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computer for new mega-pixel images ?

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stuseven - 28 Jan 2007 20:50 GMT
+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
line, or brand new, but still fast.
    The problem Im having is with simple editing of digital
images, and these are from a 2 megapixel camera.  It just
seems to take a very long time to open one full resolution
image... 10-20 seconds maybe.  Granted, I seldom use
the entire image, but even cropped down, these higher
res images take time... now my question.  With the
newer 6 and 8 and higher megapixel cameras, I could
forsee an opening time of a minute or more.
    S-oooooo... while this kind of delay is fine for one image,
it would clearly be unacceptable for a production environ;
and, if we're shooting a dozen, or a hundred images in a day,
and trying to process these, downright impossible.
    What kind of computer would be better than a home PC
for this ?  Does anyone make equipment especially applicable
to large scale processing of megapixel images ?

    Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
to speed up processing.
Mike Russell - 28 Jan 2007 21:06 GMT
>+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
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>     Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.

1GHz is not that slow.  Start by loading your current computer to the gills
with memory.  Get 2 Gigabytes if your system will take it.  A 7200 rpm drive
will also speed things up noticeably, but that's a bit more of a bother to
install.  By now, memory prices will be very low for your system.  At that
point, you can decide whether you need to upgrade.

Have a vacuum cleaner handy when you open up the case.  There are many
reputable places for purchasing memory on the web.  www.satech.com is where
I usually get mine - they are fast and friendly and cheap.
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Prometheus - 28 Jan 2007 21:11 GMT
>+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
>line, or brand new, but still fast.
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>     Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
>to speed up processing.

A 1GHz 'home' PC should be fine, provided you have enough memory. With
Microsoft Windows XP I found 1GB restrictive, with 2GB my images open
quickly, How much memory do you have, and what operating system?

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Malcolm Smith - 28 Jan 2007 21:21 GMT
I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) so I
suspect the problem may be amount of RAM available.  20 seconds for a two mp
file seems very long (2MP jpegs should open almost instantaneously).  There
are a number of articles written on optimising photoshop (virtual memory
available to photoshop, etc) and you may be able to find them via google - I
read one to set up my machine in a book on photoshop.  I have recently read
that the watermark software is a killer with loading time so disabling it
speeds things up (go to the photoshop program files and rename the watermark
directory so photoshop can't find it I think)..

best of luck
Malcolm

>+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
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>     Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.
Malcolm Smith - 28 Jan 2007 21:43 GMT
Go to Program files>adobe>cs2>plugins and the watermark folder is digimark -
if renaming it doesn't help just change the name back.

Malcolm
>I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) so I
>suspect the problem may be amount of RAM available.  20 seconds for a two
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>>     Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
>> to speed up processing.
Prometheus - 28 Jan 2007 21:43 GMT
>>+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
>> line, or brand new, but still fast.
>
>I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?) so I
>suspect the problem may be amount of RAM available.

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C J Campbell - 30 Jan 2007 19:59 GMT
> I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?)

Not at only 1 Ghz. The Core 2 Duo machines start at more than twice that.

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Malcolm Smith - 31 Jan 2007 09:03 GMT
You are right of course that at 1Ghz it can't be a core 2 duo (although I
think there is a mobile processor at around 1.6Ghz).  I assumed core 2 duo
as he said it was brand new - I helped my daughter buy a new laptop about
four months ago in Canberra Australia and nearly all PC machines were core 2
duo's!.

Unfortunately the original poster did not give any useful details of his
system or even the program he is using to open his 2Mb presumably jpeg
images.

regards
       Malcolm Smith

>> I presume the computer is one of the new 64bit machines (Core 2 duo?)
>
> Not at only 1 Ghz. The Core 2 Duo machines start at more than twice that.
Prometheus - 31 Jan 2007 19:43 GMT
>You are right of course that at 1Ghz it can't be a core 2 duo (although I
>think there is a mobile processor at around 1.6Ghz).  I assumed core 2 duo
>as he said it was brand new

He said "not top of the line, or brand new".

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stuseven - 28 Jan 2007 21:45 GMT
+    OK - most of these replies are suggesting adding memory...
something I hadnt even considered with the newer unit... sounds
great, and thanks to all for the advice.

> +     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
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>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.
Scott Schuckert - 28 Jan 2007 22:14 GMT
>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.

Just a wild thought - you ARE copying the image to the computers hard
drive before trying to open it, aren't you?

What you describe sounds more like an I/O bottleneck than insufficient
processing power.

Or it could be a lousy program, or a poorly configured good one.
Everyone is assuming Photoshop, but you didn't state that...

More RAM is always a good thing (especially for Photoshop).
Mark² - 28 Jan 2007 22:48 GMT
>>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
>> to speed up processing.
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>
> More RAM is always a good thing (especially for Photoshop).

Hee hee...
I ran into that with someone at work...  They were complaining about speed,
and it turned out they were working with an image that was still (and only)
on their CF card!!  :)

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Maurice Hood - 29 Jan 2007 09:28 GMT
> >>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> >> to speed up processing.

Slightly off subject. Is there a water mark feature in elements 4?
If so how do I turn it of?
Maurice
Mike Russell - 29 Jan 2007 10:39 GMT
[re digimark support in Elements]

> Slightly off subject. Is there a water mark feature in elements 4?
> If so how do I turn it of?

Yes, it's included.  To turn it off, find the digimark filter in the filters
folder and either delete it, or rename it to put a ~ in front of the
filename.
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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 09:08 GMT
>>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
>> to speed up processing.
>
> Just a wild thought - you ARE copying the image to the computers hard
> drive before trying to open it, aren't you?

 That's the first thing I thought of too.  If files are on a memory
card, opening them is fairly quick if the card is in an external
card reader.  If the card is in my HP's built-in card reader (this
is a new, powerful computer, BTW, with 2GB of memory) it can take
more than 20 seconds to open the file.  If the card is still in the
camera, (ugh) does it have a USB 2.0 High Speed port?
Ron Hunter - 28 Jan 2007 23:35 GMT
> +     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
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>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.

While a 1ghz machine is quite slow by today's standards, I suspect it is
rather more likely that you don't have enough ram for what you are
trying to do, rather than the processor speed.  You didn't mention the
amount of ram.  If you have less than 512meg, then you might consider
increasing it.
Ed Ruf  (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 29 Jan 2007 00:26 GMT
>+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
>line, or brand new, but still fast.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>     Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
>to speed up processing.

So you are running W2k. Now how much ram do you have? how have you set up
Virtual memory? What program are you using to edit and how have you set it
up, specifically in regard to memory usage and undo's (space and memory
allocation)?
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Bucky - 29 Jan 2007 08:08 GMT
> +     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
>      The problem Im having is with simple editing of digital
> images, and these are from a 2 megapixel camera.  It just
> seems to take a very long time to open one full resolution
> image... 10-20 seconds maybe.

yeah, that definitely doesn't sound right. A 1 GHz processor should
have no problem with  2mp image. Can you give some more details?

what exactly is the processor?
amount of memory/ram?
hard disk size and available space?
operating system?
which program are you opening files with?
Roy G - 29 Jan 2007 17:30 GMT
>+     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>     Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.

Hi

I am rather surprised that no-one has suggested your computer can not really
be described as fast, when it's processor is only 1000Mhz.  3 Years /
Computers ago I was using one with a 1200mhz Processor.

Having said that, a 2Mp camera producing a 6Mb file is a rather small image,
and should open almost instantly.

Machines are available almost every where with Processors at 3000Mhz to
3500Mhz and with fast Hdds.
For large image files the more RAM, and the faster the RAM the better.

Lots of people work with files around 60Mb, and quite a few use much larger
files, and they use readily available "Off the Shelf" machines, but may well
add RAM to bring the total up to 3 or 4 GB.

Any Computer Store will have a range of modern Fast machines available.

Roy G
Robert Barr - 29 Jan 2007 19:05 GMT
Assuming you're talking about opening files from a hard drive, and you
don't mean waiting for PS to open... just using a program like IRFanView
or ACDSee, your files should open instantly.  You should be able to zip
through a hundred JPEG's of that size as fast as you can glimpse them on
the screen.

It's not a matter of too little memory if it's taking 10-20 seconds.
That's a couple of hundred times too long.  I'd suspect something wrong
at the OS level.  I'd check for viruses & malware, and if that didn't
work, I'd reload the OS.

> +     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
>      The problem Im having is with simple editing of digital
> images, and these are from a 2 megapixel camera.  It just
> seems to take a very long time to open one full resolution
> image... 10-20 seconds maybe.
ray - 29 Jan 2007 19:39 GMT
> +     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> line, or brand new, but still fast.
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>      Other than using lower res images, I cant figure a way
> to speed up processing.

I've been a computer scientist and mathematician for over 30 years. I
spent 30 years working for DOD doing scientific software support and
development.

I think there are a several factors to be considered in this case. One is
the operating system. If you use MS and it has been installed for over six
months, then your computer will not run as well as it did. Defragmenting
the hard disk would help. Reinstalling the OS would probably help more.
Installing Linux instead of MS would help even more. If you don't have
sufficient system RAM then there will be a definite problem. How much is
adequate depends very much on what your OS is and what you have running.
More may help. Your disk drive may not be very fast. It is a fact that
your computer is not overly fast. If it's a 1ghz VIA C3, that is not very
fast at all. If it's a 1ghz Intel, that's not going to run as fast as an
AMD processor running at 1ghz.

Basically, you not given us enough detailed information about your system
to diagnose the problem. My hypothesis is that you might very well have a
system with 1ghz VIA C3 and about 128mb RAM. In that case, updating to
about a 2.4ghz AMD or Intel CPU with 512MB or more would probably make a
huge difference.
stuseven - 29 Jan 2007 22:58 GMT
+    Thanks Ray, for your answer... and thanks as well to
Robert, Roy, Bucky, Ed, Ron, Scott, Prometheus, and Mike  :-)
This question got a lot of good replies... but... this will surprise
a few of you maybe... after running a few mem checks, and
doing a reboot, I was getting very fast image loading... my
best guess at the problem would be loaded buffers or similar.
Some of the replies suggested background processes, and,
with a fresh boot, there were none, so that might have fixed it.

    To me, the 1ghz was a major upgrade from my older system,
and, while I doubt there will be enough money around, I will
definitely look at adding RAM... maybe even a faster chip.

    Thanks once again for all replies.

> > +     I use a fairly "fast" computer... 1ghz+... not top of the
> > line, or brand new, but still fast.
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> about a 2.4ghz AMD or Intel CPU with 512MB or more would probably make a
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Scott Schuckert - 30 Jan 2007 16:13 GMT
> +    Thanks Ray, for your answer... and thanks as well to
> Robert, Roy, Bucky, Ed, Ron, Scott, Prometheus, and Mike  :-)
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> Some of the replies suggested background processes, and,
> with a fresh boot, there were none, so that might have fixed it.

He He. A friend of mine fairly frequently calls and says her computer
is running slow or doing weird things. It usually turns out she's been
running continuously for days, weeks, or even months. (She doesn't like
to close her email program, as she usually has about a dozen unfinished
email replies open).

A simple reboot fixes her up 99% of the time. I wonder why she keeps
calling...?
ASAAR - 30 Jan 2007 20:25 GMT
> He He. A friend of mine fairly frequently calls and says her computer
> is running slow or doing weird things. It usually turns out she's been
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> A simple reboot fixes her up 99% of the time. I wonder why she keeps
> calling...?

 Maybe an occasional self-reboot (vacation) would help clear her
mind and realize that computers also sometimes need to take a break?
:)
John Turco - 31 Jan 2007 04:03 GMT
> +    Thanks Ray, for your answer... and thanks as well to
> Robert, Roy, Bucky, Ed, Ron, Scott, Prometheus, and Mike  :-)
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>
>      Thanks once again for all replies.

<cut previous messages, for brevity>

Hello, Stu:

Yes, indeed, RAM would be your wisest investment. Even with my two
primary systems' relatively puny, Pentium III processors (1050MHz and
600MHz, respectively), it takes nowhere near "10-20 seconds" to open
images, taken by my Kodak P850 (5 megapixel digicam).

That's what 1GB of memory will do for a PC, you see. ;-)

Good luck!

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
 
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