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computer for new mega-pixel images ?
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stuseven - 28 Jan 2007 20:50 GMT + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the line, or brand new, but still fast. The problem Im having is with simple editing of digital images, and these are from a 2 megapixel camera. It just seems to take a very long time to open one full resolution image... 10-20 seconds maybe. Granted, I seldom use the entire image, but even cropped down, these higher res images take time... now my question. With the newer 6 and 8 and higher megapixel cameras, I could forsee an opening time of a minute or more. S-oooooo... while this kind of delay is fine for one image, it would clearly be unacceptable for a production environ; and, if we're shooting a dozen, or a hundred images in a day, and trying to process these, downright impossible. What kind of computer would be better than a home PC for this ? Does anyone make equipment especially applicable to large scale processing of megapixel images ?
Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way to speed up processing.
Mike Russell - 28 Jan 2007 21:06 GMT >+ I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. 1GHz is not that slow. Start by loading your current computer to the gills with memory. Get 2 Gigabytes if your system will take it. A 7200 rpm drive will also speed things up noticeably, but that's a bit more of a bother to install. By now, memory prices will be very low for your system. At that point, you can decide whether you need to upgrade.
Have a vacuum cleaner handy when you open up the case. There are many reputable places for purchasing memory on the web. www.satech.com is where I usually get mine - they are fast and friendly and cheap.
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Prometheus - 28 Jan 2007 21:11 GMT >+ I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the >line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way >to speed up processing. A 1GHz 'home' PC should be fine, provided you have enough memory. With Microsoft Windows XP I found 1GB restrictive, with 2GB my images open quickly, How much memory do you have, and what operating system?
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Malcolm Smith - 28 Jan 2007 21:21 GMT I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) so I suspect the problem may be amount of RAM available. 20 seconds for a two mp file seems very long (2MP jpegs should open almost instantaneously). There are a number of articles written on optimising photoshop (virtual memory available to photoshop, etc) and you may be able to find them via google - I read one to set up my machine in a book on photoshop. I have recently read that the watermark software is a killer with loading time so disabling it speeds things up (go to the photoshop program files and rename the watermark directory so photoshop can't find it I think)..
best of luck Malcolm
>+ I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. Malcolm Smith - 28 Jan 2007 21:43 GMT Go to Program files>adobe>cs2>plugins and the watermark folder is digimark - if renaming it doesn't help just change the name back.
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>I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) so I >suspect the problem may be amount of RAM available. 20 seconds for a two [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way >> to speed up processing. Prometheus - 28 Jan 2007 21:43 GMT >>+ I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the >> line, or brand new, but still fast. > >I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) so I >suspect the problem may be amount of RAM available. ?
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C J Campbell - 30 Jan 2007 19:59 GMT > I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) Not at only 1 Ghz. The Core 2 Duo machines start at more than twice that.
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Malcolm Smith - 31 Jan 2007 09:03 GMT You are right of course that at 1Ghz it can't be a core 2 duo (although I think there is a mobile processor at around 1.6Ghz). I assumed core 2 duo as he said it was brand new - I helped my daughter buy a new laptop about four months ago in Canberra Australia and nearly all PC machines were core 2 duo's!.
Unfortunately the original poster did not give any useful details of his system or even the program he is using to open his 2Mb presumably jpeg images.
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>> I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) > > Not at only 1 Ghz. The Core 2 Duo machines start at more than twice that. Prometheus - 31 Jan 2007 19:43 GMT >You are right of course that at 1Ghz it can't be a core 2 duo (although I >think there is a mobile processor at around 1.6Ghz). I assumed core 2 duo >as he said it was brand new He said "not top of the line, or brand new".
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stuseven - 28 Jan 2007 21:45 GMT + OK - most of these replies are suggesting adding memory... something I hadnt even considered with the newer unit... sounds great, and thanks to all for the advice.
> + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. Scott Schuckert - 28 Jan 2007 22:14 GMT > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. Just a wild thought - you ARE copying the image to the computers hard drive before trying to open it, aren't you?
What you describe sounds more like an I/O bottleneck than insufficient processing power.
Or it could be a lousy program, or a poorly configured good one. Everyone is assuming Photoshop, but you didn't state that...
More RAM is always a good thing (especially for Photoshop).
Mark² - 28 Jan 2007 22:48 GMT >> Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way >> to speed up processing. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > More RAM is always a good thing (especially for Photoshop). Hee hee... I ran into that with someone at work... They were complaining about speed, and it turned out they were working with an image that was still (and only) on their CF card!! :)
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Maurice Hood - 29 Jan 2007 09:28 GMT > >> Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > >> to speed up processing. Slightly off subject. Is there a water mark feature in elements 4? If so how do I turn it of? Maurice
Mike Russell - 29 Jan 2007 10:39 GMT [re digimark support in Elements]
> Slightly off subject. Is there a water mark feature in elements 4? > If so how do I turn it of? Yes, it's included. To turn it off, find the digimark filter in the filters folder and either delete it, or rename it to put a ~ in front of the filename.
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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 09:08 GMT >> Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way >> to speed up processing. > > Just a wild thought - you ARE copying the image to the computers hard > drive before trying to open it, aren't you? That's the first thing I thought of too. If files are on a memory card, opening them is fairly quick if the card is in an external card reader. If the card is in my HP's built-in card reader (this is a new, powerful computer, BTW, with 2GB of memory) it can take more than 20 seconds to open the file. If the card is still in the camera, (ugh) does it have a USB 2.0 High Speed port?
Ron Hunter - 28 Jan 2007 23:35 GMT > + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. While a 1ghz machine is quite slow by today's standards, I suspect it is rather more likely that you don't have enough ram for what you are trying to do, rather than the processor speed. You didn't mention the amount of ram. If you have less than 512meg, then you might consider increasing it.
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 29 Jan 2007 00:26 GMT >+ I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the >line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way >to speed up processing. So you are running W2k. Now how much ram do you have? how have you set up Virtual memory? What program are you using to edit and how have you set it up, specifically in regard to memory usage and undo's (space and memory allocation)?
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Bucky - 29 Jan 2007 08:08 GMT > + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. > The problem Im having is with simple editing of digital > images, and these are from a 2 megapixel camera. It just > seems to take a very long time to open one full resolution > image... 10-20 seconds maybe. yeah, that definitely doesn't sound right. A 1 GHz processor should have no problem with 2mp image. Can you give some more details?
what exactly is the processor? amount of memory/ram? hard disk size and available space? operating system? which program are you opening files with?
Roy G - 29 Jan 2007 17:30 GMT >+ I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. Hi
I am rather surprised that no-one has suggested your computer can not really be described as fast, when it's processor is only 1000Mhz. 3 Years / Computers ago I was using one with a 1200mhz Processor.
Having said that, a 2Mp camera producing a 6Mb file is a rather small image, and should open almost instantly.
Machines are available almost every where with Processors at 3000Mhz to 3500Mhz and with fast Hdds. For large image files the more RAM, and the faster the RAM the better.
Lots of people work with files around 60Mb, and quite a few use much larger files, and they use readily available "Off the Shelf" machines, but may well add RAM to bring the total up to 3 or 4 GB.
Any Computer Store will have a range of modern Fast machines available.
Roy G
Robert Barr - 29 Jan 2007 19:05 GMT Assuming you're talking about opening files from a hard drive, and you don't mean waiting for PS to open... just using a program like IRFanView or ACDSee, your files should open instantly. You should be able to zip through a hundred JPEG's of that size as fast as you can glimpse them on the screen.
It's not a matter of too little memory if it's taking 10-20 seconds. That's a couple of hundred times too long. I'd suspect something wrong at the OS level. I'd check for viruses & malware, and if that didn't work, I'd reload the OS.
> + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. > The problem Im having is with simple editing of digital > images, and these are from a 2 megapixel camera. It just > seems to take a very long time to open one full resolution > image... 10-20 seconds maybe. ray - 29 Jan 2007 19:39 GMT > + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way > to speed up processing. I've been a computer scientist and mathematician for over 30 years. I spent 30 years working for DOD doing scientific software support and development.
I think there are a several factors to be considered in this case. One is the operating system. If you use MS and it has been installed for over six months, then your computer will not run as well as it did. Defragmenting the hard disk would help. Reinstalling the OS would probably help more. Installing Linux instead of MS would help even more. If you don't have sufficient system RAM then there will be a definite problem. How much is adequate depends very much on what your OS is and what you have running. More may help. Your disk drive may not be very fast. It is a fact that your computer is not overly fast. If it's a 1ghz VIA C3, that is not very fast at all. If it's a 1ghz Intel, that's not going to run as fast as an AMD processor running at 1ghz.
Basically, you not given us enough detailed information about your system to diagnose the problem. My hypothesis is that you might very well have a system with 1ghz VIA C3 and about 128mb RAM. In that case, updating to about a 2.4ghz AMD or Intel CPU with 512MB or more would probably make a huge difference.
stuseven - 29 Jan 2007 22:58 GMT + Thanks Ray, for your answer... and thanks as well to Robert, Roy, Bucky, Ed, Ron, Scott, Prometheus, and Mike :-) This question got a lot of good replies... but... this will surprise a few of you maybe... after running a few mem checks, and doing a reboot, I was getting very fast image loading... my best guess at the problem would be loaded buffers or similar. Some of the replies suggested background processes, and, with a fresh boot, there were none, so that might have fixed it.
To me, the 1ghz was a major upgrade from my older system, and, while I doubt there will be enough money around, I will definitely look at adding RAM... maybe even a faster chip.
Thanks once again for all replies.
> > + I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the > > line, or brand new, but still fast. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > about a 2.4ghz AMD or Intel CPU with 512MB or more would probably make a > huge difference.- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Scott Schuckert - 30 Jan 2007 16:13 GMT > + Thanks Ray, for your answer... and thanks as well to > Robert, Roy, Bucky, Ed, Ron, Scott, Prometheus, and Mike :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Some of the replies suggested background processes, and, > with a fresh boot, there were none, so that might have fixed it. He He. A friend of mine fairly frequently calls and says her computer is running slow or doing weird things. It usually turns out she's been running continuously for days, weeks, or even months. (She doesn't like to close her email program, as she usually has about a dozen unfinished email replies open).
A simple reboot fixes her up 99% of the time. I wonder why she keeps calling...?
ASAAR - 30 Jan 2007 20:25 GMT > He He. A friend of mine fairly frequently calls and says her computer > is running slow or doing weird things. It usually turns out she's been [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A simple reboot fixes her up 99% of the time. I wonder why she keeps > calling...? Maybe an occasional self-reboot (vacation) would help clear her mind and realize that computers also sometimes need to take a break?
:) John Turco - 31 Jan 2007 04:03 GMT > + Thanks Ray, for your answer... and thanks as well to > Robert, Roy, Bucky, Ed, Ron, Scott, Prometheus, and Mike :-) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Thanks once again for all replies. <cut previous messages, for brevity>
Hello, Stu:
Yes, indeed, RAM would be your wisest investment. Even with my two primary systems' relatively puny, Pentium III processors (1050MHz and 600MHz, respectively), it takes nowhere near "10-20 seconds" to open images, taken by my Kodak P850 (5 megapixel digicam).
That's what 1GB of memory will do for a PC, you see. ;-)
Good luck!
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
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