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Ed Mullikin - 24 Apr 2008 16:57 GMT
Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my Autoplay
settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to be not an
option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements 5.0 Photo
Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all of this
"help"?
Neil Ellwood - 24 Apr 2008 17:20 GMT
> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
> Autoplay settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to
> be not an option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements
> 5.0 Photo Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all
> of this "help"?
Use linux.
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Ignoramus26128 - 24 Apr 2008 20:42 GMT
>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
>> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
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>> of this "help"?
> Use linux.

Linux works well for me.

Lets me process a lot of photos per minute.

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Ron Hunter - 25 Apr 2008 08:23 GMT
>>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
>>> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Lets me process a lot of photos per minute.

Linux isn't a solution that is appropriate, or practical, for most
users.  For one thing, there are altogether TOO MANY variations on the
main theme, and they aren't compatible in most cases.
Paul Allen - 25 Apr 2008 16:59 GMT
>>>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my
>>>> computer I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Linux isn't a solution that is appropriate, or practical, for most
> users.  

What?  Software that does what it's supposed to do without locking
you into a monopoly or exposing you script kiddies is not
appropriate or practical?  That's news.

> For one thing, there are altogether TOO MANY variations on the
> main theme, and they aren't compatible in most cases.

This statement is content-free.  If you want to criticize
Linux, say something specific and back it up with facts.

With that said, I should note that my Fedora 7 system has been
behaving like the OP's system since I installed it.  Every time
I plug in a memory card it pops up a dialog offering to import
the images into F-Spot.  I have my own image cataloging
program, so I normally just dismiss it and continue on.  I just
looked, and there is an easy-to-find Removable Media Preferences
dialog where that can be turned off.  Point, click, done.

This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy,
intuitive, and reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions
on Usenet asking where to find the checkbox that turns an
annoying feature off.  

Paul Allen
David J Taylor - 25 Apr 2008 17:55 GMT
[]
> This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy,
> intuitive, and reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions
> on Usenet asking where to find the checkbox that turns an
> annoying feature off.
>
> Paul Allen

Not needing to ask questions may say more about you as a computer literate
user, than about the OS as such!  <G>

David
Jürgen Exner - 25 Apr 2008 18:22 GMT
>This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy,
>intuitive, and reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions
>on Usenet asking where to find the checkbox that turns an
>annoying feature off.  

Do you honestly believe that in a Linux version of Adobe Photoshop that
check box would be in a different place than in the Windows version?

jue
Paul Allen - 26 Apr 2008 07:54 GMT
>>This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive, and
>>reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking where to
>>find the checkbox that turns an annoying feature off.
>
> Do you honestly believe that in a Linux version of Adobe Photoshop that
> check box would be in a different place than in the Windows version?

What an odd thing to ask.  Who said anything about a Linux version
of Photoshop?

One answer is that Windows software generally *is* confusing.  The
possibility of a Linux port of Photoshop that puts things in different
places than the Windows version is not that much of a stretch.  Hopefully,
Adobe's programmers are better than Microsoft's, and that wouldn't happen.

Another answer is that placing the checkbox inside an application like
Photoshop is brain damage.  I have no idea whether Photoshop actually
does that, but the notion is silly.  The behavior of the OS on insertion
of a memory card is a system-wide preference, or at least a user by
user setting.  It is certainly not an application setting.  It sounded
like the OP has several applications simultaneously volunteering to
import images when he inserts a card.  Is Windows really so badly
organized that users have to track down settings like this in each
application's unique preferences scheme in order to turn them off?

Paul Allen
Cynicor - 26 Apr 2008 11:51 GMT
>>> This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive, and
>>> reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking where to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> possibility of a Linux port of Photoshop that puts things in different
> places than the Windows version is not that much of a stretch.  

(snort) And Linux programs also just SMELL better, usually like Damask
roses. And when you hit F6, actual dollar bills start pouring out of the
back of your keyboard...with Linux. Also, using Linux will get you a
date with a supermodel.
John - 26 Apr 2008 12:45 GMT
>>>> This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive, and
>>>> reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking where
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> back of your keyboard...with Linux. Also, using Linux will get you a date
> with a supermodel.

What is the program called in Linux? Is it really any good?

John.
Cynicor - 26 Apr 2008 13:57 GMT
>>>>> This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive, and
>>>>> reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking where
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> What is the program called in Linux? Is it really any good?

If it really worked, you'd see a bunch of loners and geeks using Linux
for...hey, wait!
Jürgen Exner - 26 Apr 2008 14:50 GMT
>>>This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive, and
>>>reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking where to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>What an odd thing to ask.  Who said anything about a Linux version
>of Photoshop?

The OP didn't know how to disable the "Auto Launch Adobe Photo
Downloader". It was _YOU_ who replied it would be easier on Linux.

Linux may or may not be easy, intuitive, reliable and save the world
from hunger. However it would not have solved the OP's problem, even if
there were a Linux version of PS.

[Rest of ranting snipped because vastly OT]

jue
Paul Allen - 27 Apr 2008 01:54 GMT
>>>>This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive,
>>>>and reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> The OP didn't know how to disable the "Auto Launch Adobe Photo
> Downloader". It was _YOU_ who replied it would be easier on Linux.

Really?  We can all look back through the thread and see who said
what.  You need to take a breath.

> Linux may or may not be easy, intuitive, reliable and save the world
> from hunger. However it would not have solved the OP's problem, even if
> there were a Linux version of PS.

In this particular case, Linux would have got the OP to a solution
more quickly than Windows.  He had two photo editors popping up
import dialogs when he inserted a memory card.  It turned out that
fixing this involved tracking down the settings inside each application
that control auto-importing.  On Linux, it doesn't matter how many
photo editors I have installed.  There is one place where I control
auto-importing from memory cards.  The Linux mechanism for handling
this is easier and more intuitive.

> [Rest of ranting snipped because vastly OT]

I think someone needs a nap.  :-)

Paul Allen
Ron Hunter - 27 Apr 2008 08:38 GMT
>>>>> This is what I've come to expect from Linux.  It's easy, intuitive,
>>>>> and reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Paul Allen

So, you think that setting up his machine for Linux, learning all the
ins and outs of a particular 'flavor' of Linux, and then finding,
installing, and learning to use, all the comparable software, would be
faster for the OP than just locating the setting in one, or the other of
the programs and setting it to 'off'?  Somehow I doubt that, very much.

If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is not
the solution for most of us.
Paul Allen - 27 Apr 2008 18:31 GMT
>> In this particular case, Linux would have got the OP to a solution more
>> quickly than Windows.  He had two photo editors popping up import
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> auto-importing from memory cards.  The Linux mechanism for handling
>> this is easier and more intuitive.

> So, you think that setting up his machine for Linux, learning all the
> ins and outs of a particular 'flavor' of Linux, and then finding,
> installing, and learning to use, all the comparable software, would be
> faster for the OP than just locating the setting in one, or the other of
> the programs and setting it to 'off'?  Somehow I doubt that, very much.

Nope.  You can read what I wrote.  You do not have my permission to
put ridiculous words in my mouth.

> If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is not
> the solution for most of us.

Actually, it is the way out for all of us.  You may choose not to see,
if you must.

Paul Allen
nospam - 27 Apr 2008 19:00 GMT
> > If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is not
> > the solution for most of us.
>
> Actually, it is the way out for all of us.  You may choose not to see,
> if you must.

the way out of what?
Blinky the Shark - 27 Apr 2008 19:17 GMT
>> > If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>> > not the solution for most of us.
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>
> the way out of what?

Cleveland.

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John Turco - 04 May 2008 10:26 GMT
> >> > If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
> >> > not the solution for most of us.
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>
> Cleveland.

Hello, Blinky:

Argh! Not >another< Cleveland joke, please! :-J

Cordially,
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Blinky the Shark - 04 May 2008 17:42 GMT
>> >> > If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>> >> > not the solution for most of us.
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>
> Argh! Not >another< Cleveland joke, please! :-J

My bad.  I meant Bakersfield.

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Paul Allen - 27 Apr 2008 20:57 GMT
>> > If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>> > not the solution for most of us.
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>
> the way out of what?

I was thinking of the Windows monopoly trap, of course.  Macs
certainly work better than Windows, but are only marginally less
of a trap.

Paul Allen
Cynicor - 27 Apr 2008 21:37 GMT
>>>> If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>>>> not the solution for most of us.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> certainly work better than Windows, but are only marginally less
> of a trap.

How is there a Windows monopoly if you're talking about two other freely
available operating systems and highly popular third-party apps used on
each?
Paul Allen - 27 Apr 2008 23:56 GMT
>>>>> If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>>>>> not the solution for most of us.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> available operating systems and highly popular third-party apps used on
> each?

I'm going to assume that you're joking, and spare the rest of the
newsgroup the trouble of you being buried in facts and data.  This
is not the place.

Paul Allen
Ron Hunter - 28 Apr 2008 02:31 GMT
>>>>>> If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>>>>>> not the solution for most of us.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Paul Allen

Yet you seem to consider it ok to use the group to promote Linux.  Let
other users decide what is best for them.
Paul Allen - 28 Apr 2008 07:16 GMT
>>> [... asks for proof that Microsoft is a monopoly ...]
>>
>> I'm going to assume that you're joking, and spare the rest of the
>> newsgroup the trouble of you being buried in facts and data.  This is
>> not the place.

> Yet you seem to consider it ok to use the group to promote Linux.  

You got it.  When it comes to pointing out areas where Linux works
better than Windows for photography, I will not be silent.  Burying
Cynicor in facts and data from the Microsoft anti-trust case
would be fun, but not here.

> Let
> other users decide what is best for them.

Hear, hear!  And let everyone have complete information on which
to base a decision.  That is what you meant, isn't it?

Paul Allen
Ron Hunter - 28 Apr 2008 08:16 GMT
>>>> [... asks for proof that Microsoft is a monopoly ...]
>>> I'm going to assume that you're joking, and spare the rest of the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Paul Allen

Not when you suggest one go to the trouble of changing OS types just to
alleviate a minor problem with a parameter setting.  Massive overkill.
Cynicor - 28 Apr 2008 04:45 GMT
>>>>>> If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it is
>>>>>> not the solution for most of us.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> newsgroup the trouble of you being buried in facts and data.  This
> is not the place.

If it's not the place, why did you start with the OS bashing? Either
answer the OP's question or don't.
Paul Allen - 28 Apr 2008 06:58 GMT
>>>>>>> If Linux works well for you, and you like it, great!  However, it
>>>>>>> is not the solution for most of us.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> If it's not the place, why did you start with the OS bashing?

This thread started out somewhat related to photography.  It quickly
focused in on the relative awkwardness of the Windows way of dealing
with memory cards versus other platforms.  At that point, it was still
at least remotely related to the OP's question.  A full accounting
of Microsoft's monopolistic mis-deeds would be a long story and is
not germane to the OP's problem at all.  Look up Judge Jackson's
Findings of Fact from the Microsoft anti-trust case, if you want a
fun read.  Settling that case essentially in Microsoft's favor was
one of the first things the Bush Administration's Attorney General
did after the coup of 2000.

> Either
> answer the OP's question or don't.

Huh?  You do know that the OP's question was answered days ago,
right?

Paul Allen
Cynicor - 28 Apr 2008 12:20 GMT
> This thread started out somewhat related to photography.  It quickly
> focused in on the relative awkwardness of the Windows way of dealing
> with memory cards versus other platforms.  At that point, it was still
> at least remotely related to the OP's question.  A full accounting
> of Microsoft's monopolistic mis-deeds would be a long story and is
> not germane to the OP's problem at all.

Great, email that to eight years ago.

  Look up Judge Jackson's
> Findings of Fact from the Microsoft anti-trust case, if you want a
> fun read.  

Yup. As most fiction is. "We are defining Apple as being in a different
market for the purposes of proving that Microsoft monopolizes their market."

And then Jackson's ruling was overturned, and an appeals court found
unanimously that Jackson's conduct had been improper, and that Microsoft
was acting lawfully when tying browser to OS. So you want to prove your
point by posting items from a ruling that was strongly rebuked and
overturned as fiction. OK!

> Settling that case essentially in Microsoft's favor was
> one of the first things the Bush Administration's Attorney General
> did after the coup of 2000.

Well, except for that 7-0 appeals court ruling.
Paul Allen - 28 Apr 2008 16:37 GMT
>> This thread started out somewhat related to photography.  It quickly
>> focused in on the relative awkwardness of the Windows way of dealing
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> point by posting items from a ruling that was strongly rebuked and
> overturned as fiction. OK!

Guess again.  Jackson's Findings of Fact were not overturned.  His legal
ruling was overturned partly because he was unable to contain his mirth
at Microsoft's transparent disdain for the law, and his court in
particular.  The case was remanded to a different judge, and then the
Bush Justice Department decided they really didn't want to fix the
Microsoft problem and settled the case, essentially in Microsoft's
favor.

>> Settling that case essentially in Microsoft's favor was one of the
>> first things the Bush Administration's Attorney General did after the
>> coup of 2000.
>
> Well, except for that 7-0 appeals court ruling.

Which left Jackson's Findings of Fact intact.  That's why I suggested
that you go educate yourself by reading them.

Paul Allen
Floyd L. Davidson - 29 Apr 2008 04:53 GMT
>Guess again.  Jackson's Findings of Fact were not overturned.  His legal
>ruling was overturned partly because he was unable to contain his mirth
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>Microsoft problem and settled the case, essentially in Microsoft's
>favor.

The European Union is actively prosectuting Microsoft
for non-competitive illegal practices.

http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653

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Ron Hunter - 28 Apr 2008 02:29 GMT
>>> In this particular case, Linux would have got the OP to a solution more
>>> quickly than Windows.  He had two photo editors popping up import
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Paul Allen

He asked how to stop his computer from responding to insertion of a
card, or jumpdrive with pictures on it from calling a program to
download pictures, and you said "Swith to Linux."  Hardly a feasible
solution.  Rather like buying a 747 because you need to go to the corner
grocery.
Paul Allen - 28 Apr 2008 07:38 GMT
> He asked how to stop his computer from responding to insertion of a
> card, or jumpdrive with pictures on it from calling a program to
> download pictures, and you said "Swith to Linux."  

Sorry.  You're mistaken.  Neil Ellwood said, "Use Linux".  Then
somebody else said Linux worked well for them.  Then you offered
your opinion that Linux is neither appropriate nor practical for most
users, with the silly canard of multiple Linux versions as your
evidence.  That's when I stepped into this tar pit.

> Hardly a feasible
> solution.  

Millions of satisfied users demonstrate otherwise.

> Rather like buying a 747 because you need to go to the corner
> grocery.

Well, that analogy is rather flattering to Linux, but a more
apt one would be getting a reliable OS for free to replace the
awkward contraption you paid Microsoft for.

Paul Allen
Ron Hunter - 26 Apr 2008 08:31 GMT
>>>>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my
>>>>> computer I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Paul Allen

Nor do I with Windows, because I read instruction manuals for the
programs I buy.  I find the PSE 'grabbing' of photo content rather
annoying, but default, but it is easily turned off.  In truth, many
programs act this way, and that is not limited to Windows programs.
PSE doesn't even wait until the user allows the transfer to start, it
just goes.  But blaming Windows (MS) for this is rather unfair, given
that Adobe is the vendor in question.

I am sure that some people find this action convenient, and always want
to allow PSE to handle the transfer of the images to the computer HD,
but I rather like controlling my own transfer operation.
Paul Allen - 27 Apr 2008 19:11 GMT
>> With that said, I should note that my Fedora 7 system has been behaving
>> like the OP's system since I installed it.  Every time I plug in a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>> reliable.  I don't ever have to post questions on Usenet asking where
>> to find the checkbox that turns an annoying feature off.

> Nor do I with Windows, because I read instruction manuals for the
> programs I buy.  I find the PSE 'grabbing' of photo content rather
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> goes.  But blaming Windows (MS) for this is rather unfair, given that
> Adobe is the vendor in question.

Let's see. Vendors of image editing software must each implement this
feature themselves because the platform they run on provides no central
mechanism.  Many Photoshop plugins work fine with the GIMP under Linux
because vendors must write their own low-level graphics code rather than
rely on the platform's native libraries.  Dude, the Emperor isn't wearing
any clothes!  Is Microsoft so sacred that pointing out the obvious is
forbidden?  I would say pointing out the obvious is not only fair, but
necessary.

> I am sure that some people find this action convenient, and always want
> to allow PSE to handle the transfer of the images to the computer HD,
> but I rather like controlling my own transfer operation.

As do I.  And I really like being able to control it in just a
single place instead of having to track down the setting in multiple
applications' different preference schemes.  It's a small thing, really.
You note that the behavior of PSE on Windows is annoying, but easily
changed.  The default behavior of Fedora is to ask if I want to import
into F-Spot when I plug in a memory card, but this is easily changed.
Lets get past this little annoyance and go take some pictures.

Paul Allen
nospam - 27 Apr 2008 20:15 GMT
> Let's see. Vendors of image editing software must each implement this
> feature themselves because the platform they run on provides no central
> mechanism.  

on the mac there's a central mechanism.

> Many Photoshop plugins work fine with the GIMP under Linux
> because vendors must write their own low-level graphics code rather than
> rely on the platform's native libraries.  

no, *some* photoshop plug-ins (filter plug-ins, in particular) work in
the gimp because the photoshop host api is implemented as a gimp
plug-in.  

there are plenty of other photoshop plug-ins, including image stack,
automate, selection, colour picker, format, import and export plugins
that do not work in the gimp.  also, i doubt that recent photoshop
filter plug-ins will work properly, as adobe has added quite a bit to
the api in recent years.

furthermore, photoshop plug-ins do not need to implement their own low
level graphics code.  plug-ins can use photoshop itself (via callbacks)
or the host platform's libraries (either mac or pc) to do whatever is
needed.  one drawback to using the platform libraries directly is that
two separate versions will be needed for a cross platform plug-in,
whereas if one uses photoshop's callbacks (or platform neutral code),
only one implementation is required.
Paul Allen - 27 Apr 2008 20:52 GMT
>> Let's see. Vendors of image editing software must each implement this
>> feature themselves because the platform they run on provides no central
>> mechanism.
>
> on the mac there's a central mechanism.

That appears to leave Windows the odd man out, doesn't it?

>> Many Photoshop plugins work fine with the GIMP under Linux because
>> vendors must write their own low-level graphics code rather than rely
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> the gimp because the photoshop host api is implemented as a gimp
> plug-in.

Why the rush to say, "No," when you're actually agreeing with me?
The pspi.exe GIMP plug-in for Windows lets you run Photoshop plug-ins
in the GIMP.  You can get pspi.exe to run under Linux using WINE.
Many Photoshop plug-ins work fine with the GIMP under Linux because
they use their own graphics libraries rather than relying on some
external library that might not be present or might not work under
WINE.

> there are plenty of other photoshop plug-ins, including image stack,
> automate, selection, colour picker, format, import and export plugins
> that do not work in the gimp.  also, i doubt that recent photoshop
> filter plug-ins will work properly, as adobe has added quite a bit to
> the api in recent years.

There are certainly plenty of Photoshop plug-ins that don't work
with the GIMP under Linux.  And, it may be that Adobe has thrown
a wrench into the works by changing the API.  These are some of
the risks of letting yourself get locked into proprietary software.

> furthermore, photoshop plug-ins do not need to implement their own low
> level graphics code.  plug-ins can use photoshop itself (via callbacks)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> whereas if one uses photoshop's callbacks (or platform neutral code),
> only one implementation is required.

Ummm, yeah.  Having Photoshop libraries available implies having
Photoshop installed, which is not currently possible under Linux.
Of course, many things would work better if vendors used cross-
platform libraries like the GIMP's gtk+.  See my earlier comment
about the risks of getting locked into proprietary software.

Paul Allen
nospam - 28 Apr 2008 02:09 GMT
> >> Many Photoshop plugins work fine with the GIMP under Linux because
> >> vendors must write their own low-level graphics code rather than rely
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Why the rush to say, "No," when you're actually agreeing with me?

i'm pointing out that only some plug-ins work but not for the reasons
you stated.

> The pspi.exe GIMP plug-in for Windows lets you run Photoshop plug-ins
> in the GIMP.  You can get pspi.exe to run under Linux using WINE.
> Many Photoshop plug-ins work fine with the GIMP under Linux because
> they use their own graphics libraries rather than relying on some
> external library that might not be present or might not work under
> WINE.

plug-ins generally contain all the code they need without requiring
external libraries, or they call back into photoshop for whatever
service is required.  one example is drawing to screen, where photoshop
does the resizing, colour profile matching, bounds clipping, etc.  

some plug-ins might make use of platform specific routines, but that's
generally the exception since it doubles the work needed for a
cross-platform plug-in.  if it calls an external library (which would
be even more unusual), there would need to be two such libraries, one
for mac and one for windows.  by sticking to photoshop apis, plug-ins
are for all intents, automatically cross-platform, with almost no extra
effort.

> > there are plenty of other photoshop plug-ins, including image stack,
> > automate, selection, colour picker, format, import and export plugins
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> a wrench into the works by changing the API.  These are some of
> the risks of letting yourself get locked into proprietary software.

what's proprietary about it?  the photoshop api is public and anyone
can get it and write photoshop plug-ins.  

adobe has not changed the api, but they've added a lot to it with every
release of photoshop, and recent plug-ins use the new features.  for
instance, cs3 now supports smart filters (non-destructive filters), and
if a filter plug-in supports that, it too can be non-destructive.  i'd
rather benefit from the improvements than have it stagnate.

> > furthermore, photoshop plug-ins do not need to implement their own low
> > level graphics code.  plug-ins can use photoshop itself (via callbacks)
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> Ummm, yeah.  Having Photoshop libraries available implies having
> Photoshop installed, which is not currently possible under Linux.

not being able to run photoshop is definitely a drawback.  

> Of course, many things would work better if vendors used cross-
> platform libraries like the GIMP's gtk+.  See my earlier comment
> about the risks of getting locked into proprietary software.

as i said before, the photoshop api is available to anyone and the
plug-ins are generally a combination of platform neutral code and
callbacks into photoshop.  it's very easy to make a plug-in cross
platform.
Ron Hunter - 28 Apr 2008 02:33 GMT
>>> With that said, I should note that my Fedora 7 system has been behaving
>>> like the OP's system since I installed it.  Every time I plug in a
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>
> Paul Allen

Either approach is effective, so switching to Linux instead of tracking
down the setting in PSE seems to be a bit more trouble.  Meanwhile the
OP could be taking more pictures.
Cynicor - 24 Apr 2008 17:32 GMT
> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
> Autoplay settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to
> be not an option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements
> 5.0 Photo Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all
> of this "help"?

Try holding down the shift key as you plug it in.
Jürgen Exner - 24 Apr 2008 17:42 GMT
>Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
>get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my Autoplay
>settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to be not an
>option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements 5.0 Photo
>Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all of this
>"help"?

This time it has nothing to do with AutoPlay.
When installing Adobe PSE it placed a deamon in the system tray. This
daemon checks for new memory cards with photos and if it finds those it
will launch PSE.
Disable/close/exit that deamon and PSE will keep quiet.

To stop PSE from starting that deamon every time you log on go to
Edit -> Preference -> Camera or Card Reader -> Download Options and
disable "Auto Launch Adobe Photo Downloader on Device Connect"

jue
Cynicor - 24 Apr 2008 18:06 GMT
>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
>> get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my Autoplay
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Edit -> Preference -> Camera or Card Reader -> Download Options and
> disable "Auto Launch Adobe Photo Downloader on Device Connect"

And almost on-topic, I don't know how many of you have used the Autoruns
program from SysInternals, but it is GREAT. You can see every piece of
cruft that runs when you start Windows, and turn them on or off. It
pulls the info from every hiding place in the registry.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
Ed Mullikin - 24 Apr 2008 22:08 GMT
>>Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
>>get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> jue

Thank you!  That appears to have solved my vexing problem.
George Kerby - 25 Apr 2008 14:39 GMT
On 4/24/08 11:42 AM, in article pfd114le5idqd1a56ush72upsq3nb9pg11@4ax.com,

>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
>> get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my Autoplay
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> jue
Gawd! What a pain in the a.s you people must endure.
Ron Hunter - 24 Apr 2008 19:50 GMT
> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
> Autoplay settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to
> be not an option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements
> 5.0 Photo Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all
> of this "help"?

Usually, there are 'services' which do this monitoring of activity, and
you can set them to not load automatically. (disable). Access the
control panel, and find services under system.
John Turco - 27 Apr 2008 11:05 GMT
> > Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
> > I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> you can set them to not load automatically. (disable). Access the
> control panel, and find services under system.

Hello, Ron:

Damn it! There's no "Services" tab, on my own Control Panel\System. (Windows
XP Home, SP2.)

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Joe Makowiec - 27 Apr 2008 11:12 GMT
> Damn it! There's no "Services" tab, on my own Control Panel\System.
> (Windows XP Home, SP2.)

XP, Classic view of the control panel, it's under 'Administrative Tools'

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Cynicor - 27 Apr 2008 13:09 GMT
>> Damn it! There's no "Services" tab, on my own Control Panel\System.
>> (Windows XP Home, SP2.)
>
> XP, Classic view of the control panel, it's under 'Administrative Tools'

PEOPLE! Download Autoruns at
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx. Use it.
Be amazed.
Ron Hunter - 27 Apr 2008 14:58 GMT
>>> Damn it! There's no "Services" tab, on my own Control Panel\System.
>>> (Windows XP Home, SP2.)
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> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx. Use it.
> Be amazed.
Yes, it is a very good tool.  What msconfig SHOULD be.
John Turco - 04 May 2008 10:26 GMT
> > Damn it! There's no "Services" tab, on my own Control Panel\System.
> > (Windows XP Home, SP2.)
>
> XP, Classic view of the control panel, it's under 'Administrative Tools'

Hello, Joe:

I found it, thank you. (Did me no good, alas.)

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Ron Hunter - 27 Apr 2008 14:58 GMT
>>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
>>> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Cordially,
>            John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services.
John Turco - 04 May 2008 10:26 GMT
> >>> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer
> >>> I get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services.

Hello, Ron:

I saw Joe Makowiec's reply, with that same info, first. Regardless, accessing
"Services" didn't help me, as there was no option for this type of "monitoring
of activity," there.

Thanks, anyway!

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
George Kerby - 25 Apr 2008 14:38 GMT
On 4/24/08 10:57 AM, in article 962Qj.110708$Ft5.28768@newsfe15.lga, "Ed
Mullikin" <edmull2@cox.net> wrote:

> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
> get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my Autoplay
> settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to be not an
> option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements 5.0 Photo
> Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all of this
> "help"?

Get a Mac. Screw WinBlows.
Cynicor - 25 Apr 2008 15:29 GMT
> On 4/24/08 10:57 AM, in article 962Qj.110708$Ft5.28768@newsfe15.lga, "Ed
> Mullikin" <edmull2@cox.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>
> Get a Mac. Screw WinBlows.

The new Mac ad told me that they work better because all the software is
written by Apple, not by all different vendors!
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios - 25 Apr 2008 19:04 GMT
> Everytime I plug a compact flash card (or memory stick) into my computer I
> get programs that rush to help me and I don't want help!  I have my
> Autoplay settings ALL on "Ask me every time" ("Take no action" seems to be
> not an option with Vista.)  and I still get Adobe Photoshop Elements 5.0
> Photo Downloader rushing to download my photos.  How can I stop all of
> this "help"?
Go to "run", type "msconfig", then go to "startup" in the window that pops
up. I have disabled everything, except the language tool bar, the icon that
disconnects usb devices, the speaker icon, and DSL connection icon (in the
taskbar). I did that since my celeron 433, and increases performance. I have
win XP greek, core 2 duo 2.66, 1 GB, asus ATI 2600 512 MB, 320 GB Hitach
deskstar, and I'm saving up for a LSD flat panel:-)

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Dave - 26 Apr 2008 20:39 GMT
..... and I'm saving up for a LSD flat panel:-)

Now,one of those would really make your photo's colors pop....

Dave
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios - 27 Apr 2008 18:16 GMT
> ..... and I'm saving up for a LSD flat panel:-)
>
> Now,one of those would really make your photo's colors pop....

Thanks to my godmother I'll have one on my desk in a few days:-) It's a
custom in Greece to make presents in Easter, the orthodox Easter is today.

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Jürgen Exner - 27 Apr 2008 18:46 GMT
>? "Dave" <nodlee5spam@fuse.net> ?????? ??? ??????
>> ..... and I'm saving up for a LSD flat panel:-)
>>
>> Now,one of those would really make your photo's colors pop....
>>
>Thanks to my godmother I'll have one on my desk in a few days:-)

I very, very strongly doubt that :-).
Read again -carefully- what you wrote above.

jue

PS: if you still don't see it, please check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsd

jue
 
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