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Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 02:20 GMT After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original
Helen - 01 May 2008 02:50 GMT > After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to > tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original Congrats!! What a joy it must have been! She looks like an angel the way you captured that moment in time. I can really feel a sense of movement looking at those wings. I know how hard it is to shoot these fast moving birds, so I commend you for an excellent job! Lovely detail in the feathers. Helen
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 04:29 GMT >> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to >> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >an excellent job! Lovely detail in the feathers. >Helen Two things are as sure as death and taxes: 1) If Bret links to a photo, it'll be good. 2) If Bret links to a photo, Helen will follow with one of her gushing, better-than-a-spoon to make you gag posts.
It's nice to have one's personal claque, but I would think a restraining order is called for.
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Rita Berkowitz - 01 May 2008 12:42 GMT >> Congrats!! What a joy it must have been! >> She looks like an angel the way you captured that moment in time. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It's nice to have one's personal claque, but I would think a > restraining order is called for. It's called sock puppetry. There are times when Bret, I mean "Helen, sock of Bret" has posted a gusher and it reached the news servers minutes before Bret's plastic art has ever been seen. I haven't decided what's worse, the gush or the time he had a back woods f.ck PAW and posted as "Helen" from his Tennessee account. It's all fun but sad at the same time.
Rita
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Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 12:56 GMT > There are times when Bret, I mean "Helen, sock > of Bret" has posted a gusher and it reached the news servers minutes before > Bret's plastic art has ever been seen. Give just one example, liar.
Noons - 01 May 2008 14:27 GMT > It's called sock puppetry. There are times when Bret, I mean "Helen, sock > of Bret" has posted a gusher and it reached the news servers minutes before > Bret's plastic art has ever been seen. I haven't decided what's worse, the > gush or the time he had a back woods f.ck PAW and posted as "Helen" from his > Tennessee account. It's all fun but sad at the same time. ROFL!
> Stamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time. Never empower the > idiot, embrace it and stimulate it. For more details go to the Usenet > Stimulus Project page. > > http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com ROFLMAO!
Precious
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 16:06 GMT > ROFLMAO! > > Precious Why are you posting here, Noons? Go back and f.ck off aus.photo.
Helen - 01 May 2008 14:10 GMT > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Helen > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida The definition of a "claque" is a group of persons hired to applaud an act or performer. Since I do not get paid nor am I asked to give such "gushing" critique, I'd say you're dead wrong with your assumption. FYI I give critique from the heart. It's honest. If it makes you gag, so be it. Don't read what I say or better yet killfile me. FWIW, I am merely a drop in the bucket of fans that Bret has. I am no more special than them. Helen
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 14:38 GMT >> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Helen >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >The definition of a "claque" is a group of persons hired to applaud an >act or performer. I know exactly what a "claque" is, Helen.
>Since I do not get paid nor am I asked to give such "gushing" >critique, I'd say you're dead wrong with your assumption. So you say.
>FYI I give critique from the heart. It's honest. If it makes you >gag, so be it. Don't read what I say or better yet killfile me. >FWIW, I am merely a drop in the bucket of fans that Bret has. I am no >more special than them. Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise. The fact that you always turn up to fawn over his latest, though, does hint at something a bit beyond normal appreciation of a photo by a disinterested outsider. Especially since you don't offer similar critiques of other poster's efforts.
The actual effect of your excessive praise it to think "It wasn't *that* good".
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Noons - 01 May 2008 14:44 GMT tony cooper wrote,on my timestamp of 1/05/2008 11:38 PM:
> The actual effect of your excessive praise it to think "It wasn't > *that* good". nownow, you are asking Helen to THINK?
XxYyZz - 01 May 2008 18:39 GMT > tony cooper wrote,on my timestamp of 1/05/2008 11:38 PM: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > nownow, > you are asking Helen to THINK? Just because your head hurts when you think doesn't mean everyone has that problem.
Helen - 01 May 2008 15:10 GMT > On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Helen > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > -- > Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida The only bit of truth in your post is that Bret's work is great. But it's your cynicism that destroyed anything honest and beautiful that was meant on my part regarding his work.
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 16:05 GMT > Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade > anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise. The fact that you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The actual effect of your excessive praise it to think "It wasn't > *that* good". Helen has often asked me if I thought she should let up on the gushing praise of my pics. She is always worried about doing anything that would hurt me. I always tell her to post whatever she wants and don't worry about what others think. So if Helen gets satisfaction in making her posts then who am I to argue? Maybe someday I'll post one and she'll say, "That one really sucks!" I would think no less of her if she did. I like to feel that I can take any valid critique from anyone. That's how we learn, ya know.
m II - 01 May 2008 16:48 GMT > I like to feel that I can > take any valid critique from anyone. You are also quite good at taking valid photographs from anyone, you cross dressing pervert.
Steal any Manger scenes lately?
mike
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 20:05 GMT > You are also quite good at taking valid photographs from anyone, you > cross dressing pervert. > > Steal any Manger scenes lately? Your pic wasn't a manger scene until I improved it. It was just a black mess. You can thank me later, sweetie.
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 17:39 GMT >> Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade >> anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise. The fact that you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >praise of my pics. She is always worried about doing anything that >would hurt me. You have to be bullet-proof to post links here. Look at Rita, for example. She links to some good shots and some mediocre shots, but she obviously continues to enjoy the art of photography. Isn't that what it's all about?
Helen, and the detractors of Rita, are in the same boat, but opposite ends of the boat. Helen's gushing does you no service because she's so over-the-top that it detracts from your work. Rita's boo-birds do the same thing, but the effect is to give her credit because many of her efforts are much better than the criticism she gets.
Anyone who doesn't see that Rita's playing games with the Canon/Nikon comments doesn't have sense enough to find the shutter release on an Instamatic. It's her entertainment, and she's obviously bright enough to know that the differences between Canon and Nikon are mostly personal preference. She's just pulling legs and causing knees to jerk.
I scan the group for links and look at the images. I enjoy seeing other people's work. Landscapes usually leave me unimpressed. Yeah, you photographed a mountain. So what? Damn thing didn't move so all you had to do was keep snapping. When the scene has a unique aspect, it's different. Someone, perhaps you, linked to one with fog or mist that made the image something more impressive. The eye caught it and said that the camera should record it. It was good because the eye saw something.
What really impresses me is when someone photographs an object or scene that the average photographer would not recognize as something worth capturing. The guy who photographs abandoned buildings in the Netherlands (?) is good at this. Someone linked to a bicycle tire on a red background that was a great job of composition.
Hummingbirds, OK. It takes skill and luck to capture one on film. (Or an SD card) Some other bird shots are great moments, but squirrels and dogs and cats and things like that are too commonplace and easy to shoot to impress me. Show me a shot that you had to work at to get, not one where you walked out in the backyard and snapped a tree rat.
Me? I photograph my grandchildren mostly. At three and four they are a changing scene every day. I won't link to those images because it just doesn't seem right to have strangers looking at them.
My daughter just did a series in Daytona Beach (FL) shot during Bike Week...all shots of the backs of motorcycle jackets. Not one really great picture on its own, but the theme was strong and the jackets tell a story.
She also does a lot of flower shots, but they are like mountains to me. They just sit there and let you take pictures until you get it right. No challenge once you learn to press the button.
Here's one her flower shots http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/calla.jpg It's a save-as of a 533 x 800 .jpg sent to me as an attachment, so it's not going to knock anyone out, but I like the look of it.
What annoys me, though, is the people who look at an image and start whining about "bokah", focus points, "soft", etc. The only reaction should be "Does this shot please me to look at?".
I've been to most of the major art museums in this country, and to several in Europe. The "masters", the really good stuff, view best from several yards back. It's the overall impression that makes them "masters". Photographs are much the same, but you view them from a shorter distance.
If the negative comments were attempts at suggestions for improvement, that would be OK. However, "the pin feathers are not distinct" offers nothing. Anyone who views a photograph with a mental loupe doesn't know how to view art in any form. It's not a picture of pinfeathers, it's a composition. Take in the whole composition.
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Matt Ion - 01 May 2008 18:02 GMT > Anyone who doesn't see that Rita's playing games with the Canon/Nikon > comments doesn't have sense enough to find the shutter release on an > Instamatic. It's her entertainment, and she's obviously bright enough > to know that the differences between Canon and Nikon are mostly > personal preference. She's just pulling legs and causing knees to > jerk. Isn't that the dictionary definition of a troll?
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 18:59 GMT >> Anyone who doesn't see that Rita's playing games with the Canon/Nikon >> comments doesn't have sense enough to find the shutter release on an [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Isn't that the dictionary definition of a troll? I'm proud of you for knowing what a dictionary is. Look up "sucker" and see if your copy includes "Person who gets their knickers in a twist over someone else's form of amusement".
The objective of a troll is to infuriate suckers and get them to respond. Without suckers, trolls fade away. You're doing your part, though, to show the plan is working.
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Olin K. McDaniel - 02 May 2008 23:39 GMT >>> Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade >>> anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise. The fact that you [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >know how to view art in any form. It's not a picture of pinfeathers, >it's a composition. Take in the whole composition. Tony - you said it VERY well! There is a compulsion amongst too many aspiring "hot shot" photographers to do a lot of nit-picking. It's no longer aspiring to get shots that really make the shooter feel good, it's become how to get commendations from the competition.
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Tully Albrecht - 03 May 2008 02:55 GMT >> What annoys me, though, is the people who look at an image and start >> whining about "bokah", focus points, "soft", etc. The only reaction [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> -- >> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida I agree. At first it was very annoying to read these 'critiques' which dealt mainly with brand wars, post-processing minutiae, the "engineering aspects you mention, and hardly any thoughts about the actual visual appeal of the work.
Then it came to me. The reason many of the posters are here is for their interest in the *equipment*, not the art. That's right up there in the name of the group.
It's the nature of usenet that the personal attack is as important to some people as any real exchange of ideas. It's a part of photography that many enthusiasts are more obsessed with collecting gear than they are with taking pictures.
I would definitely enjoy some thoughtful critique - aimed at improvement of the viewing experience - rather than quibbles over the EXIF data, Photoshop vs. other software, Canon vs. Nikon, etc.
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Annika1980 - 03 May 2008 04:09 GMT > I agree. At first it was very annoying to read these 'critiques' which > dealt mainly with brand wars, post-processing minutiae, the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > their interest in the *equipment*, not the art. That's right up there > in the name of the group. Nothing gets past you, dude!
Maybe you should try rec.photo.artsy.fartsy
John Turco - 04 May 2008 10:27 GMT > >> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to > >> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > It's nice to have one's personal claque, but I would think a > restraining order is called for. Hello, Tony:
For a long while, there, I'd thought you'd mispelled, "clique." (One >does< learn something new, every day, it appears. <g>)
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Alienjones - 01 May 2008 04:45 GMT |> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to |> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | an excellent job! Lovely detail in the feathers. | Helen What are you on about? These birds hover.
~From the lost dynamic range of that less than technically excellent happy snap, it looks like he set the camera up on a tripod with a remote shutter release, highlight preservation on and attracted the poor bird with a honey pot then fired enough flash power at it to damage the poor things eyes for the rest of it's life. And what about the bird's colours? Where are they?
Almost as bad as using freeze spray on insects or flash on a newborn baby. Learn some ecologically safe techniques will you? Get a decent camera so you don't need the light up the neighborhood to get the shot.
Without over use of flash and plasticizing the image in Photoshop, it could have been a nice picture. Not even a happy snap for the collection. Steal some of mine if you *must* have good photos. You already have most of them, or so you claim.
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from Douglas, If my PGP key is missing, the post is a forgery. Ignore it.
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 12:30 GMT >Steal some of mine if you *must* have good photos. When you post a good photo, I will. I'm still waiting.
Perhaps you can link us to your series of hummingbird shots ... I must have missed those. I'd like to see how a true Master (baiter) does it.
BTW, that one was handheld, 1/100 @ 400mm with no IS. Plus, it was late evening with little light. Don't try that at home.
XxYyZz - 01 May 2008 18:37 GMT > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > What are you on about? These birds hover. Yes, but only for a second or two.
> ~From the lost dynamic range of that less than technically excellent > happy snap, it looks like he set the camera up on a tripod with a remote > shutter release, highlight preservation on and attracted the poor bird > with a honey pot then fired enough flash power at it to damage the poor > things eyes for the rest of it's life. And what about the bird's > colours? Where are they? Damn, you can see all that in Bret's pic but you can't see why this one sucks ???
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm
> Almost as bad as using freeze spray on insects or flash on a newborn > baby. Learn some ecologically safe techniques will you? Get a decent > camera so you don't need the light up the neighborhood to get the shot. What's wrong with flash ? Don't you use it in your wedding shots ?
> Without over use of flash How do you "overuse" flash ?
and plasticizing the image in Photoshop
You mean like this one ?
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm
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> could have been a nice picture. Not even a happy snap for the > collection. Steal some of mine if you *must* have good photos. You > already have most of them, or so you claim. If he wanted good photos yours would be the last one to take !
> - -- > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > =eYGd > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- nntp.dsl.pipex.com - 01 May 2008 21:22 GMT
> Congrats!! What a joy it must have been! Oh god, the ridiculous Helen orgasming all over him once again. Annika really can't set a foot wrong for you can he Helen - or whoever the bloody hell you are. For once please just find the tiniest fault with one of his pictures will you, for god's sake
m II - 01 May 2008 21:38 GMT > Oh god, the ridiculous Helen orgasming all over him once again. > Annika really can't set a foot wrong for you can he Helen - or whoever > the bloody hell you are. For once please just find the tiniest fault > with one of his pictures will you, for god's sake. 'She' did find fault once. In a rare moment of honesty, 'she' proclaimed one of Dingleberry's photos to be 'TOO perfect' and thus not as likely to gushed over by the adoring but ignorant fans.
'She' then proceeded to ask her Digital Divinity for assurances of getting into Heaven and life eternal.
mike
Draco - 01 May 2008 14:09 GMT > After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to > tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original Nicely done. The (looks to me) rear curtain flash sync did a great job of showing the motion and speed of the wings. The catch light in the eye really brings the hummer to life. Detail in the breast and tail feathers are quite sharp and well defined. Though most of the colors are on the back of the hummer, you can get a feeling of the emerald green along the edging of the wings.
Keep it going. You are one of the few folk who still amaze me with their images.
Draco
Allen - 01 May 2008 16:02 GMT > After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to > tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original Fifty or sixty years ago Crawford Greenwalt (a member of the Dupont chemical dynasty) spent a huge amount of money (to say nothing of time--I believe over a year) on equipment and travel to gather photos of hummers for a book that was published; he had some beautiful images. He went to, as I recall, South America with state-of-the-art camera and strobe equipment to get those pictures; only someone like a Dupont could have afforded it. I believe he would like your picture if he were still around to enjoy it. Hummingbirds are among the most difficult subjects to photograph, in my totally unsuccessful attempts. Allen
bob - 01 May 2008 16:47 GMT I dont care what others think I do like Brets photographs. There is more honesty in Brets work .. far more than the Ritas D3 blah balh .. which is very questionable.. I dont even beleive the crap Rita puts up . of course Rita will respond .. do I care ..NO
Bret thanks and Helen keep the coments they are all honest .:)
> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to > tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year! > > http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original
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