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Why Did This Happen (After the Roof Fell In)?
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digitalrube@yahoo.com - 17 Nov 2006 10:51 GMT There was a tempest on the East Coast last night. I got in after taking whatever pictures I could with m new Digital Rebel 400D to find an upper story linen closet with its own new ceiling-level faucet.
After ripping everything apart to locate the drip in the roof, I tried vainly to take pictures of the leaking plywood for the roofer. I must have tried at least a hundred times, in AutoFocus, and kept getting "Busy." The shutter speed "light" in the viewfinder kept "beeping," the aperture number kept going up and down, the exposure compensation number kept flashing...
I was in a state of panic of course, and tried to take photos in Manual as well (so I can't say for sure what beeping/flashing/going up and down occurred during which Shooting Mode), but I *do* know for sure that even though the Flash tried to engage in AutoFocus, the camera simply would not take more than three photographs and kept saying Busy.
The only elements of the "composition" (ha!) I can think of that would be pertinent--if indeed any are--are: 1) I was standing in a dark closet (totally dark), standing on a ladder pointing the camera up at 2) a point where a bare light bulb illuminating the crawl space attic was adjacent to 3) the prodigious leak.
I thought that if I kept the camera *out* of range of the glare of the bare bulb, the flash might engage. It didn't. Then I thought that if I kept the camera *in* the glare, the flash would engage. It didn't.
So-- In Caps-- WHAT IN GOD'S NAME DID I DO TO KEEP THIS CAMERA SO "BUSY?"
Mike Russell - 17 Nov 2006 11:53 GMT > There was a tempest on the East Coast last night. I got in after > taking whatever pictures I could with m new Digital Rebel 400D to find [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > So-- In Caps-- WHAT IN GOD'S NAME DID I DO TO KEEP THIS CAMERA SO > "BUSY?" One guess is that you were taking raw or tiff images, your flash card was slow, and it was taking a long time to transfer the images from the camera to the flash card.
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digitalrube@yahoo.com - 17 Nov 2006 14:43 GMT On Nov 17, 6:53 am, "Mike Russell"
> One guess is that you were taking raw or tiff images, your flash card was > slow, and it was taking a long time to transfer the images from the camera > to the flash card. No, I was taking jpeg photos.
Tom Ross - 17 Nov 2006 19:00 GMT >On Nov 17, 6:53 am, "Mike Russell" > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >No, I was taking jpeg photos. I've had similar problems taking low-light flash photos of a flat, blank surface. The pre-flash will fire and the lens will try to focus, but the shutter will not trip. Sometimes it would show BUSY, other times it wouldn't.
I assume it has something to do with the Auto-Focus not being able to focus. Something similar occurs when the subject is closer than the minimum focusing distance. The "problem' goes away when I switched to manual focus.
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chrisu - 17 Nov 2006 15:25 GMT > There was a tempest on the East Coast last night. I got in after > taking whatever pictures I could with m new Digital Rebel 400D to find [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > So-- In Caps-- WHAT IN GOD'S NAME DID I DO TO KEEP THIS CAMERA SO > "BUSY?" plonk
digitalrube@yahoo.com - 17 Nov 2006 16:24 GMT Hey ChrisU FANBOY-- Go w.nk off with your lens cap.
Bill Funk - 17 Nov 2006 20:25 GMT >There was a tempest on the East Coast last night. I got in after >taking whatever pictures I could with m new Digital Rebel 400D to find [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >So-- In Caps-- WHAT IN GOD'S NAME DID I DO TO KEEP THIS CAMERA SO >"BUSY?" I will hazzard a guess that, assuming the roof wasn't too close to focus on, there wasn't enough contrast in the image to focus properly on.
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digitalrube@yahoo.com - 17 Nov 2006 22:14 GMT > I will hazzard a guess that, assuming the roof wasn't too close to > focus on, there wasn't enough contrast in the image to focus properly > on. I'm concerned I somehow harmed the camera...
Joan - 18 Nov 2006 02:17 GMT Has it worked since?
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: > I will hazzard a guess that, assuming the roof wasn't too close to : > focus on, there wasn't enough contrast in the image to focus properly : > on. : : I'm concerned I somehow harmed the camera... digitalrube@yahoo.com - 18 Nov 2006 11:01 GMT > Has it worked since? Ha! I deserved that one. I haven't tried it. I'm busy repairing storm damage. Another poster suggested what the problem *might* be, but because this camera is so new, I'm calling Canon today to find out why this ever should have been an issue with an instrument supposedly so sensitive.
Bill Funk - 18 Nov 2006 14:31 GMT >> Has it worked since? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >why this ever should have been an issue with an instrument supposedly >so sensitive. If I were you, before I called Canon, I'd check to see if something is actually wrong with the camera. You don't seem to be interested in knowing this; why not?
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Mike Fields - 18 Nov 2006 20:15 GMT >> Has it worked since? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > why this ever should have been an issue with an instrument supposedly > so sensitive. While waiting for a reply, you might try the camera under more normal conditions. You are far more likely to get help (either here or from Canon) if you can define the conditions where it works and where it doesn't work. I would agree with the others about trying to focus on low contrast - drives autofocus nuts in many cameras, but as others have pointed out, "does it work under normal conditions" is a critical piece of the puzzle.
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digitalrube@yahoo.com - 18 Nov 2006 21:53 GMT On Nov 18, 3:15 pm, "Mike Fields"
> low contrast - drives autofocus nuts in many cameras, > but as others have pointed out, "does it work under > normal conditions" is a critical piece of the puzzle. Yes, that is the question. I'm just recovering from a phenomenally destructive storm and going to call Canon right now and see what they say. Low contrast is one thing (if one is shooting in Manual). The inability to have the camera fire when you've done everything you can is another. Thanks again for articulating what I might say to the Canon tech folk.
Bill Funk - 19 Nov 2006 14:59 GMT >On Nov 18, 3:15 pm, "Mike Fields" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >is another. Thanks again for articulating what I might say to the >Canon tech folk. Are you saying that the camera won't fire at all? If you can't articulate it here...
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digitalrube@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2006 11:28 GMT I thought I'd post a follow-up for those who responded in a helpful way about my new Digital Rebel's questionable behavior.
I spoke to one great tech support guy, very young, who suggested the wildly fluctuating exposure settings in the digitalized portion of the viewfinder were completely normal. He pointed me to a really excellent site, apparently maintained by the Japanese arm of Canon (www.enjoydslr.com). I was satisfied that the misfiring camera was my fault.
However, the next morning, Canon was thoughtful enough to send me a comprehensive customer service survey--and to ask, at the end, if my problem had been resolved. When I noted the techie's professionalism and courtesy, but stressed that the problem really wasn't resolved, they gave me a "special" 800 number. The much older tech support man at this number put me through a series of tests and concluded the camera was faulty, and that I should send it back.
His primary test was to put the camera in Program Mode, half click the shutter, and then see if any of the settings *still* fluctuated. Did they ever! (Hope it goes without saying that I was holding the camera still and pointing it in the same direction, with no change in ambient, indoor light.)
Anyway, he was very confident that wildly fluctuating exposure readings meant something inauspicious. I sent the camera back to Amazon, just got my new one, and the fluctuations have not reappeared in this unit.
Just wanted to follow-up with you guys. Everyone who gave passive-aggression-free help, wish I could buy you a round.
Joan - 28 Nov 2006 12:26 GMT This is good news and shows that perseverance pays off.
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:I thought I'd post a follow-up for those who responded in a helpful way : about my new Digital Rebel's questionable behavior. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] : Just wanted to follow-up with you guys. Everyone who gave : passive-aggression-free help, wish I could buy you a round. John McWilliams - 28 Nov 2006 22:03 GMT > This is good news and shows that perseverance pays off. Could you please trim your replies??
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Joan - 29 Nov 2006 10:21 GMT If that's all you have to say, why bother? You're a complete twat.
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: > This is good news and shows that perseverance pays off. : > : Could you please trim your replies?? digitalrube@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2006 23:33 GMT > This is good news and shows that perseverance pays off. > > -- > Joanhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/joan-in-manly Thanks, Joan. (BTW, I looked up your link during the maelstrom of the past two weeks. Didn't have time for precise comments, but your photos are sensitive and attentive. Does Flickr allow you to make money on your work?)
Well, everybody, in the spirit of the (travel industry) season, Happy Dead Week!
Joan - 29 Nov 2006 10:20 GMT Thanks for the compliments.
No, I haven't seen anything in Flickr about making money. I've never had any plans to make money from photography. As they say in the classics "Many are called but few are chosen".
I really enjoy Flickr with the groups and community spirit and friendship of others.
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: Thanks, Joan. (BTW, I looked up your link during the maelstrom of the : past two weeks. Didn't have time for precise comments, but your photos [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Well, everybody, in the spirit of the (travel industry) season, Happy : Dead Week!
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