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What the Hell is MIS Persecution Junk
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Dave Cohen - 25 Jan 2007 21:59 GMT These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. Dave Cohen
Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 25 Jan 2007 22:06 GMT >These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, >does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. >Dave Cohen Learn to use a kill filter and ignore/delete them automatically. If you notice this message is cross posted across many alt. groups besides this one.
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C J Campbell - 25 Jan 2007 22:16 GMT > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. > Dave Cohen Just some crazy guy, proving yet again that anyone has access to the Internet. Either filter him out or learn to ignore them.
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nospam@sbcglobal.net - 25 Jan 2007 22:40 GMT > > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, > > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. > > Dave Cohen > > Just some crazy guy, proving yet again that anyone has access to the > Internet. Either filter him out or learn to ignore them. An especially clueless guy, considering 90% of the world's usenet servers no longer support cancels.
ASAAR - 25 Jan 2007 22:53 GMT > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. I haven't seen any of them yet, so it may be that some news servers are doing something right. There's almost nothing that you can do that will make much of a difference other than doing your own filtering or signing up with a more proactive news server. Is the "MIS Persecution" part of the article's Subject, or is it contained in the article's body? If the latter, I guess that I've tuned out those messages that don't appear to be authentic. I download all message headers automatically. Message bodies then follow only if the headers pass the eyeball test or if they're part of an existing thread that has been marked for automatic downloading.
Roy G - 26 Jan 2007 00:06 GMT Hi.
It is not MIS, it is MI5 one of the British Security Agencies.
The loony needs to be identified and locked up in a nuthouse, rather than be getting not-treated in the Community.
Roy G
Bill Funk - 26 Jan 2007 17:06 GMT >Hi. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Roy G Read a few, and realize that the guy has been identified, he's been in court several times, and he seems to be harmless, so treatment won't be forced.
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John Turco - 27 Jan 2007 05:01 GMT > > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, > > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. > > I haven't seen any of them yet, so it may be that some news > servers are doing something right. <edited, for brevity>
Hello, ASAAR:
Well, those "M15" garbage posts appear on my news server (Concentric) and on Google Groups <http://groups.google.com>, too.
I've also seen them in the handful of NFL football newsgroups that I've been perusing, these past few weeks. Furthermore, they've even penetrated <news:nebr.sports.unl>, which is a moderated NG!
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
ASAAR - 27 Jan 2007 05:27 GMT > Well, those "M15" garbage posts appear on my news server (Concentric) > and on Google Groups <http://groups.google.com>, too. > > I've also seen them in the handful of NFL football newsgroups that > I've been perusing, these past few weeks. Furthermore, they've even > penetrated <news:nebr.sports.unl>, which is a moderated NG! I saw my first bunch of them earlier today in another newsgroup but they all were from one nitwit that decided post about a half dozen replies. Nothing since then. Hmm. You've been pretty inactive in rpd today. Where were you and what were you doing between 7:00pm and 10:00pm GMT and can you back that up with witnesses?
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John Turco - 29 Jan 2007 02:23 GMT > > Well, those "M15" garbage posts appear on my news server (Concentric) > > and on Google Groups <http://groups.google.com>, too. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > :) Hello, ASAAR:
I plead innocent! <g> As I'd mentioned in another public reply, to you:
"I always compose (and proofread) my e-mail and Usenet messages, very carefuly, offline. Take your time, what's the rush?"
Okay, I'm not >that< slow in writing my posts -- but, just >reading< an extremely active newsgroup, such as news:rec.photo.digital, is rather occupying. ;-)
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 02:58 GMT > > rpd today. Where were you and what were you doing between 7:00pm > > and 10:00pm GMT and can you back that up with witnesses? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "I always compose (and proofread) my e-mail and Usenet messages, very > carefuly, offline. Take your time, what's the rush?" While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for several hours before posting would be permitted. It would never happen, but if it could, we'd probably have Bush the Elder's Kinder and Gentler Usenet. Too many would reject any idea like that, and the NRA would probably lobby against it. And if this message wasn't so rushed, it would probably join the digital circular file before you'd have a chance to see it. <g>
(PeteCresswell) - 29 Jan 2007 13:57 GMT Per ASAAR:
>While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for >usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for >several hours before posting would be permitted. A lady I used to work with said that every computer should have an "Oh sh.t!!" key: a big red key that, when pressed, recalled the last email message sent.
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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 17:25 GMT >> While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for >> usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for >> several hours before posting would be permitted. > > A lady I used to work with said that every computer should have an "Oh sh.t!!" > key: a big red key that, when pressed, recalled the last email message sent. <g> Unfortunately, once the <Send> key is pressed or the <Send> button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the operation can't be undone. Cancelling sent messages was fairly easy, though with networked BBSes, since messages were posted on a local BBS computer, and they often allowed users to delete their own messages. These BBS messages were typically propagated throughout the network once or twice daily, so depending on when a message was posted, one might have a window of a minute or many hours to delete the message. Local users of the same BBS could of course read any messages if they were quick enough.
Ken Lucke - 29 Jan 2007 18:11 GMT > >> While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for > >> usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the > operation can't be undone. Not precisely true in all cases. I use Eudora for email, and it can be set to either send mail right away, or put it into a queue to do it in batches whenever mail is checked for (mine is set to do the latter, every five minutes). Many is the time that I have been saved from seding a message with an error, or lacking additional information I would have liked to included, by this simple expedient of a[n up to] five minute delay.
> Cancelling sent messages was fairly > easy, though with networked BBSes, since messages were posted on a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the message. Local users of the same BBS could of course read any > messages if they were quick enough. You can still cancel your own usenet messages, too - but many news servers no longer recognize cancel messages, due to the extensive abuse of cancel messages by some factions a few years ago (done to achieve that very thing [getting servers to turn off accepting cancels], because they believed that third party spam cancelers were violating some sort of peceived "right" by the spammers to post as many messages as they wanted - that canceling tens of thousands of messages by a spammer constituted some sort of "censorship").
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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 20:18 GMT >> <g> Unfortunately, once the <Send> key is pressed or the <Send> >> button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > would have liked to included, by this simple expedient of a[n up to] > five minute delay. True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation. The relevant button in my old version of Eudora is labeled Queue, and hovering the mouse pointer over it pops up a "Send/Queue current messages" description. Unless I'm mistaken, the default configuration had the button configured to Queue rather than Send Messages Immediately. In that configuration Eudora didn't really have a <Send> button, since most Eudora users probably didn't know how to use the <Queue> button to Send without changing its mode in the Options menu. :) This was in version 5.x, so things may have changed significantly in the current version.
Sometime last year I received a message from Qualcomm trying to induce me into purchasing an upgrade, saying that it would be the last one before Eudora was changed to a "free" email program. Do you know if that has happened by now, and if it has, if the old "free mode" restrictions remain?
Ken Lucke - 29 Jan 2007 21:36 GMT > >> <g> Unfortunately, once the <Send> key is pressed or the <Send> > >> button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation. It's the equivalent button that someone clicks when they want to send an email. In effect, it DOES send the email, just not immediately. Semantics aside, it's the same thing in practice. Pressing the shutter button with self-timer mode engaged still activates the shutter, just not immediately, so is that not "taking a picture" just as using immediate mode is?
> The relevant > button in my old version of Eudora is labeled Queue, and hovering [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you know if that has happened by now, and if it has, if the old > "free mode" restrictions remain? The only "free mode" restrictions that I am aware of are that you get some advertising while the program is open - oh, and no "spam watch" Bayesian filtering. I paid the [one-time, very small] fee long ago and get no advertising. Other than that, I don't know of any "restrictions" - and Eudora's configurability and filter/mailbox/personality/action capabilities *far* exceed any other programs that I have ever seen/used (I own 9 domains and administer a half dozen more and have literally hundreds of functioning email addresses I get mail to - and even more that I don't want to get mail to - so filtering and being able to respond from any of dozens of email addreses is critical) ... I even re-tried Mail (the Apple app that comes with OS X) a month or so ago, and after three days switched right back to my verenable Eudora 6.2.
As of April 30th, they will no longer charge at all, the program going into Open Source. "The open source version of Eudora® is targeted to be released during the 2007 calendar year and will be free of charge. Until April 30, 2007, the current commercial versions are available for the reduced price of $19.95 with a six-month period of technical support. After April 30th, QUALCOMM will cease sales of Paid mode Eudora, while Sponsored mode will continue to be available in version 7.1 for Windows and 6.2.4 for Mac."
http://www.eudora.com/faq/
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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 23:04 GMT >> True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not immediately, so is that not "taking a picture" just as using > immediate mode is? Yes, it is also "taking a picture", just substituting a much longer delay (usually 2 or 10 seconds) for the much shorter normal delay. Can you tell that I use a P&S instead of a DSLR? :) But it's not at all the same kind of delay introduced by sending messages into Eudora's queue, since there's no countdown process which will eventually send the messages. Without the user issuing another command, the messages might sit in the queue for years before eventually being sent by Rip Van User.
> The only "free mode" restrictions that I am aware of are that you get > some advertising while the program is open - oh, and no "spam watch" > Bayesian filtering. I paid the [one-time, very small] fee long ago and > get no advertising. Other than that, I don't know of any > "restrictions" I also paid for Eudora, getting it for a good "sale" price in Staples many years ago. The only "restriction" it has isn't really even mildly annoying. Every once in a while I get a popup asking me something. It has been several years since I used Eudora so I don't recall the exact wording, but it might have asked me to consider upgrading or something. I spoke with Qualcomm about it and they promised to send me an email containing instructions that would disable the popups, but it either never arrived or if it did, it was treated as spam and deleted.
> As of April 30th, they will no longer charge at all, the program going > into Open Source. "The open source version of Eudora® is targeted to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Eudora, while Sponsored mode will continue to be available in version > 7.1 for Windows and 6.2.4 for Mac." Thanks. I may upgrade although my email needs are very slim. Authors of inexpensive quality software deserve monetary support, which may explain why instead of upgrading when new versions of DesqView were released (remember Manifest?), I usually just bought a new copy. At one time I had 4 or 5 DV manuals on the shelf. <g>
Ken Lucke - 30 Jan 2007 02:34 GMT > >> True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > another command, the messages might sit in the queue for years > before eventually being sent by Rip Van User. Uhm, wrong. There moist cedrtainly IS a countdown process. All you do is set the interval at which you wannt mail checked, and set the program to 'send mail on check', and every time your incoming mail is checked, your outgoing mail (if any) is sent. Therefore, I HAVE a countdown timer of 5 minutes (or less) that does so automatically.
> > The only "free mode" restrictions that I am aware of are that you get > > some advertising while the program is open - oh, and no "spam watch" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > disable the popups, but it either never arrived or if it did, it was > treated as spam and deleted. The popups should have been automatically disengaged when you entered a valid serial number.
> > As of April 30th, they will no longer charge at all, the program going > > into Open Source. "The open source version of Eudora® is targeted to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > DesqView were released (remember Manifest?), I usually just bought a > new copy. At one time I had 4 or 5 DV manuals on the shelf. <g> Eudora was originally written and designed by Univeristy of Illinois computer science students, IIRC, so there wasn't really that much need of monetary support. Qualcomm took it over a few years back when it had languished for a while without significant iprovements. I've had a few emails back and forth with a couple of the programmers over bug issues and improvement suggestions, and one of them (Nathan Tenny) wrote a document for me that is pretty much the standard "go to" explanation of how email works to which many are referred by many tech support and internet abuse departments - <http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html> - as for the rest of that site, after I got out of the spam-canceling business three years ago, I pretty much have just let it go, so don't expect much :^( Because there is already so much other duplicate information out there, about the only other part of the site that actually has much content on it is the MMF Myth Pages (<http://www.stopspam.org/usenet/mmf/>, debunking chain letters), and I never really finished the "complete overhaul" that I intended to do. I just don't have the heart to close the whole thing down, as I get hundreds of hits per day on the headers tutorial.
Now they (Qualcomm) are throwing it into Open Source, as I'm sure it's not much of an income stream for them, and they probably want to release it for others to contiue to improve without expending their own budget to do so.
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ASAAR - 30 Jan 2007 03:18 GMT > Uhm, wrong. There moist cedrtainly IS a countdown process. All you do > is set the interval at which you wannt mail checked, and set the > program to 'send mail on check', and every time your incoming mail is > checked, your outgoing mail (if any) is sent. Therefore, I HAVE a > countdown timer of 5 minutes (or less) that does so automatically. Not for me it isn't. I've *never* allowed mail to be sent when checking for new mail. That would also eliminate the possibility of canceling embarrassing emails if you forget and check to see if any new email is available. So you can change your mind about sending queued email, but only give yourself 5 minutes to come to your senses? <g>
> I also paid for Eudora, getting it for a good "sale" price in > Staples many years ago. The only "restriction" it has isn't really [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > disable the popups, but it either never arrived or if it did, it was > treated as spam and deleted.
> The popups should have been automatically disengaged when you > entered a valid serial number. It does have a valid serial number entered. There's no advertising, doesn't use sponsored mode, and for many years never popped anything up. But then one day it evidently decided that it was such an old version that I might want to do something about it, and once every couple of weeks it would remind me. Checking my password file just now shows that the version I bought was designated as a Pre-Registered version, and the registration code was provided on the CD envelope. I just started up the archived copy and think I see the problem. <Help> <About Eudora> shows this:
> Version 5.1R - Paid Mode > Not Registered In This Mode and I now recall that when I last tried to register it using Qualcomm's website, it wouldn't allow me to do so, since by then it was an old, unsupported version. I guess that Qualcomm designed Eudora so that even though it claimed to be pre-registered, it wouldn't be truly registered unless Qualcomm managed to get my serial number, name, phone number and email address on file. As I said before, somehow the patching information needed to register the program or disable the popups either never arrived or I fed it to the spam harvester. This was several years ago and since I stopped using Eudora, never followed up.
Ken Lucke - 30 Jan 2007 03:38 GMT > > Uhm, wrong. There moist cedrtainly IS a countdown process. All you do > > is set the interval at which you wannt mail checked, and set the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > queued email, but only give yourself 5 minutes to come to your > senses? <g> Personal preference. Original points (re: "queue" is equivalent to a send (albeit delayed) still in effect. :^)
> > I also paid for Eudora, getting it for a good "sale" price in > > Staples many years ago. The only "restriction" it has isn't really [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > the spam harvester. This was several years ago and since I stopped > using Eudora, never followed up. Ah. Perhaps in a couple of months when it's free, yo might try it again - it really does beat the pants off of any other email program I've used - and I've used a lot of them, Mac, Win, & Unix.
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John Turco - 31 Jan 2007 04:02 GMT > > > rpd today. Where were you and what were you doing between 7:00pm > > > and 10:00pm GMT and can you back that up with witnesses? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > wasn't so rushed, it would probably join the digital circular file > before you'd have a chance to see it. <g> Hello, ASAAR:
Truthfully, I sometimes do allow my posts to "stew" in Netscape Communicator 4.8's "Unsent Messages" box, for several days, before dispatching them.
Cordially, John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
ASAAR - 31 Jan 2007 05:20 GMT > Truthfully, I sometimes do allow my posts to "stew" in Netscape > Communicator 4.8's "Unsent Messages" box, for several days, before > dispatching them. I've noticed. And despite the frantic pace that's the internet's way, they've arrived none the worse for their brief stay locked up in solitary. Some of the ones that I store in the holding tank never again see the light of day. Not because I had a change of heart, but because . . . just because. :)
Dave - 26 Jan 2007 00:17 GMT In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of the population, but most are secretive enough to keep their thought disorder to themselves. It must be a hard life.
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Roy G - 26 Jan 2007 00:28 GMT > In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a > chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of > the population, but most are secretive enough to keep their thought > disorder to themselves. It must be a hard life. > > Dave Dave,
I have a young relative who is schizophrenick. It has ruined his life, but his medication allows him to lead an almost normal independant life.
When he stops taking the meds, as all of his co-sufferers do from time to time, he gets taken in and treated until he is back on the level again.
This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs locking up and treatment.
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Ockham's Razor - 26 Jan 2007 01:03 GMT > This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs > locking up and treatment. And, that is not what is allowed, legally. These people must be "main streamed" so they can live among the normal and the normal must find ways to live with them.
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C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 02:56 GMT >> This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs >> locking up and treatment. > > And, that is not what is allowed, legally. These people must be "main > streamed" so they can live among the normal and the normal must find > ways to live with them. Easy to say, unless he is trying to break into your house with a loaded gun because he believes he has orders to kill you. Or he is in your yard, hiding behind an imaginary couch, stark naked, and scaring your children by pretending to shoot at them.
Paranoid schizophrenics may be "locked up" (only we say "committed to involuntary treatment"), legally, if they pose a danger to themselves or others. Judges have to make this determination based on the testimony of psychiatrists, family members, law enforcement officers, and others. This is a mental illness, not an alternate lifestyle or alternate point of view. It can be very dangerous, often ending in death for the sufferer or others. It is extremely painful and embarrassing, and it interferes with your ability to hold a job, keep a place to live, or even feed and dress yourself. Even medical treatment for other diseases can be difficult. No one has a "right" to be mentally ill, since you cannot choose to be mentally ill. They do have a "right" to treatment, love, and respect as human beings.
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C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 16:46 GMT >> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a >> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs > locking up and treatment. This is Usenet. For all you know, he is locked up already.
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C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 02:47 GMT > In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a > chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of the > population, but most are secretive enough to keep their thought disorder to > themselves. It must be a hard life. I have known several people with paranoid schizophrenia. Most of them have difficulty keeping employment or even a place to live. At worst, they think that their medication is part of a plot to poison them, so they won't take it. Many of the homeless people you see living on the street are paranoid schizophrenics.
It is also humiliating. You remember the crazy stuff you said and did, and you know that family members and friends remember it, too. You get to the point where you can't even look people in the eye any more. Some sufferers are so embarrassed they cut off all ties with people they know -- leaving themselves completely without a support group.
And it can be very dangerous. Violent behavior is not uncommon -- and that is when they have to be locked up. One man I knew escaped from a mental hospital in Utah, stole a car in Salt Lake City, a gun in Idaho, then drove to the Seattle area where he tried to break into an apartment complex in order to kill all the Russians living there (there were, in fact, several Russian families living there, but they were not spies). Fortunately an alert police officer saw him breaking in and was able to convince the man that his mission had been changed and he needed to return to "headquarters" (the police station) for new orders. It would have been a little bit funny except for the loaded .45 automatic pistol the man was carrying. If he had gotten in he almost certainly would have killed people.
Another man, poor fellow, finally had to be committed to involuntary treatment after he was seen running around an apartment complex, stark naked, hiding behind an imaginary pink couch in the middle of the lawn, and shooting with an imaginary pistol at children playing in the pool.
It is tough on landlords, too. One woman kept tearing up the floor of her apartment because she was convinced someone had buried her baby there (she was more than fifty years old). All of her neighbors moved away, leaving their apartments vacant, because of her constant harassment and accusations that they had killed her baby.
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ASAAR - 26 Jan 2007 03:54 GMT > It is tough on landlords, too. One woman kept tearing up the floor of her > apartment because she was convinced someone had buried her baby there (she > was more than fifty years old). All of her neighbors moved away, leaving > their apartments vacant, because of her constant harassment and accusations > that they had killed her baby. Sad. But even when taking her meds she was unable to admit that in fact it was the dingos that took and ate her baby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance
J. Clarke - 26 Jan 2007 05:45 GMT >> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a >> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >it. Many of the homeless people you see living on the street are paranoid >schizophrenics. And this is a point that more people need to understand--they're not homeless because nobody wants to help them, they're homeless because the only way to help them is to force it on them against their will.
>It is also humiliating. You remember the crazy stuff you said and did, and >you know that family members and friends remember it, too. You get to the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >their apartments vacant, because of her constant harassment and accusations >that they had killed her baby. C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 16:45 GMT >>> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a >>> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > homeless because nobody wants to help them, they're homeless because > the only way to help them is to force it on them against their will. The other thing people need to understand is that assuming that these people have a right to refuse treatment (as if they could make an informed decision in their current state) condemns them and everyone who knows them to a living hell for the rest of their lives.
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(PeteCresswell) - 26 Jan 2007 02:11 GMT Per Dave Cohen:
>These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, >does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. Somebody's off there meds.
Just set up a killfile to flag " MIS " or something even closer... or, if the return address is consist ant, the return address. I'm weaseling on the specifics bc I did something along those lines weeks ago and I don't see them anymore.
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Linkd@mindspring.com - 26 Jan 2007 07:34 GMT First do not encourage them by posting anything about them. Now they know they are getting thru. Ignore them or put them into a kill filter.
>These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, >does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. >Dave Cohen Ken Lucke - 26 Jan 2007 07:55 GMT > First do not encourage them by posting anything about them. Now they > know they are getting thru. Ignore them or put them into a kill > filter. Uhm, you mean like you just did? ;^)
He doesn't need encouragement to keep going, and ignoring him doesn't discourage him (or his type) - he's been going strong for years with this same persecution crap. So killfiling IS about the only option if you want to not see his drivel.
> >These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, > >does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. > >Dave Cohen Just killfile him. He almost never changes his "email address" of MI5Victim@MI5.gov.uk (bogus, of course) and his subject lines virtually always include "MI5 Persecution:". With those two filter criteria, you can killfile 99% of his articles AND the replies.
for those with rexepr filter capabilities, use:
^Subject:.*([Rr][Ee]:\ *)*MI5\ Persecution:.*^$
and/or
^From:.*MI5Victim@MI5\.gov\.uk.*$
For those with simpler filters, just use the "MI5Victim@MI5.gov.uk" for a "From: [contains]" filter and the "MI5 Persecution:" portion of the subject line as "Subject: [contains]" filter. Make sure you use the "contains" and not the "is" or "equals" option.
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Fredrik Nilsson - 26 Jan 2007 21:50 GMT > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested, > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop. > Dave Cohen This MI5 guy is saner than one of my Swedish countrymen: http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Eng/MyStory.htm
/Fredrik
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