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What the Hell is MIS Persecution Junk

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Dave Cohen - 25 Jan 2007 21:59 GMT
These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
Dave Cohen
Ed Ruf  (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!) - 25 Jan 2007 22:06 GMT
>These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
>does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
>Dave Cohen

Learn to use a kill filter and ignore/delete them automatically. If you
notice this message is cross posted across many alt. groups besides this
one.
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C J Campbell - 25 Jan 2007 22:16 GMT
> These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
> does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
> Dave Cohen

Just some crazy guy, proving yet again that anyone has access to the
Internet. Either filter him out or learn to ignore them.

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nospam@sbcglobal.net - 25 Jan 2007 22:40 GMT
> > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
> > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
> > Dave Cohen
>
> Just some crazy guy, proving yet again that anyone has access to the
> Internet. Either filter him out or learn to ignore them.

An especially clueless guy, considering 90% of the world's
usenet servers no longer support cancels.
ASAAR - 25 Jan 2007 22:53 GMT
> These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
> does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.

 I haven't seen any of them yet, so it may be that some news
servers are doing something right.  There's almost nothing that you
can do that will make much of a difference other than doing your own
filtering or signing up with a more proactive news server.  Is the
"MIS Persecution" part of the article's Subject, or is it contained
in the article's body?  If the latter, I guess that I've tuned out
those messages that don't appear to be authentic.  I download all
message headers automatically.  Message bodies then follow only if
the headers pass the eyeball test or if they're part of an existing
thread that has been marked for automatic downloading.
Roy G - 26 Jan 2007 00:06 GMT
Hi.

It is not MIS,  it is MI5 one of the British Security Agencies.

The loony needs to be identified and locked up in a nuthouse, rather than be
getting not-treated in the Community.

Roy G
Bill Funk - 26 Jan 2007 17:06 GMT
>Hi.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Roy G

Read a few, and realize that the guy has been identified, he's been in
court several times, and he seems to be harmless, so treatment won't
be forced.

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John Turco - 27 Jan 2007 05:01 GMT
> > These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
> > does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
>
>   I haven't seen any of them yet, so it may be that some news
> servers are doing something right.

<edited, for brevity>

Hello, ASAAR:

Well, those "M15" garbage posts appear on my news server (Concentric)
and on Google Groups <http://groups.google.com>, too.

I've also seen them in the handful of NFL football newsgroups that
I've been perusing, these past few weeks. Furthermore, they've even
penetrated <news:nebr.sports.unl>, which is a moderated NG!

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
ASAAR - 27 Jan 2007 05:27 GMT
> Well, those "M15" garbage posts appear on my news server (Concentric)
> and on Google Groups <http://groups.google.com>, too.
>
> I've also seen them in the handful of NFL football newsgroups that
> I've been perusing, these past few weeks. Furthermore, they've even
> penetrated <news:nebr.sports.unl>, which is a moderated NG!

I saw my first bunch of them earlier today in another newsgroup but
they all were from one nitwit that decided post about a half dozen
replies.  Nothing since then.  Hmm.  You've been pretty inactive in
rpd today.  Where were you and what were you doing between 7:00pm
and 10:00pm GMT and can you back that up with witnesses?

:)
John Turco - 29 Jan 2007 02:23 GMT
> > Well, those "M15" garbage posts appear on my news server (Concentric)
> > and on Google Groups <http://groups.google.com>, too.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>  :)

Hello, ASAAR:

I plead innocent! <g> As I'd mentioned in another public reply, to you:

"I always compose (and proofread) my e-mail and Usenet messages, very
carefuly, offline. Take your time, what's the rush?"

Okay, I'm not >that< slow in writing my posts -- but, just >reading< an
extremely active newsgroup, such as news:rec.photo.digital, is rather
occupying. ;-)

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 02:58 GMT
> > rpd today.  Where were you and what were you doing between 7:00pm
> > and 10:00pm GMT and can you back that up with witnesses?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>  "I always compose (and proofread) my e-mail and Usenet messages, very
>  carefuly, offline. Take your time, what's the rush?"

 While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for
usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for
several hours before posting would be permitted.  It would never
happen, but if it could, we'd probably have Bush the Elder's Kinder
and Gentler Usenet.  Too many would reject any idea like that, and
the NRA would probably lobby against it.   And if this message
wasn't so rushed, it would probably join the digital circular file
before you'd have a chance to see it.  <g>
(PeteCresswell) - 29 Jan 2007 13:57 GMT
Per ASAAR:
>While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for
>usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for
>several hours before posting would be permitted.

A lady I used to work with said that every computer should have an "Oh sh.t!!"
key: a big red key that, when pressed, recalled the last email message sent.
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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 17:25 GMT
>> While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for
>> usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for
>> several hours before posting would be permitted.
>
> A lady I used to work with said that every computer should have an "Oh sh.t!!"
> key: a big red key that, when pressed, recalled the last email message sent.

 <g>  Unfortunately, once the <Send> key is pressed or the <Send>
button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the
operation can't be undone.  Cancelling sent messages was fairly
easy, though with networked BBSes, since messages were posted on a
local BBS computer, and they often allowed users to delete their own
messages.  These BBS messages were typically propagated throughout
the network once or twice daily, so depending on when a message was
posted, one might have a window of a minute or many hours to delete
the message.  Local users of the same BBS could of course read any
messages if they were quick enough.
Ken Lucke - 29 Jan 2007 18:11 GMT
> >> While impractical for email, I wouldn't mind some requirement for
> >> usenet replies that would have them aged in user outboxes for
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the
> operation can't be undone.

Not precisely true in all cases.  I use Eudora for email, and it can be
set to either send mail right away, or put it into a queue to do it in
batches whenever mail is checked for (mine is set to do the latter,
every five minutes).  Many is the time that I have been saved from
seding a message with an error, or lacking additional information I
would have liked to included, by this simple expedient of a[n up to]
five minute delay.

> Cancelling sent messages was fairly
> easy, though with networked BBSes, since messages were posted on a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the message.  Local users of the same BBS could of course read any
> messages if they were quick enough.

You can still cancel your own usenet messages, too - but many news
servers no longer recognize cancel messages, due to the extensive abuse
of cancel messages by some factions a few years ago (done to achieve
that very thing [getting servers to turn off accepting cancels],
because they believed that third party spam cancelers were violating
some sort of peceived "right" by the spammers to post as many messages
as they wanted - that canceling tens of thousands of messages by a
spammer constituted some sort of "censorship").

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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 20:18 GMT
>>   <g>  Unfortunately, once the <Send> key is pressed or the <Send>
>> button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> would have liked to included, by this simple expedient of a[n up to]
> five minute delay.

 True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation.  The relevant
button in my old version of Eudora is labeled Queue, and hovering
the mouse pointer over it pops up a "Send/Queue current messages"
description.  Unless I'm mistaken, the default configuration had the
button configured to Queue rather than Send Messages Immediately.
In that configuration Eudora didn't really have a <Send> button,
since most Eudora users probably didn't know how to use the <Queue>
button to Send without changing its mode in the Options menu. :)
This was in version 5.x, so things may have changed significantly in
the current version.

 Sometime last year I received a message from Qualcomm trying to
induce me into purchasing an upgrade, saying that it would be the
last one before Eudora was changed to a "free" email program.  Do
you know if that has happened by now, and if it has, if the old
"free mode" restrictions remain?
Ken Lucke - 29 Jan 2007 21:36 GMT
> >>   <g>  Unfortunately, once the <Send> key is pressed or the <Send>
> >> button is clicked, those email messages are also flushed, and the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>   True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation.

It's the equivalent button that someone clicks when they want to send
an email.  In effect, it DOES send the email, just not immediately.
Semantics aside, it's the same thing in practice.  Pressing the shutter
button with self-timer mode engaged still activates the shutter, just
not immediately, so is that not "taking a picture" just as using
immediate mode is?

>   The relevant
> button in my old version of Eudora is labeled Queue, and hovering
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> you know if that has happened by now, and if it has, if the old
> "free mode" restrictions remain?

The only "free mode" restrictions that I am aware of are that you get
some advertising while the program is open - oh, and no "spam watch"
Bayesian filtering.  I paid the [one-time, very small] fee long ago and
get no advertising.  Other than that, I don't know of any
"restrictions" - and Eudora's configurability and
filter/mailbox/personality/action capabilities *far* exceed any other
programs that I have ever seen/used (I own 9 domains and administer a
half dozen more and have literally hundreds of functioning email
addresses I get mail to - and even more that I don't want to get mail
to - so filtering and being able to respond from any of dozens of email
addreses is critical) ... I even re-tried Mail (the Apple app that
comes with OS X) a month or so ago, and after three days switched right
back to my verenable Eudora 6.2.

As of April 30th, they will no longer charge at all, the program going
into Open Source.  "The open source version of Eudora® is targeted to
be released during the 2007 calendar year and will be free of charge.
Until April 30, 2007, the current commercial versions are available for
the reduced price of $19.95 with a six-month period of technical
support. After April 30th, QUALCOMM will cease sales of Paid mode
Eudora, while Sponsored mode will continue to be available in version
7.1 for Windows and 6.2.4 for Mac."

http://www.eudora.com/faq/

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ASAAR - 29 Jan 2007 23:04 GMT
>>   True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> not immediately, so is that not "taking a picture" just as using
> immediate mode is?

 Yes, it is also "taking a picture", just substituting a much
longer delay (usually 2 or 10 seconds) for the much shorter normal
delay.  Can you tell that I use a P&S instead of a DSLR?  :)  But
it's not at all the same kind of delay introduced by sending
messages into Eudora's queue, since there's no countdown process
which will eventually send the messages.  Without the user issuing
another command, the messages might sit in the queue for years
before eventually being sent by Rip Van User.

> The only "free mode" restrictions that I am aware of are that you get
> some advertising while the program is open - oh, and no "spam watch"
> Bayesian filtering.  I paid the [one-time, very small] fee long ago and
> get no advertising.  Other than that, I don't know of any
> "restrictions"

 I also paid for Eudora, getting it for a good "sale" price in
Staples many years ago.  The only "restriction" it has isn't really
even mildly annoying.  Every once in a while I get a popup asking me
something.  It has been several years since I used Eudora so I don't
recall the exact wording, but it might have asked me to consider
upgrading or something.  I spoke with Qualcomm about it and they
promised to send me an email containing instructions that would
disable the popups, but it either never arrived or if it did, it was
treated as spam and deleted.

> As of April 30th, they will no longer charge at all, the program going
> into Open Source.  "The open source version of Eudora® is targeted to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Eudora, while Sponsored mode will continue to be available in version
> 7.1 for Windows and 6.2.4 for Mac."

 Thanks.  I may upgrade although my email needs are very slim.
Authors of inexpensive quality software deserve monetary support,
which may explain why instead of upgrading when new versions of
DesqView were released (remember Manifest?), I usually just bought a
new copy.  At one time I had 4 or 5 DV manuals on the shelf.  <g>
Ken Lucke - 30 Jan 2007 02:34 GMT
> >>   True, but then that isn't really a <Send> operation.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> another command, the messages might sit in the queue for years
> before eventually being sent by Rip Van User.

Uhm, wrong.  There moist cedrtainly IS a countdown process.  All you do
is set the interval at which you wannt mail checked, and set the
program to 'send mail on check', and every time your incoming mail is
checked, your outgoing mail (if any) is sent.  Therefore, I HAVE a
countdown timer of 5 minutes (or less) that does so automatically.

> > The only "free mode" restrictions that I am aware of are that you get
> > some advertising while the program is open - oh, and no "spam watch"
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> disable the popups, but it either never arrived or if it did, it was
> treated as spam and deleted.

The popups should have been automatically disengaged when you entered a
valid serial number.

> > As of April 30th, they will no longer charge at all, the program going
> > into Open Source.  "The open source version of Eudora® is targeted to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> DesqView were released (remember Manifest?), I usually just bought a
> new copy.  At one time I had 4 or 5 DV manuals on the shelf.  <g>

Eudora was originally written and designed by Univeristy of Illinois
computer science students, IIRC, so there wasn't really that much need
of monetary support.  Qualcomm took it over a few years back when it
had languished for a while without significant iprovements.  I've had a
few emails back and forth with a couple of the programmers over bug
issues and improvement suggestions, and one of them (Nathan Tenny)
wrote a document for me that is pretty much the standard "go to"
explanation of how email works to which many are referred by many tech
support and internet abuse departments -
<http://www.stopspam.org/email/headers.html> - as for the rest of that
site, after I got out of the spam-canceling business three years ago, I
pretty much have just let it go, so don't expect much :^(  Because
there is already so much other duplicate information out there, about
the only other part of the site that actually has much content on it is
the MMF Myth Pages (<http://www.stopspam.org/usenet/mmf/>, debunking
chain letters), and I never really finished the "complete overhaul"
that I intended to do.  I just don't have the heart to close the whole
thing down, as I get hundreds of hits per day on the headers tutorial.

Now they (Qualcomm) are throwing it into Open Source, as I'm sure it's
not much of an income stream for them, and they probably want to
release it for others to contiue to improve without expending their own
budget to do so.

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ASAAR - 30 Jan 2007 03:18 GMT
> Uhm, wrong.  There moist cedrtainly IS a countdown process.  All you do
> is set the interval at which you wannt mail checked, and set the
> program to 'send mail on check', and every time your incoming mail is
> checked, your outgoing mail (if any) is sent.  Therefore, I HAVE a
> countdown timer of 5 minutes (or less) that does so automatically.

 Not for me it isn't.  I've *never* allowed mail to be sent when
checking for new mail.  That would also eliminate the possibility of
canceling embarrassing emails if you forget and check to see if any
new email is available.  So you can change your mind about sending
queued email, but only give yourself 5 minutes to come to your
senses?  <g>

>   I also paid for Eudora, getting it for a good "sale" price in
> Staples many years ago.  The only "restriction" it has isn't really
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> disable the popups, but it either never arrived or if it did, it was
> treated as spam and deleted.

> The popups should have been automatically disengaged when you
> entered a valid serial number.

 It does have a valid serial number entered.  There's no
advertising, doesn't use sponsored mode, and for many years never
popped anything up.  But then one day it evidently decided that it
was such an old version that I might want to do something about it,
and once every couple of weeks it would remind me.  Checking my
password file just now shows that the version I bought was
designated as a Pre-Registered version, and the registration code
was provided on the CD envelope.  I just started up the archived
copy and think I see the problem.  <Help> <About Eudora> shows this:

> Version 5.1R - Paid Mode
> Not Registered In This Mode

and I now recall that when I last tried to register it using
Qualcomm's website, it wouldn't allow me to do so, since by then it
was an old, unsupported version.  I guess that Qualcomm designed
Eudora so that even though it claimed to be pre-registered, it
wouldn't be truly registered unless Qualcomm managed to get my
serial number, name, phone number and email address on file.  As I
said before, somehow the patching information needed to register the
program or disable the popups either never arrived or I fed it to
the spam harvester.  This was several years ago and since I stopped
using Eudora, never followed up.
Ken Lucke - 30 Jan 2007 03:38 GMT
> > Uhm, wrong.  There moist cedrtainly IS a countdown process.  All you do
> > is set the interval at which you wannt mail checked, and set the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> queued email, but only give yourself 5 minutes to come to your
> senses?  <g>

Personal preference.  Original points (re: "queue" is equivalent to a
send (albeit delayed) still in effect.  :^)

> >   I also paid for Eudora, getting it for a good "sale" price in
> > Staples many years ago.  The only "restriction" it has isn't really
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> the spam harvester.  This was several years ago and since I stopped
> using Eudora, never followed up.

Ah.  Perhaps in a couple of months when it's free, yo might try it
again - it really does beat the pants off of any other email program
I've used - and I've used a lot of them, Mac, Win, & Unix.

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John Turco - 31 Jan 2007 04:02 GMT
> > > rpd today.  Where were you and what were you doing between 7:00pm
> > > and 10:00pm GMT and can you back that up with witnesses?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> wasn't so rushed, it would probably join the digital circular file
> before you'd have a chance to see it.  <g>

Hello, ASAAR:

Truthfully, I sometimes do allow my posts to "stew" in Netscape
Communicator 4.8's "Unsent Messages" box, for several days, before
dispatching them.

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
ASAAR - 31 Jan 2007 05:20 GMT
> Truthfully, I sometimes do allow my posts to "stew" in Netscape
> Communicator 4.8's "Unsent Messages" box, for several days, before
> dispatching them.

 I've noticed.  And despite the frantic pace that's the internet's
way, they've arrived none the worse for their brief stay locked up
in solitary.  Some of the ones that I store in the holding tank
never again see the light of day.  Not because I had a change of
heart, but because . . .  just because.   :)
Dave - 26 Jan 2007 00:17 GMT
In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a
chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of the
population, but most are secretive enough to keep their thought disorder to
themselves. It must be a hard life.

Dave
Roy G - 26 Jan 2007 00:28 GMT
> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a
> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of
> the population, but most are secretive enough to keep their thought
> disorder to themselves. It must be a hard life.
>
> Dave

Dave,

I have a young relative who is schizophrenick.  It has ruined his life, but
his medication allows him to lead an almost normal independant life.

When he stops taking the meds, as all of his co-sufferers do from time to
time, he gets taken in and treated until he is back on the level again.

This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs
locking up and treatment.

Roy G
Ockham's Razor - 26 Jan 2007 01:03 GMT
> This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs
> locking up and treatment.

And, that is not what is allowed, legally.  These people must be "main
streamed" so they can live among the normal and the normal must find
ways to live with them.

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C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 02:56 GMT
>> This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs
>> locking up and treatment.
>
> And, that is not what is allowed, legally.  These people must be "main
> streamed" so they can live among the normal and the normal must find
> ways to live with them.

Easy to say, unless he is trying to break into your house with a loaded gun
because he believes he has orders to kill you. Or he is in your yard, hiding
behind an imaginary couch, stark naked, and scaring your children by
pretending to shoot at them.

Paranoid schizophrenics may be "locked up" (only we say "committed to
involuntary treatment"), legally, if they pose a danger to themselves or
others. Judges have to make this determination based on the testimony of
psychiatrists, family members, law enforcement officers, and others. This is
a mental illness, not an alternate lifestyle or alternate point of view. It
can be very dangerous, often ending in death for the sufferer or others. It
is extremely painful and embarrassing, and it interferes with your ability to
hold a job, keep a place to live, or even feed and dress yourself. Even
medical treatment for other diseases can be difficult. No one has a "right"
to be mentally ill, since you cannot choose to be mentally ill. They do have
a "right" to treatment, love, and respect as human beings.

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C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 16:46 GMT
>> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a
>> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of
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> This nutter is obviously escaping the attentions of the medics, but needs
> locking up and treatment.

This is Usenet. For all you know, he is locked up already.

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C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 02:47 GMT
> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a
> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of the
> population, but most are secretive enough to keep their thought disorder to
> themselves. It must be a hard life.

I have known several people with paranoid schizophrenia. Most of them have
difficulty keeping employment or even a place to live. At worst, they think
that their medication is part of a plot to poison them, so they won't take
it. Many of the homeless people you see living on the street are paranoid
schizophrenics.

It is also humiliating. You remember the crazy stuff you said and did, and
you know that family members and friends remember it, too. You get to the
point where you can't even look people in the eye any more. Some sufferers
are so embarrassed they cut off all ties with people they know -- leaving
themselves completely without a support group.

And it can be very dangerous. Violent behavior is not uncommon -- and that is
when they have to be locked up. One man I knew escaped from a mental hospital
in Utah, stole a car in Salt Lake City, a gun in Idaho, then drove to the
Seattle area where he tried to break into an apartment complex in order to
kill all the Russians living there (there were, in fact, several Russian
families living there, but they were not spies). Fortunately an alert police
officer saw him breaking in and was able to convince the man that his mission
had been changed and he needed to return to "headquarters" (the police
station) for new orders. It would have been a little bit funny except for the
loaded .45 automatic pistol the man was carrying. If he had gotten in he
almost certainly would have killed people.

Another man, poor fellow, finally had to be committed to involuntary
treatment after he was seen running around an apartment complex, stark naked,
hiding behind an imaginary pink couch in the middle of the lawn, and shooting
with an imaginary pistol at children playing in the pool.

It is tough on landlords, too. One woman kept tearing up the floor of her
apartment because she was convinced someone had buried her baby there (she
was more than fifty years old). All of her neighbors moved away, leaving
their apartments vacant, because of her constant harassment and accusations
that they had killed her baby.

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ASAAR - 26 Jan 2007 03:54 GMT
> It is tough on landlords, too. One woman kept tearing up the floor of her
> apartment because she was convinced someone had buried her baby there (she
> was more than fifty years old). All of her neighbors moved away, leaving
> their apartments vacant, because of her constant harassment and accusations
> that they had killed her baby.

 Sad.  But even when taking her meds she was unable to admit that
in fact it was the dingos that took and ate her baby.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance
J. Clarke - 26 Jan 2007 05:45 GMT
>> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a
>> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of the
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>it. Many of the homeless people you see living on the street are paranoid
>schizophrenics.

And this is a point that more people need to understand--they're not
homeless because nobody wants to help them, they're homeless because
the only way to help them is to force it on them against their will.

>It is also humiliating. You remember the crazy stuff you said and did, and
>you know that family members and friends remember it, too. You get to the
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>their apartments vacant, because of her constant harassment and accusations
>that they had killed her baby.
C J Campbell - 26 Jan 2007 16:45 GMT
>>> In case you've never known anyone with paranoid schizophrenia, this is a
>>> chance to see how those people think. Statistically this affects 1-2% of
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> homeless because nobody wants to help them, they're homeless because
> the only way to help them is to force it on them against their will.

The other thing people need to understand is that assuming that these people
have a right to refuse treatment (as if they could make an informed decision
in their current state) condemns them and everyone who knows them to a living
hell for the rest of their lives.

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(PeteCresswell) - 26 Jan 2007 02:11 GMT
Per Dave Cohen:
>These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
>does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.

Somebody's off there meds.

Just set  up a killfile to flag " MIS " or something even closer... or, if the
return address is consist ant, the return address.   I'm weaseling on the
specifics bc I did something along those lines weeks ago and I don't see them
anymore.
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Linkd@mindspring.com - 26 Jan 2007 07:34 GMT
First do not encourage them by posting anything about them.  Now they
know they are getting thru.  Ignore them or put them into a kill
filter.

>These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
>does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
>Dave Cohen
Ken Lucke - 26 Jan 2007 07:55 GMT
> First do not encourage them by posting anything about them.  Now they
> know they are getting thru.  Ignore them or put them into a kill
> filter.

Uhm, you mean like you just did?  ;^)

He doesn't need encouragement to keep going, and ignoring him doesn't
discourage him (or his type) - he's been going strong for years with
this same persecution crap.  So killfiling IS about the only option if
you want to not see his drivel.

> >These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
> >does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
> >Dave Cohen

Just killfile him.  He almost never changes his "email address" of
MI5Victim@MI5.gov.uk (bogus, of course) and his subject lines virtually
always include "MI5 Persecution:".  With those two filter criteria, you
can killfile 99% of his articles AND the replies.

for those with rexepr filter capabilities, use:

^Subject:.*([Rr][Ee]:\ *)*MI5\ Persecution:.*^$

and/or

^From:.*MI5Victim@MI5\.gov\.uk.*$

For those with simpler filters, just use the "MI5Victim@MI5.gov.uk" for
a "From: [contains]" filter and the "MI5 Persecution:" portion of the
subject line as "Subject: [contains]" filter.  Make sure you use the
"contains" and not the "is" or "equals" option.

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the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
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Fredrik Nilsson - 26 Jan 2007 21:50 GMT
> These messages are appearing all over the place. Is anyone interested,
> does anyone care and how and when can we get them to stop.
> Dave Cohen

This MI5 guy is saner than one of my Swedish countrymen:
http://home.swipnet.se/allez/Eng/MyStory.htm

/Fredrik

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