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40D GETS A HUMMER!

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Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 02:20 GMT
After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!

http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original
Helen - 01 May 2008 02:50 GMT
> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original

Congrats!!  What a joy it must have been!
She looks like an angel the way you captured that moment in time.  I
can really feel a sense of movement looking at those wings.  I know
how hard it is to shoot these fast moving birds, so I commend you for
an excellent job!  Lovely detail in the feathers.
Helen
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 04:29 GMT
>> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
>> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>an excellent job!  Lovely detail in the feathers.
>Helen

Two things are as sure as death and taxes:  1) If Bret links to a
photo, it'll be good.  2) If Bret links to a photo, Helen will follow
with one of her gushing, better-than-a-spoon to make you gag posts.

It's nice to have one's personal claque, but I would think a
restraining order is called for.  
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Rita Berkowitz - 01 May 2008 12:42 GMT
>> Congrats!!  What a joy it must have been!
>> She looks like an angel the way you captured that moment in time.  I
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> It's nice to have one's personal claque, but I would think a
> restraining order is called for.

It's called sock puppetry.  There are times when Bret, I mean "Helen, sock
of Bret" has posted a gusher and it reached the news servers minutes before
Bret's plastic art has ever been seen.  I haven't decided what's worse, the
gush or the time he had a back woods f.ck PAW and posted as "Helen" from his
Tennessee account.  It's all fun but sad at the same time.

Rita
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Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 12:56 GMT
>  There are times when Bret, I mean "Helen, sock
> of Bret" has posted a gusher and it reached the news servers minutes before
> Bret's plastic art has ever been seen.  

Give just one example, liar.
Noons - 01 May 2008 14:27 GMT
> It's called sock puppetry.  There are times when Bret, I mean "Helen, sock
> of Bret" has posted a gusher and it reached the news servers minutes before
> Bret's plastic art has ever been seen.  I haven't decided what's worse, the
> gush or the time he had a back woods f.ck PAW and posted as "Helen" from his
> Tennessee account.  It's all fun but sad at the same time.

ROFL!

> Stamping out Internet stupidity one idiot at a time.  Never empower the
> idiot, embrace it and stimulate it.  For more details go to the Usenet
> Stimulus Project page.
>
> http://ritaberk.myhosting247.com

ROFLMAO!

Precious
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 16:06 GMT
> ROFLMAO!
>
> Precious

Why are you posting here, Noons?  Go back and f.ck off aus.photo.
Helen - 01 May 2008 14:10 GMT
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>
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> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

The definition of a "claque" is a group of persons hired to applaud an
act or performer.
Since I do not get paid nor am I asked to give such "gushing"
critique, I'd say you're dead wrong with your assumption.
FYI I give critique from the heart.  It's honest.  If it makes you
gag, so be it.  Don't read what I say or better yet killfile me.
FWIW, I am merely a drop in the bucket of fans that Bret has. I am no
more special than them.
Helen
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 14:38 GMT
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>>
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>The definition of a "claque" is a group of persons hired to applaud an
>act or performer.

I know exactly what a "claque" is, Helen.    

>Since I do not get paid nor am I asked to give such "gushing"
>critique, I'd say you're dead wrong with your assumption.

So you say.  

>FYI I give critique from the heart.  It's honest.  If it makes you
>gag, so be it.  Don't read what I say or better yet killfile me.
>FWIW, I am merely a drop in the bucket of fans that Bret has. I am no
>more special than them.

Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade
anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise.   The fact that you
always turn up to fawn over his latest, though, does hint at something
a bit beyond normal appreciation of a photo by a disinterested
outsider.  Especially since you don't offer similar critiques of other
poster's efforts.

The actual effect of your excessive praise it to think "It wasn't
*that* good".

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Noons - 01 May 2008 14:44 GMT
tony cooper wrote,on my timestamp of 1/05/2008 11:38 PM:

> The actual effect of your excessive praise it to think "It wasn't
> *that* good".

nownow,
you are asking Helen to THINK?
XxYyZz - 01 May 2008 18:39 GMT
> tony cooper wrote,on my timestamp of 1/05/2008 11:38 PM:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> nownow,
> you are asking Helen to THINK?

   Just because your head hurts when you think doesn't mean everyone has that
problem.
Helen - 01 May 2008 15:10 GMT
> On Thu, 1 May 2008 06:10:24 -0700 (PDT), Helen
>
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> --
> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

The only bit of truth in your post is that Bret's work is great.  But
it's your cynicism that destroyed anything honest and beautiful that
was meant on my part regarding his work.
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 16:05 GMT
> Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade
> anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise.   The fact that you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The actual effect of your excessive praise it to think "It wasn't
> *that* good".

Helen has often asked me if I thought she should let up on the gushing
praise of my pics.  She is always worried about doing anything that
would hurt me.  I always tell her to post whatever she wants and don't
worry about what others think.  So if Helen gets satisfaction in
making her posts then who am I to argue?  Maybe someday I'll post one
and she'll say, "That one really sucks!"
I would think no less of her if she did.  I like to feel that I can
take any valid critique from anyone.
That's how we learn, ya know.
m II - 01 May 2008 16:48 GMT
> I like to feel that I can
> take any valid critique from anyone.

You are also quite good at taking valid photographs from anyone, you
cross dressing pervert.

Steal any Manger scenes lately?

mike
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 20:05 GMT
> You are also quite good at taking valid photographs from anyone, you
> cross dressing pervert.
>
> Steal any Manger scenes lately?

Your pic wasn't a manger scene until I improved it.  It was just a
black mess.
You can thank me later, sweetie.
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 17:39 GMT
>> Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade
>> anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise.   The fact that you
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>praise of my pics.  She is always worried about doing anything that
>would hurt me.

You have to be bullet-proof to post links here.  Look at Rita, for
example.  She links to some good shots and some mediocre shots, but
she obviously continues to enjoy the art of photography.  Isn't that
what it's all about?

Helen, and the detractors of Rita, are in the same boat, but opposite
ends of the boat.  Helen's gushing does you no service because she's
so over-the-top that it detracts from your work.  Rita's boo-birds do
the same thing, but the effect is to give her credit because many of
her efforts are much better than the criticism she gets.

Anyone who doesn't see that Rita's playing games with the Canon/Nikon
comments doesn't have sense enough to find the shutter release on an
Instamatic.  It's her entertainment, and she's obviously bright enough
to know that the differences between Canon and Nikon are mostly
personal preference.  She's just pulling legs and causing knees to
jerk.

I scan the group for links and look at the images.  I enjoy seeing
other people's work.  Landscapes usually leave me unimpressed.  Yeah,
you photographed a mountain.  So what?  Damn thing didn't move so all
you had to do was keep snapping.  When the scene has a unique aspect,
it's different.  Someone, perhaps you, linked to one with fog or mist
that made the image something more impressive.  The eye caught it and
said that the camera should record it.  It was good because the eye
saw something.

What really impresses me is when someone photographs an object or
scene that the average photographer would not recognize as something
worth capturing.  The guy who photographs abandoned buildings in the
Netherlands (?) is good at this.  Someone linked to a bicycle tire on
a red background that was a great job of composition.

Hummingbirds, OK.  It takes skill and luck to capture one on film.
(Or an SD card)  Some other bird shots are great moments, but
squirrels and dogs and cats and things like that are too commonplace
and easy to shoot to impress me.  Show me a shot that you had to work
at to get, not one where you walked out in the backyard and snapped a
tree rat.

Me?  I photograph my grandchildren mostly.  At three and four they are
a changing scene every day.  I won't link to those images because it
just doesn't seem right to have strangers looking at them.

My daughter just did a series in Daytona Beach (FL) shot during Bike
Week...all shots of the backs of motorcycle jackets.  Not one really
great picture on its own, but the theme was strong and the jackets
tell a story.

She also does a lot of flower shots, but they are like mountains to
me.  They just sit there and let you take pictures until you get it
right.  No challenge once you learn to press the button.

Here's one her flower shots
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/cooper213/calla.jpg
It's a save-as of a 533 x 800 .jpg sent to me as an attachment, so
it's not going to knock anyone out, but I like the look of it.

What annoys me, though, is the people who look at an image and start
whining about "bokah", focus points, "soft", etc.  The only reaction
should be "Does this shot please me to look at?".    

I've been to most of the major art museums in this country, and to
several in Europe.  The "masters", the really good stuff, view best
from several yards back.  It's the overall impression that makes them
"masters".  Photographs are much the same, but you view them from a
shorter distance.

If the negative comments were attempts at suggestions for improvement,
that would be OK.  However, "the pin feathers are not distinct" offers
nothing.  Anyone who views a photograph with a mental loupe doesn't
know how to view art in any form.  It's not a picture of pinfeathers,
it's a composition.  Take in the whole composition.

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Matt Ion - 01 May 2008 18:02 GMT
> Anyone who doesn't see that Rita's playing games with the Canon/Nikon
> comments doesn't have sense enough to find the shutter release on an
> Instamatic.  It's her entertainment, and she's obviously bright enough
> to know that the differences between Canon and Nikon are mostly
> personal preference.  She's just pulling legs and causing knees to
> jerk.

Isn't that the dictionary definition of a troll?
tony cooper - 01 May 2008 18:59 GMT
>> Anyone who doesn't see that Rita's playing games with the Canon/Nikon
>> comments doesn't have sense enough to find the shutter release on an
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>
>Isn't that the dictionary definition of a troll?

I'm proud of you for knowing what a dictionary is.  Look up "sucker"
and see if your copy includes "Person who gets their knickers in a
twist over someone else's form of amusement".

The objective of a troll is to infuriate suckers and get them to
respond. Without suckers, trolls fade away.  You're doing your part,
though, to show the plan is working.

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Olin K. McDaniel - 02 May 2008 23:39 GMT
>>> Bret's stuff is good enough that he doesn't need to hire or persuade
>>> anyone to follow his posts with soppy praise.   The fact that you
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>know how to view art in any form.  It's not a picture of pinfeathers,
>it's a composition.  Take in the whole composition.

Tony - you said it VERY well!  There is a compulsion amongst too many
aspiring "hot shot" photographers to do a lot of nit-picking.  It's no
longer aspiring to get shots that really make the shooter feel good,
it's become how to get commendations from the competition.

Olin McDaniel - Florence, SC
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Tully Albrecht - 03 May 2008 02:55 GMT
>> What annoys me, though, is the people who look at an image and start
>> whining about "bokah", focus points, "soft", etc.  The only reaction
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>> --
>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

I agree. At first it was very annoying to read these 'critiques' which
dealt mainly with brand wars, post-processing minutiae, the
"engineering aspects you mention, and hardly any thoughts about the
actual visual appeal of the work.

Then it came to me. The reason many of the posters are here is for
their interest in the *equipment*, not the art. That's right up there
in the name of the group.

It's the nature of usenet that the personal attack is as important to
some people as any real exchange of ideas. It's a part of photography
that many enthusiasts are more obsessed with collecting gear than they
are with taking pictures.

I would definitely enjoy some thoughtful critique - aimed at
improvement of the viewing experience - rather than quibbles over the
EXIF data, Photoshop vs. other software, Canon vs. Nikon, etc.
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"Our ignorance is not so vast as our failure to use what we know."

Annika1980 - 03 May 2008 04:09 GMT
> I agree. At first it was very annoying to read these 'critiques' which
> dealt mainly with brand wars, post-processing minutiae, the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> their interest in the *equipment*, not the art. That's right up there
> in the name of the group.

Nothing gets past you, dude!

Maybe you should try rec.photo.artsy.fartsy
John Turco - 04 May 2008 10:27 GMT
> >> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
> >> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> It's nice to have one's personal claque, but I would think a
> restraining order is called for.

Hello, Tony:

For a long while, there, I'd thought you'd mispelled, "clique." (One >does<
learn something new, every day, it appears. <g>)

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Alienjones - 01 May 2008 04:45 GMT
|> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
|> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
| an excellent job!  Lovely detail in the feathers.
| Helen

What are you on about? These birds hover.

~From the lost dynamic range of that less than technically excellent
happy snap, it looks like he set the camera up on a tripod with a remote
shutter release, highlight preservation on and attracted the poor bird
with a honey pot then fired enough flash power at it to damage the poor
things eyes for the rest of it's life. And what about the bird's
colours? Where are they?

Almost as bad as using freeze spray on insects or flash on a newborn
baby. Learn some ecologically safe techniques will you? Get a decent
camera so you don't need the light up the neighborhood to get the shot.

Without over use of flash and plasticizing the image in Photoshop, it
could have been a nice picture. Not even a happy snap for the
collection. Steal some of mine if you *must* have good photos. You
already have most of them, or so you claim.

- --

from Douglas,
If my PGP key is missing, the
post is a forgery. Ignore it.
Annika1980 - 01 May 2008 12:30 GMT
>Steal some of mine if you *must* have good photos.

When you post a good photo, I will.  I'm still waiting.

Perhaps you can link us to your series of hummingbird shots ... I must
have missed those.  I'd like to see how a true Master (baiter) does
it.

BTW, that one was handheld, 1/100 @ 400mm with no IS.  Plus, it was
late evening with little light.  Don't try that at home.
XxYyZz - 01 May 2008 18:37 GMT
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>
> What are you on about? These birds hover.

 Yes, but only for a second or two.

> ~From the lost dynamic range of that less than technically excellent
> happy snap, it looks like he set the camera up on a tripod with a remote
> shutter release, highlight preservation on and attracted the poor bird
> with a honey pot then fired enough flash power at it to damage the poor
> things eyes for the rest of it's life. And what about the bird's
> colours? Where are they?

  Damn, you can see all that in Bret's pic but you can't see why this one
sucks ???

 http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm

> Almost as bad as using freeze spray on insects or flash on a newborn
> baby. Learn some ecologically safe techniques will you? Get a decent
> camera so you don't need the light up the neighborhood to get the shot.

 What's wrong with flash ?  Don't you use it in your wedding shots ?

> Without over use of flash

 How do you "overuse" flash ?

and plasticizing the image in Photoshop

 You mean like this one ?

http://www.douglasjames.com.au/previews/romance.htm

, it
> could have been a nice picture. Not even a happy snap for the
> collection. Steal some of mine if you *must* have good photos. You
> already have most of them, or so you claim.

 If he wanted good photos yours would be the last one to take !

> - --
>
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nntp.dsl.pipex.com - 01 May 2008 21:22 GMT


> Congrats!!  What a joy it must have been!

Oh god, the ridiculous Helen orgasming all over him once again.  
Annika really can't set a foot wrong for you can he Helen - or whoever
the bloody hell you are.  For once please just find the tiniest fault
with one of his pictures will you, for god's sake
m II - 01 May 2008 21:38 GMT
> Oh god, the ridiculous Helen orgasming all over him once again.  
> Annika really can't set a foot wrong for you can he Helen - or whoever
> the bloody hell you are.  For once please just find the tiniest fault
> with one of his pictures will you, for god's sake.

'She' did find fault once. In a rare moment of honesty, 'she' proclaimed
one of Dingleberry's photos to be 'TOO perfect' and thus not as likely
to gushed over by the adoring but ignorant fans.

'She' then proceeded to ask her Digital Divinity for assurances of
getting into Heaven and life eternal.

mike
Draco - 01 May 2008 14:09 GMT
> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original

Nicely done. The (looks to me) rear curtain flash sync did a great job
of showing the motion and speed of the wings. The catch light in the
eye really brings the hummer to life. Detail in the breast and tail
feathers are quite sharp and well defined. Though most of the colors
are on the back of the hummer, you can get a feeling of the emerald
green along the edging of the wings.

Keep it going. You are one of the few folk who still amaze me with
their images.

Draco
Allen - 01 May 2008 16:02 GMT
> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original

Fifty or sixty years ago Crawford Greenwalt (a member of the Dupont
chemical dynasty) spent a huge amount of money (to say nothing of
time--I believe over a year) on equipment and travel to gather photos of
hummers for a book that was published; he had some beautiful images. He
went to, as I recall, South America with state-of-the-art camera and
strobe equipment to get those pictures; only someone like a Dupont could
have afforded it. I believe he would like your picture if he were still
around to enjoy it. Hummingbirds are among the most difficult subjects
to photograph, in my totally unsuccessful attempts.
Allen
bob - 01 May 2008 16:47 GMT
I dont care what others think I do like Brets photographs. There is more
honesty in Brets work .. far more than the Ritas D3 blah balh .. which is
very questionable.. I dont even beleive the crap Rita puts up . of course
Rita will respond .. do I care ..NO

Bret thanks and Helen keep the coments they are all honest .:)

> After months and months of a long dry spell, I guess I don't have to
> tell you how good it feels to get your first hummer of the year!
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/96400717/original
 
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