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me@mine.net - 26 Feb 2008 15:12 GMT
I've looked at the on-line reviews and the Nikon USA web site without
ant luck. Could someone with a D300 please look at the auto-iso setup
menu and note if shuttle speeds above 1/250sec can be set?

Thanks.
C J Campbell - 27 Feb 2008 17:53 GMT
> I've looked at the on-line reviews and the Nikon USA web site without
> ant luck. Could someone with a D300 please look at the auto-iso setup
> menu and note if shuttle speeds above 1/250sec can be set?
>
> Thanks.

From the manual:
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If [Off] (the default setting) is chosen for the [ISO sensitivity auto
control] option in the shooting menu, ISO sensitivity will remain
fixed at the value selected by the user (see page 96). If [On] is
chosen, ISO sensitivity will automatically be adjusted if optimal
exposure can not be achieved at the value selected by the user
(flash level is adjusted appropriately). The maximum value for
auto ISO sensitivity can be selected using the [Maximum
sensitivity] option in the [ISO sensitivity auto control] menu (the
minimum value for auto ISO sensitivity is automatically set to ISO
200). In exposure modes P and A, sensitivity will only be adjusted if
underexposure would result at the shutter speed selected for
[Minimum shutter speed]. Slower shutter speeds may be used if
optimum exposure can not be achieved at the ISO sensitivity value
selected for [Maximum sensitivity].
When [On] is selected, the control panel
and viewfinder show ISO-AUTO. When
sensitivity is altered from the value selected
by the user, these indicators blink and the
altered value is shown in the viewfinder.
Auto ISO Sensitivity Control
Noise is more likely at higher sensitivities. Use the [High ISO NR] option in
the shooting menu to reduce noise (see page 263). Foreground subjects
may be underexposed in photos taken with the flash at slow shutter
speeds, in daylight, or against a bright background. Choose a flash mode
other than slow sync or select exposure mode A or M and choose a larger
aperture.
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The

menu offers a range of minimum shutter speeds from 1 second to 1/250 second.
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me@mine.net - 27 Feb 2008 18:17 GMT
>> I've looked at the on-line reviews and the Nikon USA web site without
>> ant luck. Could someone with a D300 please look at the auto-iso setup
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>
>From the manual:

Snip, thanks but I know how it works as I use it all the time on my
D200. And do have the D300 manual.

>The menu offers a range of minimum shutter speeds from 1 second to 1/250 second.

Bummer, I was hoping for in increase in the fastest shutter speeds
similar to that in the jump from the D70 to the D200. 1/250th just
isn't fast enough to really take advantage of this feature some times.
Rita Berkowitz - 27 Feb 2008 18:59 GMT
> Bummer, I was hoping for in increase in the fastest shutter speeds
> similar to that in the jump from the D70 to the D200. 1/250th just
> isn't fast enough to really take advantage of this feature some times.

There's a firmware hack that opens this up, but it will void your warranty.
Why piss with it when you can get what you want from M or S mode?

Rita
me@mine.net - 27 Feb 2008 19:17 GMT
>> Bummer, I was hoping for in increase in the fastest shutter speeds
>> similar to that in the jump from the D70 to the D200. 1/250th just
>> isn't fast enough to really take advantage of this feature some times.
>
>There's a firmware hack that opens this up, but it will void your warranty.
>Why piss with it when you can get what you want from M or S mode?

Because you can't get the same behavior from those modes, as you can
with A mode and auto iso.
Rita Berkowitz - 27 Feb 2008 21:59 GMT
>>> Bummer, I was hoping for in increase in the fastest shutter speeds
>>> similar to that in the jump from the D70 to the D200. 1/250th just
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Because you can't get the same behavior from those modes, as you can
> with A mode and auto iso.

Well, this means you have to adapt to the next best thing.  I have no
problems with 1/250 in the auto-ISO setting as I can set it to accommodate
all my lenses up to the 70-200/2.8 VR.  When the 500 goes on, I have no
problems adjusting in M or S modes.  It's really not as big a deal you are
trying to make it out to be.

Rita
me@mine.net - 27 Feb 2008 23:23 GMT
>all my lenses up to the 70-200/2.8 VR.  When the 500 goes on, I have no
>problems adjusting in M or S modes.  It's really not as big a deal you are
>trying to make it out to be.

When was the last time you hiked 5-6miles along a 25-50' high sand cliff
wooded riverfront at pre-dawn/dawn or dusk with the 500 on the prowl for
eagles or some other wildlife that may not be a stationary subject? Take
into account the rising sun, clouds, location of the subject wrt to the
sun, distance to the subject, etc this is a big help compared to just
setting isoxxxx and dealing with the results.This type of situation
represents 25% of what I do at this time of year. If it is not a big deal
to you so be it. Unless you expressly know the situation someone else
shoots in, or why they might actually trying to photograph something,
please don't assume.

The issue is the D200/D300 have this feature, why cripple it for some uses?
From a technical standpoint there is no reason, from a marketing one....
And yes, I have relayed this to Nikon tech support.
Rita Berkowitz - 28 Feb 2008 02:30 GMT
>> all my lenses up to the 70-200/2.8 VR.  When the 500 goes on, I have
>> no problems adjusting in M or S modes.  It's really not as big a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> expressly know the situation someone else shoots in, or why they
> might actually trying to photograph something, please don't assume.

Well, I do that and I also shoot the 500 strictly handheld.  Unless I'm
missing something it really isn't an issue.  Don't get me wrong, I
questioned this the very first day and felt the same way you do, but I moved
on.  It's such a none issue for me that I keep it at 1/60 since I can
handhold all my glass at that speed.  Sometimes when I get perky I'll bump
it to 1/250.

> The issue is the D200/D300 have this feature, why cripple it for some
> uses? From a technical standpoint there is no reason, from a
> marketing one.... And yes, I have relayed this to Nikon tech support.

Maybe they will upgrade the firmware?  If not, I'll just keep on shooting as
I have been.

Oh, your IP address is familiar and you remind me of someone else.

Rita
me@mine.net - 28 Feb 2008 10:48 GMT
>Well, I do that and I also shoot the 500 strictly handheld.  Unless I'm
>missing something it really isn't an issue.  Don't get me wrong, I
>questioned this the very first day and felt the same way you do, but I moved
>on.  It's such a none issue for me that I keep it at 1/60 since I can
>handhold all my glass at that speed.  Sometimes when I get perky I'll bump
>it to 1/250.

It isn't about the ability to hand hold. It's about the ability to capture
actively flying, not gliding birds. You can't do that at 1/60.
Rita Berkowitz - 28 Feb 2008 12:02 GMT
>> Well, I do that and I also shoot the 500 strictly handheld.  Unless
>> I'm missing something it really isn't an issue.  Don't get me wrong,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It isn't about the ability to hand hold. It's about the ability to
> capture actively flying, not gliding birds. You can't do that at 1/60.

And you can't do this using (S)hutter priority?  Sheesh, my suspicions that
you are trolling have been confirmed.  Now stop your fucken morphing.

Rita
me@mine.net - 28 Feb 2008 23:49 GMT
>And you can't do this using (S)hutter priority?  Sheesh, my suspicions that
>you are trolling have been confirmed.  Now stop your fucken morphing.

Says you, who keeps adding aus.photo and rec.photo.equipment.35mm to the
groups list every time you reply.

http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/dSLR/wildlife/Osprey/DSC_3619-01_cr102
4_800.jpg

Rita Berkowitz - 29 Feb 2008 01:14 GMT
>> And you can't do this using (S)hutter priority?  Sheesh, my
>> suspicions that you are trolling have been confirmed.  Now stop your
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/dSLR/wildlife/Osprey/DSC_3619-01_cr102
4_800.jpg

That was shot Aperture Priority 1/1000 f/4.  The same shot could have been
taken in Shutter priority at 1/400 and faster.  Like I said, it's a none
issue.  Oh, the other groups are part of our little family, why exclude
them?

Rita
Chris Savage - 29 Feb 2008 10:16 GMT
>>And you can't do this using (S)hutter priority?  Sheesh, my suspicions that
>>you are trolling have been confirmed.  Now stop your fucken morphing.
>
> Says you, who keeps adding aus.photo and rec.photo.equipment.35mm to the
> groups list every time you reply.

That's perfectly reasonable behaviour -- just means Rita is
volunteering himself for the killfile. Filtering out aus.photo makes a
huge difference to the SNR around here.

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Daniel Silevitch - 28 Feb 2008 13:36 GMT
>>Well, I do that and I also shoot the 500 strictly handheld.  Unless I'm
>>missing something it really isn't an issue.  Don't get me wrong, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It isn't about the ability to hand hold. It's about the ability to capture
> actively flying, not gliding birds. You can't do that at 1/60.

Could you go into M mode, set the shutter and aperture you want, and let
the camera adjust the ISO to get the exposure right? I _think_ auto-ISO
works in M mode, but I'm not entirely sure. Might be worth testing, in
any event.

-dms
C J Campbell - 28 Feb 2008 18:34 GMT
>> Well, I do that and I also shoot the 500 strictly handheld.  Unless I'm
>> missing something it really isn't an issue.  Don't get me wrong, I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It isn't about the ability to hand hold. It's about the ability to capture
> actively flying, not gliding birds. You can't do that at 1/60.

I see no reason why auto-ISO is required for this, or even why it would
be beneficial. But then, I never use auto-ISO, even when shooting
eagles.
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Mr.T - 28 Feb 2008 23:29 GMT
> Well, I do that and I also shoot the 500 strictly handheld.  Unless I'm
> missing something it really isn't an issue.  Don't get me wrong, I
> questioned this the very first day and felt the same way you do, but I moved
> on.  It's such a none issue for me that I keep it at 1/60 since I can
> handhold all my glass at that speed.

Wow, you can handhold a 500mm at 1/60th and capture action as well. I'd like
to see that.
On second thoughts, no I wouldn't!

MrT.
 
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