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Alan Browne - 26 Apr 2008 17:43 GMT
A good article with some phots:
http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/travel/27journeys.html?hp

I'll be in Yosemite for 4 days this summer, though mostly not where AA
trekked.

Cheers,
Alan.

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~^ beancounter ~^ - 26 Apr 2008 17:55 GMT
cool artical and link....thanx....adams did amazing stuff w/his
equipment and darkroom
methods....i love browsing his works...(   ..  and trying to get
simular results......)

On Apr 26, 10:43 am, Alan Browne <alan.bro...@freelunchvideotron.ca>
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> A good article with some phots:http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/travel/27journeys.html?hp
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er - 26 Apr 2008 18:51 GMT
> A good article with some phots:
> http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/travel/27journeys.html?hp
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Cheers,
> Alan.
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Alan,

Thanks for posting this.  Assuming this is your first trip;

Yosemite is, without a doubt, one of my favorite places on the entire
planet.  I first visited when I was 13 or 14, camping with my grandparents.
I had just discovered photography, and was traveling with an old folding 620
film camera.  I'd love to find those negatives, and see exactly what I shot.

Now, with business taking my wife and I to San Francisco every August, we
always set a few days aside at the end, and drive back to the NW by way of
Yosemite.

If you've never been there before, and are up for a couple of hikes, I'd
recommend the Vernal/ Nevada Falls circle, and the Sentinal Dome/Taft Point
hike.  The falls hike is long, but not terribly strenuous, the dome and
point hike is short, and mostly flat.

If you are driving, not to be missed is the trip out the east side of the
park over Tioga Pass.  Views are great, and the road is an experience.   At
the end of the road is a gas station/gift shop/restaurant with food that is
up to REALLY fine restaurant standards.  Don't believe me, google "whoa
nellie deli."

Have a great trip.

EQR
Alan Browne - 26 Apr 2008 19:50 GMT
> If you've never been there before, and are up for a couple of hikes, I'd
> recommend the Vernal/ Nevada Falls circle, and the Sentinal Dome/Taft Point
> hike.  The falls hike is long, but not terribly strenuous, the dome and
> point hike is short, and mostly flat.

We'll spend one night in the Curry Village area and then our hiking will
be north of the 120 along the Tuolumne towards Hetch Hetchy and some
high areas.

> If you are driving, not to be missed is the trip out the east side of the
> park over Tioga Pass.  Views are great, and the road is an experience.   At
> the end of the road is a gas station/gift shop/restaurant with food that is
> up to REALLY fine restaurant standards.  Don't believe me, google "whoa
> nellie deli."

Thanks for that last tip.  My SO and I really don't like much of the
fare available by the American road.  Way too much fat and carbs.  We'll
hit the WND on our way to Mono.

Cheers,
Alan

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er - 27 Apr 2008 05:14 GMT
>> If you are driving, not to be missed is the trip out the east side of the
>> park over Tioga Pass.  Views are great, and the road is an experience.
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> Cheers,
> Alan
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Interesting parallels here.

This August, after business in San Francisco, we've decided to forego our
usual time in Yosemite, and simply drive through to 395, then down through
Death Valley, across to Zion, then to North Rim Grand Canyon.  From there,
we are crossing Utah to Mesa Verde.  Our usual week's trip home is
stretching to two this year.

Expect to see some arches along the way too.

Somebody mentioned Bodie, sort of in passing.  It's a pretty neat, well
preserved ghost town at the end of a long rough road, but worth the trip -
ONCE.

I have some neat shots of the tuffa on Mono Lake from two years ago.  It's
right there at the end of the Tioga Pass highway, so I'd recommend stopping
if only for a few shots.

EQR
Savageduck - 27 Apr 2008 06:45 GMT
>>> If you are driving, not to be missed is the trip out the east side of
>>> the park over Tioga Pass.  Views are great, and the road is an
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> EQR

Good route. Though if you are skipping Yosemite you might want to try
getting to 395 via Tahoe to ring the changes so to speak.

With Mono Lake visits the thing to remember, is the brine flies can
really spoil a visit in mid to late Summer.
er - 27 Apr 2008 08:11 GMT
> Good route. Though if you are skipping Yosemite you might want to try
> getting to 395 via Tahoe to ring the changes so to speak.
>
> With Mono Lake visits the thing to remember, is the brine flies can really
> spoil a visit in mid to late Summer.
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Not sure what you mean by "ring the changes."

Out of curiosity, I did a Mapquest plugging in the Donner Pass route, and
it's a bit longer, both time and distance than the route through Yosemite.
Then, I simply plugged in San Francisco to Lee Vining, and Mapquest routed
me over Sonora Pass.  About an hour less than the route through Yosemite.
Never taken that route before.  Do you know it?

Right you are about the flies at Mono Lake.  We encountered Gazillions of
them, but they were really only a minor annoyance.  Would have been worse if
we were barefoot, or wanting to wade into the lake.

EQR
Savageduck - 27 Apr 2008 13:41 GMT
>> Good route. Though if you are skipping Yosemite you might want to try
>> getting to 395 via Tahoe to ring the changes so to speak.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Not sure what you mean by "ring the changes."

All I meant by "ring the changes" was to provide a change from the
route you are familiar with. Certainly taking 80 over Donner Pass to
the North of Tahoe will be the longer route.
I was thinking of 50 through Sacramento on to South Lake Tahoe and
Carson City to meet 395 there.

> Out of curiosity, I did a Mapquest plugging in the Donner Pass route,
> and it's a bit longer, both time and distance than the route through
> Yosemite. Then, I simply plugged in San Francisco to Lee Vining, and
> Mapquest routed me over Sonora Pass.  About an hour less than the route
> through Yosemite. Never taken that route before.  Do you know it?

I can see that MapQuest or some other guidance system might route you
that way. I have never used Sonora Pass, but I have been tempted. It
like Tioga is subject to Winter closure and could be very interesting
to try one day.

From where I live on the Central Coast in San Luis Obispo County I have
quite a number of options on getting to, over or around the Sierras,
and I have used most of them.

> Right you are about the flies at Mono Lake.  We encountered Gazillions
> of them, but they were really only a minor annoyance.  Would have been
> worse if we were barefoot, or wanting to wade into the lake.
>
> EQR
Robert Coe - 27 Apr 2008 15:49 GMT
: >> Good route. Though if you are skipping Yosemite you might want to try
: >> getting to 395 via Tahoe to ring the changes so to speak.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
: like Tioga is subject to Winter closure and could be very interesting
: to try one day.

The AAA road atlas indicates that a 19-mile stretch of that road is closed in
winter, but right in the middle is a ski area! What are you supposed to do,
snowshoe ten miles up to the lodge?  ;^)

BTW, I'll second the endorsement of Tioga Pass. Very scenic road, and I don't
recall it as being all that tough a drive. At least I've seen much worse. My
trip over it was more than 30 years ago, though, and it wouldn't surprise me
if traffic is heavier now than it was then.

Bob
Kulvinder Singh Matharu - 28 Apr 2008 18:41 GMT
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>BTW, I'll second the endorsement of Tioga Pass. Very scenic road, and I don't
>recall it as being all that tough a drive. At least I've seen much worse. My
>trip over it was more than 30 years ago, though, and it wouldn't surprise me
>if traffic is heavier now than it was then.

I was in Tioga Pass in 1993 and there wasn't much traffic there. But,
yes, the scenery was gorgeous!

Here's a badly scanned and over-saturated photo that I took way back
then and before I took up photography as a hobby:

http://www.metalvortex.com/myphotos/usa/nearyosemite.htm

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Gary Edstrom - 28 Apr 2008 18:59 GMT
>BTW, I'll second the endorsement of Tioga Pass. Very scenic road, and I don't
>recall it as being all that tough a drive. At least I've seen much worse. My
>trip over it was more than 30 years ago, though, and it wouldn't surprise me
>if traffic is heavier now than it was then.
>
>Bob

Yes, definitely see Tioga Pass / Tolumne Meadows.  Here are some
pictures I took last Thanksgiving.  All of the facilities along the road
were closed for the season, but it was still a beautiful drive, even
with the meadows being brown:

http://gbe.dynip.com/Yosemite_2007

Here is what Dana Meadows looked like on a springtime trip in 1980.
Compare it to the shot of Dana Meadows above.

http://gbe.dynip.com/Yosemite_1980/RA2308A.jpg

Gary Edstrom
Paul Furman - 05 May 2008 02:08 GMT
>> Good route. Though if you are skipping Yosemite you might want to try
>> getting to 395 via Tahoe to ring the changes so to speak.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> me over Sonora Pass.  About an hour less than the route through Yosemite.
> Never taken that route before.  Do you know it?

Sonora pass is my favorite. You can tell no engineer designed that road,
it's just a paved wagon trail.

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Alan Browne - 27 Apr 2008 16:32 GMT
> This August, after business in San Francisco, we've decided to forego our
> usual time in Yosemite, and simply drive through to 395, then down through
> Death Valley, across to Zion, then to North Rim Grand Canyon.  From there,
> we are crossing Utah to Mesa Verde.  Our usual week's trip home is
> stretching to two this year.

Natural Bridges NP is nice:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6046198&size=lg but wish I had a
WA lens.  This place looked dull under overcast, but by the time we
walked down to the bottom of the canyon, the overcast cleared.

Arches NP is spectacular (and hot):
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6046217&size=lg again a 40mm
would have been great.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6046211&size=lg
and of course the obligatory:
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/image/71244103 hard hike at 102F and lots
of gear.

> I have some neat shots of the tuffa on Mono Lake from two years ago.  It's
> right there at the end of the Tioga Pass highway, so I'd recommend stopping
> if only for a few shots.

In plan.

Cheers,
Alan.

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Robert Coe - 27 Apr 2008 18:01 GMT
: I have some neat shots of the tuffa on Mono Lake ...

"tufa". Anyone Googling for what you're talking about will have to spell it
correctly. "tuffa" generates an entirely different set of hits.

Bob
er - 27 Apr 2008 20:29 GMT
> : I have some neat shots of the tuffa on Mono Lake ...
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Bob
---------------------------------------------

Thanks Bob,

Do know how to spell it, but I have heavy fingers and a cheap keyboard that
sometimes add a letter or two, here and there.

EQR
Savageduck - 26 Apr 2008 18:58 GMT
> A good article with some phots:
> http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/travel/27journeys.html?hp
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Cheers,
> Alan.

If you are able to seperate yourself from the tourista masses, you will
find the AA vistas are there for everyman.
There are great vantage points of the valley, including El Cap,
Half-Dome, etc. which are just a step from the roadside (AA didn't do
all that much hiking.) The views of Half-Dome and the valley from
Glacier Point (one of AA's shooting spots) are great, but are a drive
away from the standard valley floor tourist fair.

Certainly there are different parts of Yosemite which require some
physical exploration. Try it, you will probably like it.

Since you will be in the area, might I suggest two other variations to
your trip which will provide you with great photo oportunities.
Take the drive over to the Tioga Pass to the Eastern Sierras to Mono
Lake and Mammoth, and/or check out Kings Canyon - Sequoia National
Parks. The South Fork of Kings Canyon is one of the lesser known visual
wonders of California. The shear granite walls are beyond belief and
are scenic over kill.

Enjoy,

Savageduck
Alan Browne - 26 Apr 2008 19:41 GMT
> If you are able to seperate yourself from the tourista masses, you will
> find the AA vistas are there for everyman.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Certainly there are different parts of Yosemite which require some
> physical exploration. Try it, you will probably like it.

I managed to get three nights of High Sierra camps booked, although I
wasn't in the original lottery.  Perhaps high gas prices have spooked
some people out.  This involves one easy hike and one more punishing.  I
may need to get a mule to haul gear, but the logistics/rules for that
are a bit off v. our reservations.  Our hike out will be over 20 km (but
mostly downhill).

(Note: now that maps.google.com includes "terrain" it makes studying up
a lot easier.  I also ordered maps from USGS and have a couple more to get).

> Since you will be in the area, might I suggest two other variations to
> your trip which will provide you with great photo oportunities.
> Take the drive over to the Tioga Pass to the Eastern Sierras to Mono
> Lake and Mammoth, and/or check out Kings Canyon - Sequoia National
> Parks. The South Fork of Kings Canyon is one of the lesser known visual

All in the plan.  But now SO wants to add the Grand Canyon which would
put a serious crimp on our schedule.

> wonders of California. The shear granite walls are beyond belief and are
> scenic over kill.

No such thing as scenic overkill.

> Enjoy,

Will do .. thanks for the tips.

Cheers,
Alan.

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Ray Fischer - 26 Apr 2008 20:13 GMT
>> If you are able to seperate yourself from the tourista masses, you will
>> find the AA vistas are there for everyman.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>(Note: now that maps.google.com includes "terrain" it makes studying up
>a lot easier.  I also ordered maps from USGS and have a couple more to get).

You should note that the area around Tuolumne (that's four syllables,
BTW) meadows is at a wheeze-inducing 7,000 ft.  Tioga pass tops out at
10,000 feet.  Hikes are a little more strenuous than at sea-level.

>> Since you will be in the area, might I suggest two other variations to
>> your trip which will provide you with great photo oportunities.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>All in the plan.  But now SO wants to add the Grand Canyon which would
>put a serious crimp on our schedule.

Figure 2-3 days just to drive out to the Grand Canyon from Yosemite.
Mammoth is okay but nothing I'd drive a longs ways to see.  The Ghost
town of Bodie is in the area but it's a day's trip.  Mono lake can be
cool but the tufa that stood in the lake are shrinking.  More water is
being allowed to flow into the lake.

Also in the area is Death Valley.  A different kind of scenery, to be
sure, but just as dramatic.

>> wonders of California. The shear granite walls are beyond belief and are
>> scenic over kill.
>
>No such thing as scenic overkill.

The hardest part of shotting Yosemite valley is conveying the sheer
scale of the mountains.  El Capitan is a sheer vertical cliff that's
thousands of feet high.  It's one thing to stand there and be
surrounded by such things but getting photos is hard.

Plan ahead.

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Alan Browne - 26 Apr 2008 20:51 GMT
>> (Note: now that maps.google.com includes "terrain" it makes studying up
>> a lot easier.  I also ordered maps from USGS and have a couple more to get).
>
> You should note that the area around Tuolumne (that's four syllables,
> BTW) meadows is at a wheeze-inducing 7,000 ft.  Tioga pass tops out at
> 10,000 feet.  Hikes are a little more strenuous than at sea-level.

Tuolumne is closer to 8000' actually, but the first hike will be fairly
level and short (about 8 km).

I'll be at the nautilus 3 / wk for full work outs plus the brutal stair
climber from May 1 on ...  (the "brutal" stair climber they have breaks
in an odd way that makes "climbing" extra strenuous).

> Figure 2-3 days just to drive out to the Grand Canyon from Yosemite.
> Mammoth is okay but nothing I'd drive a longs ways to see.  The Ghost
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Also in the area is Death Valley.  A different kind of scenery, to be
> sure, but just as dramatic.

DV is on the agenda.  GC is a possibility that I'll try to cool my SO on.

>>> wonders of California. The shear granite walls are beyond belief and are
>>> scenic over kill.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thousands of feet high.  It's one thing to stand there and be
> surrounded by such things but getting photos is hard.

Long foregrounds with convergence to the base of a tall object help get
the scale right.  Not all scenes are conducive to this.

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Ray Fischer - 26 Apr 2008 23:22 GMT
>> Figure 2-3 days just to drive out to the Grand Canyon from Yosemite.
>> Mammoth is okay but nothing I'd drive a longs ways to see.  The Ghost
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>DV is on the agenda.  GC is a possibility that I'll try to cool my SO on.

Grand Canyon is, without a doubt, way cool, but it's a serious drive
and once you're there you'll want to spend time there.  I'd plan a
separate trip - maybe even consider a rafting trip down the Colorado.

I visited Death Valley last summer (late July) for a day and my kids
are STILL annoyed with me.  Daytime temperatures were around 115 and
nightime cooled down to 85 just before dawn.  The heat will kill you
if you're stupid.  But I had fun.

>> The hardest part of shotting Yosemite valley is conveying the sheer
>> scale of the mountains.  El Capitan is a sheer vertical cliff that's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Long foregrounds with convergence to the base of a tall object help get
>the scale right.  Not all scenes are conducive to this.

During the summer there are often climbers on El Capitan, but you need
at least binoculars and preferably a telescope to see them.  People
just get lost on the scale of the mountains.

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Robert Coe - 27 Apr 2008 16:44 GMT
: You should note that the area around Tuolumne (that's four syllables,
: BTW) meadows is at a wheeze-inducing 7,000 ft. ...

Have they changed the authorized pronunciation? I could swear that when I was
there in 1970, the park rangers, and even the recorded messages that played
through your car radio, pronounced it TWAHL-um-nee (3 syllables).

What's the 4-syllable version? too-uh-LUM-nee?

Bob
Savageduck - 27 Apr 2008 17:07 GMT
> : You should note that the area around Tuolumne (that's four syllables,
> : BTW) meadows is at a wheeze-inducing 7,000 ft. ...
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What's the 4-syllable version? too-uh-LUM-nee?

The psuedo-sophisticated wine country types tend toward "too-ul-um-nay" .
The same sort of the thing as turning the fine Dutch artist Van Gogh (
"Vun Gogg" with the gutteral GH, unachievable by the American tongue
without some Germanic language education) into an affected Frenchman
named Van Go!
Robert Coe - 27 Apr 2008 17:54 GMT
: > : You should note that the area around Tuolumne (that's four syllables,
: > : BTW) meadows is at a wheeze-inducing 7,000 ft. ...
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
: without some Germanic language education) into an affected Frenchman
: named Van Go!

Or calling the Schuylkill River the "Skookle"?  ;^)

As for the word under discussion, it could be an example of a native American
word being mangled by Spanish spelling conventions. I suppose that
"too-uh-lum-nay" would be the approximate pronunciation in Spanish, but it
doesn't look like a Spanish word to me. If the 3-syllable pronunciation were
original, it might have been blurred by the transformation to Spanish
orthography, which has (as best I recall) neither the "tw" sound cluster nor
any obvious way to represent it.

Bob
Savageduck - 27 Apr 2008 18:45 GMT
> : > : You should note that the area around Tuolumne (that's four syllables,
> : > : BTW) meadows is at a wheeze-inducing 7,000 ft. ...
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> orthography, which has (as best I recall) neither the "tw" sound cluster nor
> any obvious way to represent it.

I found this:
Toulumne  toö'älamë

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuolumne_Band_of_Me-Wuk_Indians
Don Kirkman - 28 Apr 2008 19:45 GMT
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Robert Coe wrote in article
<rfa9149l9b8s53v9lmuu1s2t6nue40tsr8@4ax.com>:

[Re:  pronunciation of  "Tuolumne:\

>As for the word under discussion, it could be an example of a native American
>word being mangled by Spanish spelling conventions. I suppose that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>orthography, which has (as best I recall) neither the "tw" sound cluster nor
>any obvious way to represent it.

Your hunch about Tuolomne being native American seems right.  A number of  place
or feature names in central California, some obscure,  have the same ending;
e.g.:

Watchumne[sp?] - a small stream or canal (too small to be listed, but known to
my father who grew up in the area
Cosumne[s] - a river in the gold country
Mokelumne - a hill in the gold country
Tuolumne - a plant (button celery)
Hamish Reid - 28 Apr 2008 21:26 GMT
> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Robert Coe wrote in article
> <rfa9149l9b8s53v9lmuu1s2t6nue40tsr8@4ax.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> Mokelumne - a hill in the gold country
> Tuolumne - a plant (button celery)

My copy of "California Place Names" (Gudde / Bright, UC Press) says (in
part) that "[t]he origin is probably Central Sierra Miwok taawalimni
'squirrel place' [...]", but that book's quite old now. In any case,
it's usually pronounced something like "too-ol-uh-mi", with the emphasis
on the first syllable (sometimes the second). It's recorded in Spanish
in a variety of ways, principally "Taulamne" (with an accent on the
second "a") or "Tahualamne", the second of which is pronounced somewhat
like the present day English pronunciation.

Nice place, in any case!

   Hamish
Paul Furman - 05 May 2008 02:25 GMT
> As for the word under discussion, it could be an example of a native American
> word being mangled by Spanish spelling conventions. I suppose that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Bob

And the Mokeolumne is not far away :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokelumne_River
'The name, pronounced [mɑ.ˈkel.ʌm.ni], is Plains Miwok and is
constructed from moke, meaning fishnet, and -umne, a suffix meaning
"people of".'

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Savageduck - 26 Apr 2008 21:46 GMT
>> If you are able to seperate yourself from the tourista masses, you will
>> find the AA vistas are there for everyman.
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> All in the plan.  But now SO wants to add the Grand Canyon which would
> put a serious crimp on our schedule.

I would skip the Grand Canyon. Once you are into the Owens Valley of
the Eastern Sierra, head down to Lone Pine and Whitney Portal. Then
cross to Death Valley, spend a night at Furnace Creek so you can take
in the DV stuff.
Once you are done with that go to Zion, for my money much better than
the Grand Canyon.

>> wonders of California. The shear granite walls are beyond belief and
>> are scenic over kill.
>
> No such thing as scenic overkill.

Agreed, however there is a wholesale dose of it on that kind of itinerary.

>> Enjoy,
>
> Will do .. thanks for the tips.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan.
Alan Browne - 26 Apr 2008 22:05 GMT
>> All in the plan.  But now SO wants to add the Grand Canyon which would
>> put a serious crimp on our schedule.
>
> I would skip the Grand Canyon.

What part of "SO wants" do you not get?   ;-)

My "Happiness" is at stake.

> Once you are into the Owens Valley of the
> Eastern Sierra, head down to Lone Pine and Whitney Portal. Then cross to
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> Agreed, however there is a wholesale dose of it on that kind of itinerary.

Forewarned is...

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Savageduck - 27 Apr 2008 01:36 GMT
>>> All in the plan.  But now SO wants to add the Grand Canyon which would
>>> put a serious crimp on our schedule.
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>
> My "Happiness" is at stake.

Ok, ok. So aah moments, driving (or other travel methods), $4+/Gal gas
prices time available and a blissful future are the real issues here.
This is the promise of Zion NP;
http://www.travelwest.net/parks/zion/photo_gallery.html ;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion_national_park ;
http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_national_park/ut_zion.htm

If GC is on the list and you are driving from California, good route
planning will let you avoid Las Vegas, or not.
Get out your map and trace a route across Tioga Pass, down US395 to
South of Lone Pine. Head East on 136 & 190 through DV with an over
night at Furnace Creek, there are 2 choices here, Furnace Creek Inn
$$$$$ or the more motelish Furnace Creek Ranch $$, I think of them as
nothing more than necessary evil travel stop oases, lodging is limited.

Then drive into Nevada and here you can bypass Vegas if you choose and
drive into Utah and see Zion. From Zion  you can go the North rim of
the Grand Canyon and take that in. It is a very different aspect to the
well trodden South rim.
From the North rim head East past the Vermillion Cliffs & Marble Canyon
(you can always take that Colorado raft trip from here) and re-enter
Grand Canyon NP from the East to the South Rim. You will see much more
than the average South rim day tripper.

Then thoroughly exhaused, you can curse me for ever suggesting you put
yourself through driving this route and find some way to fly home from
Flagstaff or Las Vegas.

>> Once you are into the Owens Valley of the Eastern Sierra, head down to
>> Lone Pine and Whitney Portal. Then cross to Death Valley, spend a night
>> at Furnace Creek so you can take in the DV stuff.
>> Once you are done with that go to Zion, for my money much better than
>> the Grand Canyon.

>>>> wonders of California. The shear granite walls are beyond belief and
>>>> are scenic over kill.
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>
> Forewarned is...
Robert Coe - 27 Apr 2008 15:55 GMT
: > A good article with some phots:
: > http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/travel/27journeys.html?hp
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: Half-Dome, etc. which are just a step from the roadside (AA didn't do
: all that much hiking.) ...

There are some drawbacks to doing outdoor photography with a 10-inch view
camera perched on a massive wooden tripod.  ;^)

Bob
 
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