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Photo Forum / Digital Photography / Digital Photo / January 2008Framing in darkness
--I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" (in infrared?) so I can accurately frame an image in pretty much total darkness. Anyone seen such a beastie?  Signature"Steamboat Ed" Haas : All the candidates Hacking the Trailing Edge! : are JERKS!! www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- > --I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade >soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" (in >infrared?) so I can accurately frame an image in pretty much total darkness. >Anyone seen such a beastie? Not AFAIK, but some cameras have boosted EVF that can work in near darkness. SignatureBest regards, John Navas Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others) > --I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade > soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" (in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > www.nmpproducts.com > ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- I haven't seen one but you have a few options. It is fairly common to remove the IR filter from a dSLR and use it to shoot IR. So there's not reason you could do that and frame by taking pics or you could do it to a P&S with a "live screen". You could also get an old-fashioned framing guide that goes on your hot-shoe to approximate the framing without having to look through the camera as all. Finally, you could rig a night vision scope to a camera and just use night-vision. > --I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade > soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" > (in > infrared?) so I can accurately frame an image in pretty much total > darkness. > Anyone seen such a beastie? The Sony F707 and F717 used to do that. The F828 also. (They included their own IR light source, so it worked fairly well.) I don't know if there are any more recent cameras that have it, though. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan > --I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade > soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" (in > infrared?) so I can accurately frame an image in pretty much total darkness. > Anyone seen such a beastie? How about carrying a flashlight? > --I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade > soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" (in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > www.nmpproducts.com > ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- If you are shooting in total darkness it is unlikely you will get anything. The sensors only see NEAR infrared- out to just over one micron. Unless you have a special near IR illuminator you will not see much if there is not SOME source of light. Do not expect to see THERMAL IR, that is, the radiation given off by the heat of an object. That begins at about four to five microns, which is invisible to silicon sensors. --Building an IR illuminator is trivial, but will the camera see it without tinkering in its guts to remove the filter? That's my concern: if I open up a new camera I'll probably destroy it, heh. Looking, I guess, for a camera that's set up with an IR filter that's switchable, on/off. Anything like that on the market? Signature"Steamboat Ed" Haas : All the candidates Hacking the Trailing Edge! : are JERKS!! www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- > --Building an IR illuminator is trivial, but will the camera see it > without tinkering in its guts to remove the filter? That's my concern: if I > open up a new camera I'll probably destroy it, heh. Looking, I guess, for a > camera that's set up with an IR filter that's switchable, on/off. Anything > like that on the market? Yes-but only camcorders.All sony camcorders have a night vision mode, that allows them to shoot in total darkness.They have a switch that removes the IR filter, and turns on some special IR leds. HTH, -- Tzortzakakis Dimitrios major in electrical engineering mechanized infantry reservist hordad AT otenet DOT gr > --I'm using a Canon S1-1S at the moment but I'm planning to upgrade > soon. What I'm looking for is a camera with a viewfinder that can "see" (in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > www.nmpproducts.com > ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- There are few things in photography that someone else hasn't already done. What are you trying to do. There might be alternative solutions out there. >There are few things in photography that someone else hasn't already >done. What are you trying to do. There might be alternative >solutions out there. --The problem is *finding* what I'm trying to snap so that it's well centered when I push the button. The other goal is to get decent "light" when light is poor so that I can video things like fire spinning, vehicles with poorly illuminated effects (EL wire) at Burning Man. Signature"Steamboat Ed" Haas : The impeachment process Hacking the Trailing Edge! : exists for a reason... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- >>There are few things in photography that someone else hasn't already >>done. What are you trying to do. There might be alternative >>solutions out there. > --The problem is *finding* what I'm trying to snap so that it's well > centered when I push the button. The other goal is to get decent "light" > when light is poor so that I can video things like fire spinning, vehicles > with poorly illuminated effects (EL wire) at Burning Man. The discontinued Sony 707/717 had a neat feature for framing in the dark. You could select IR framing (preferably using a more powerful IR external light source than the one built into the camera - but the f2 maximum lens aperture also helped), and the image was visible without spoiling or alerting subjects until the picture was made. With the press of the shutter release the image type reverted to standard color and the flash went off (or not, if that was preferable). SignatureDavid Ruether d_ruether@hotmail.com www.donferrario.com/ruether --Yeah and IR light source would be kewl. I see there are plans to build one over at Make (or is it Instructables) and I'll probably build one for attachment to a newer camera that doesn't offer one. The thing that scares me is removing the IR filter from a new camera without destroying it. If only I could talk Canon into making a camera with a switch; I love their cameras! :-) Signature"Steamboat Ed" Haas : The impeachment process Hacking the Trailing Edge! : exists for a reason... www.nmpproducts.com ---Decks a-wash in a sea of words--- |
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