May 2008 12:14 GMT
Mike, enough already, you have made your point now you are as bad as noons.
Sent Bret emails take him to court pull the discussion off line.

w..

.

> > But if you start with me, you get what you get.
>
> Coming from a lying thief, that's quite a threat.
>
> mike
Helen - 06 May 2008 12:54 GMT
> Mike, enough already, you have made your point now you are as bad as noons.
> Sent Bret emails take him to court pull the discussion off line.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> > mike

I think there is more to it than Mike would even admit to himself.
The fact is that Bret cleaned up a pic to help the guy out.  It was
suppose to be a nativity/manger scene.  Nothing remotely resembling
that could be seen in the original pic because it suffered with
technical errors.   When Bret pointed this out by improving and fixing
the pic up, Mike couldn't accept the fact that he took an awful pic.
Mike's ego/pride was hurt, and it's because of this he uses "he stole
my image" theory to justify his attacks on Bret.  It was only after
Mike's attacks that Bret retaliated.
Until Mike accepts this fact and moves on, it will continue to eat
away at him.  Mike, everyone takes a bad pic now and then.  Get over
it and move on.  Sadly, I don't think he will and as a result I'll be
on his hit list as well.
Helen
m II - 07 May 2008 01:17 GMT
> Mike, enough already, you have made your point now you are as bad as noons.
> Sent Bret emails take him to court pull the discussion off line.

The problem isn't mine alone. How many others have had the same thing
happen to them? If everyone forgets about it, the practice continues.

When considering the culprit's portfolio, this must be kept in mind. How
many of those pictures are actually his? Once you're caught with your
hand in the cookie jar, it's hard to plead innocence the following times.

Let's not even mention the time Anuska made pornography out of someone
else's work in a failed attempt to discredit the artist.

mike
George Kerby - 07 May 2008 02:59 GMT
On 5/6/08 7:17 PM, in article cy6Uj.908$Yp.459@edtnps92, "m II"
<c@in.the.hat> wrote:

>> Mike, enough already, you have made your point now you are as bad as noons.
>> Sent Bret emails take him to court pull the discussion off line.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> mike
Stop being such an a.shole.
XxYyZz - 07 May 2008 03:38 GMT
>> Mike, enough already, you have made your point now you are as bad as noons.
>> Sent Bret emails take him to court pull the discussion off line.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> When considering the culprit's portfolio, this must be kept in mind. How
> many of those pictures are actually his?

  The good ones are his, the shitty ones are stolen.; )  Bret is a far better
photographer than those who accuse him of stealing their photos. He has no
need to steal photos from anyone.

Once you're caught with your
> hand in the cookie jar, it's hard to plead innocence the following times.
>
> Let's not even mention the time Anuska made pornography out of someone
> else's work in a failed attempt to discredit the artist.
>
> mike
Annika1980 - 07 May 2008 18:04 GMT
>> How many of those pictures are actually his?
>
>    The good ones are his, the shitty ones are stolen.; )  Bret is a far better
> photographer than those who accuse him of stealing their photos. He has no
> need to steal photos from anyone.

ROFL!

m II, you just got punked!
m II - 07 May 2008 19:34 GMT
> ROFL!
>
> m II, you just got punked!

If you say so.

In the mean time, you are still a thief and liar.

mike
Annika1980 - 07 May 2008 20:30 GMT
> > ROFL!
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> mike

And you are a semi-anonymous D-Mac clone.  Perhaps you should create a
website detailing the whole incident and how you were abused?  Then
sit back, relax, and pop open a 6-pack of GETTHEFUCKOVERIT.

BTW, what have I stolen from you or lied about?  I never claimed your
pic as mine as you claimed.  I would never claim ownership of such a
poor shot.
Annika1980 - 05 May 2008 15:30 GMT
> > The proof is there for all to see.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> mike

People give Helen lotsa grief for the endless praise she heaps on my
photos.  So if we take Helen's comments out of it and take away my
four pet stalkers with grudges (m2, Rita, Noons, D-Mac), we are left
with a pretty good sampling of mostly unbiased comments.  Most of my
photos have been commented on favorably by the masses.
I'm happy with that. But regardless of the comments I'll keep posting
photos for as long as I feel like sharing them.
Allen - 05 May 2008 15:54 GMT
<snip>

> People give Helen lotsa grief for the endless praise she heaps on my
> photos.  So if we take Helen's comments out of it and take away my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I'm happy with that. But regardless of the comments I'll keep posting
> photos for as long as I feel like sharing them.

Bret, they say that imitation is the highest form of flattery. But if
some people are not competent to imitate, then jealousy moves to the top
of their list. As far as plagiarism goes, if any Australian posts a
picture of an Eastern Bluebird, I'll know it's an outright theft. Keep
up the good work.
Allen
Helen - 05 May 2008 16:05 GMT
> > > The proof is there for all to see.
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> I'm happy with that. But regardless of the comments I'll keep posting
> photos for as long as I feel like sharing them.

While I agree that I am given lotsa grief over my endless praise of
your work, I feel I have to say that my comments are always unbiased
and honest.
Helen
nntp.dsl.pipex.com - 05 May 2008 21:40 GMT
> While I agree that I am given lotsa grief over my endless praise of
> your work, I feel I have to say that my comments are always unbiased
> and honest.
> Helen

Balls.  Utter balls
Annika1980 - 05 May 2008 14:02 GMT
> >> Still can't get one to fill the frame without all that severe cropping and
> >> plasticizing?  And what the f.ck is all that photoshopped sh.t in the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> viewed by one million, 8 hundred thousand viewers, unless, he ran
> those numbers up himself ( I doubt it ).

To be fair, mamy of those hits were by my best fans, D-Mac, Noons, and
Rita.

That number also doesn't include the over half a million hits I got on
my previous pbase gallery at:
http://www.pbase.com/annika1980

-Annika1980 -----> over 2 million served
Annika1980 - 05 May 2008 18:01 GMT
> >http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576825
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> background of the second one?  That's so unlike you to be that sloppy with
> your composites.

It's called a bush, dumbass!

No Photoshop required.
Atheist Chaplain - 06 May 2008 02:02 GMT
> >>http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576825
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>No Photoshop required.

what do you expect from Rita, after all we have all seen the crap produced
by that cheap arsed Nikon P&S (has to be a P&S because even a 4 year old
could produce better photographs with a D3 than that over sharpened rubbish
Rita says comes from a one)

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Alan Browne - 06 May 2008 01:21 GMT
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576825
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576826
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576827

All very nice.

Could you e-mail me the raw for the first one? I want to play with it in PS.

Cheers,
Alan

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Annika1980 - 06 May 2008 03:23 GMT
On May 5, 8:21 pm, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@freelunchvideotron.ca>
wrote:
> >http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96576825
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Cheers,
> Alan

IMAGE THIEF!
IMAGE THIEF!

WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!
Alan Browne - 06 May 2008 21:16 GMT
> On May 5, 8:21 pm, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@freelunchvideotron.ca>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!

Image borrower ... seriously I'd like to compare the raw with some Sony
raw files that I have.  e-meil follows.

Cheers,
Alan

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