I want to try high dynamic range
photography. The tutorials on the
Web talk about using the bracketing
feature of SLRs. Is this the same
thing as "white balance" bracketing
I see in the spec of, say, an Olympus?
If so, how fast is the sequence? That
is, what's the elapsed time between
the first and last frames?
I'll be shooting trees, and if I'm
going to merge two or more images,
I'm concerned about motion of the
branches caused by wind.
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Pete D - 16 May 2007 13:04 GMT
>I want to try high dynamic range
> photography. The tutorials on the
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> http://cpacker.org/whatnews
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Don't shoot when windy!
babalooixnay@hotmail.com - 16 May 2007 13:06 GMT
On May 16, 7:39 am, mail...@cpacker.org wrote:
> I want to try high dynamic range
> photography. The tutorials on the
> Web talk about using the bracketing
> feature of SLRs. Is this the same
> thing as "white balance" bracketing
> I see in the spec of, say, an Olympus?
No, you want to use shutter speed bracketing so that you get different
exposures at the same f stop. Some auto-bracketing may not give you
any real advantage eg. +1,0-1. You really want something like +3,0,-3
to use the full functionality of HDR. You can bracket yourself using
shutter speed but be cautious about camera movement when changing the
shutter speed. (that is why an auto bracketing feature is helpful, to
avoid touching the camera during the changes.) Wind movement will
always be a problem. There is an attempt to auto align function in
HDR which will help but branch movement will give the smaller, movable
branches a soft or ghostly look. You will want a tripod.
Rutger - 16 May 2007 13:37 GMT
>I want to try high dynamic range
> photography. The tutorials on the
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> I'm concerned about motion of the
> branches caused by wind.
No it's not the same.
Bracketing for hdr schould inflict the exposure time or diafragma.
The speed depends of the camera.
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ray - 16 May 2007 15:38 GMT
On Wed, 16 May 2007 04:39:29 -0700, mailbox wrote:
> I want to try high dynamic range
> photography. The tutorials on the
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> I'm concerned about motion of the
> branches caused by wind.
I have also seen articles about doing HDR from one RAW image - can't say
how well it works. What you want, I think, is exposure bracketing.
petamass - 16 May 2007 15:46 GMT
On May 16, 7:39 am, mail...@cpacker.org wrote:
> I want to try high dynamic range
> photography. The tutorials on the
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> Charles Packerhttp://cpacker.org/whatnews
> mailboxATcpacker.org
Yeah, I was reading about this on the web recently too. It is not
limited to SLRs only. Most digital camera offer that "bracketing"
functions (pictures with different exposure, not whitebalance). Using
a tripod is recommended. As far as I know, the software that you use
to merge the photos would compensate for the blur. Some of them clam
to remove "ghost" images too (e.g. the person walking between frames).
Good luck and have fun.
Eatmorepies - 16 May 2007 20:17 GMT
>I want to try high dynamic range
> photography. The tutorials on the
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> I'm concerned about motion of the
> branches caused by wind.
In Photoshop CS2 the use of up to 7 images is suggested. My 30D will only
offer 3 exposures in autobracket mode (at +/- 2 stops max). I've tried HDR
from 3 exposures but without a lot of success. I also tried the method
suggested on some web site or other.
Use a tripod and release cable.
Use RAW.
Meter on shutter priority.
Switch to manual exposure.
Move shutter speed to 3 stops down and shoot.
Take a shot every stop up to 3 stops over.
This didn't seem to do the trick either - it was better than one auto
exposure shot but not the panacea I was led to believe it would be. I am
going back to the drawing board and will poke about on the net and
experiment during next autumn. Or I might buy one of those new Canons that
have an extra stop or so in exposure latitude and the ability to preserve
highlights when exposing for the shadows - sounds like witchcraft to me.
The trees will move about a lot even during auto bracketing. It takes about
0.7 of a second for my 30D to take 3 pictures in that mode.
John
nobody@noplace.org - 16 May 2007 21:42 GMT
>>I want to try high dynamic range
>> photography. The tutorials on the
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>John
Use a Canon A610-640, A710, or S3 IS with the new CHDK firmware add-on for it:
http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
Use any of the simple bracketing scripts available for CHDK then you can set as
many exposure bracket steps as you want for as many exposures as you want in JPG
and/or RAW. Set your exposure brackets by shutter-speed, aperture, or
flash-output.
Use this free utility to auto-align and crop all your images:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/hdr/discuss/72157594229411664/
(also handy for making animated GIFs from a sequence of still-frames)
Then use the "Connect Images" option in PhotoLine-32 from www.pl32.com
You can also use the RAW images as PL32's HDR "Connect Images" works in 16-bit
mode.
Better HDR images than any other cameras and software on the market.
If you get creative with this, then by using Helicon Focus you can also include
focus-bracketing steps (using CHDK scripts) for each exposure bracketing step to
get unparalleled depth of field in your HDR images too, resulting in ultra DOF
HDR macro-photography. For most of the CHDK enabled cameras you merely have to
turn on its own focus bracketing mode while running an exposure bracketing
script. Or vice-versa, run a focus-bracketing script while using the camera's
built-in exposure bracketing. But for ultimate control and bracketing steps
write a short script that does both, focus and exposure brackets, for you.
mailbox@cpacker.org - 17 May 2007 12:36 GMT
> In Photoshop CS2 the use of up to 7 images is suggested. My 30D will only
> offer 3 exposures in autobracket mode (at +/- 2 stops max). I've tried HDR
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> The trees will move about a lot even during auto bracketing. It takes about
> 0.7 of a second for my 30D to take 3 pictures in that mode.
Since I'm interested only in retaining shadow
detail in daylight shots, maybe I could
get by with only two different exposures
and a post-processing algorithm of my
own design, as opposed to
using off-the-shelf HDR software that
might need a wider range of exposures.
In this case a viable alternative to
using a bracketed sequence might
be to mount two identical (cheaper then SLR)
cameras on the same tripod. In my project
my subject trees are always far enough away
so parallax would not to be a problem. Then
I could two-handedly snap both shutters
simultaneously and get the exposures a
lot closer together than .7 second,
I bet.
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=(8) - 17 May 2007 20:24 GMT
Actually I would forget about the bracketing feature. Few cameras do more
than 3 brackets. Some dSLR's do 5 (Pentax K10D being one). However, even
with 5 it is nice to have more images. What I suggest you do is use the
exposure compensation function on your camera. On my K10D I can set it for
1/3 steps. So I start at the darkest end of the exposure compensation take a
picture, then move up one step to the next one I do this until I have made
my way through to the brightest image using expsoure compensation. I get 12
shots this way and it works quite well.
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nobody@noplace.org - 18 May 2007 19:56 GMT
>Actually I would forget about the bracketing feature. Few cameras do more
>than 3 brackets. Some dSLR's do 5 (Pentax K10D being one). However, even
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>=(8)
My Canon S3 IS+CHDK can do a continuous sequence of 48 exposure bracket steps in
1/3rd stops (in RAW too if I choose). Using a simple CHDK script I can make it
take 1 frame for every shutter speed from 15 seconds to 1/3200th second. Add in
the range of available f/stop changes at the slow end and it comes to 57,
1/3-stop bracket steps. It's nice to know that any Canon CHDK equipped P&S
camera can do more than any DSLR out there.
=(8) - 17 May 2007 20:26 GMT
Oh, you will want to do this on a tripod or if you have Photoshop CS3 you
can load all of the images in to a multi-layered document and then use the
Align-Layers function. It will make the image aligns. Though I find it
faster to use a tripod.
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