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Daniel Silevitch - 26 Oct 2006 02:45 GMT
and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
camera:

Story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6083468.stm
Larger photo:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/uk_enl_1161769756/html/1.stm

-dms
snapper@mailinator.com - 26 Oct 2006 10:05 GMT

> and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> camera:

Better than eating small dogs.
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 10:16 GMT
> > and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> > camera:
>
> Better than eating small dogs.

There are doubters on this one, so far the only person to have spoken
about the incident is the photographer. No interviews with little
Johnny or his Nanny.

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Cynicor - 26 Oct 2006 11:18 GMT
>>> and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
>>> camera:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> about the incident is the photographer. No interviews with little
> Johnny or his Nanny.

The pelican spent the afternoon swallowing witnesses.
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 12:01 GMT
> >>> and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> >>> camera:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> The pelican spent the afternoon swallowing witnesses.

heh heh... he'll be up before the beak if he doesn't pay his bill.

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Daniel Silevitch - 26 Oct 2006 12:31 GMT
>> > and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
>> > camera:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> about the incident is the photographer. No interviews with little
> Johnny or his Nanny.

If it's a fake photo, it's a pretty decent Photoshop job. But now that
you mention it, yes it is a bit odd that no other witnesses were quoted
in the story. Just the photographer and various consulted experts.

-dms
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 12:56 GMT
> >> > and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> >> > camera:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -dms

Well, it's just newsgroup mumbles really but nowadays it seems there's
always someone with a camera phone handy and for once there seems to
be nobody with a moving image, so the only word we have for the
incident appears to be him, and it was quickly pointed out he's got
himself a lot of free publicity....

oops, I may have jumped the gun a bit quickly there - moving footage!
(actually dated earlier this month)

http://www.uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7890/

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Daniel Silevitch - 26 Oct 2006 14:28 GMT
>> >> > and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
>> >> > camera:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> http://www.uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7890/

That's quite a video clip. Thanks. I suppose I should have felt sorry
for the pigeon, but I just had to laugh while watching it.

My co-worker raised the question of whether this will become a habit for
that particular pelican; pigeon-hunting has got to be easier than
chasing fish.

-dms
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 15:45 GMT
> >> >> > and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> >> >> > camera:
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> -dms

It's a weird one. Maybe it was just too hungry to pass up the chance
of an easy meal, or at least it thought so until the meal tried to get
away.
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John Turco - 31 Oct 2006 06:01 GMT

<edited, for brevity>

> That's quite a video clip. Thanks. I suppose I should have felt sorry
> for the pigeon, but I just had to laugh while watching it.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> -dms

Hello, Daniel:

Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?

Cordially,
          John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>
Paul Heslop - 31 Oct 2006 07:21 GMT
> <edited, for brevity>
>
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> Cordially,
>            John Turco <jtur@concentric.net>

well, even garden birds will eat meat, including chicken, and gulls
will eat penguin babies etc (alive!) Hawks of course will eat other
birds.
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Neil Ellwood - 31 Oct 2006 07:33 GMT
>> Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?
>>
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> will eat penguin babies etc (alive!) Hawks of course will eat other
> birds.
But this behavior is still not cannibalistic.
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Paul Heslop - 31 Oct 2006 07:47 GMT
> >> Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Neil
> swap 'ra' and delete 'l' for email

which one, the pelican or the other birds? anything that eats its own
breed is a cannibal, I guess. I suspect though that we had a bird
which was just very hungry and took a one off shot at something
nearby.... I'm going to be pedantic now :O)

cannibal

–noun 1. a person who eats human flesh, esp. for magical or religious
purposes, as among certain tribal peoples.  
2. any animal that eats its own kind.  
–adjective 3. pertaining to or characteristic of a cannibal.  
4. given to cannibalism.  

This is what bugged me with the mad cow thing. They deliberately fed
cows with other animals, including other cows if I remember right. A
bit like mincing up dead people, shoving them in with beef in a pie
then wondering what the fuss is about when you're found out.

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Måns Rullgård - 31 Oct 2006 09:58 GMT
>> >> Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?
>> >>
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>
> which one, the pelican or the other birds?

Neither are cannibalistic.

> anything that eats its own breed is a cannibal, I guess.

Correct.  The pelican would be a cannibal if it ate another pelican.
Are you a cannibal if you eat meat from a cow?

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Paul Heslop - 31 Oct 2006 14:12 GMT
> >> >> Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?
> >> >>
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> Correct.  The pelican would be a cannibal if it ate another pelican.
> Are you a cannibal if you eat meat from a cow?

Ah, but according to QI, if I remember rightly, only dogs are actually
different species to each other, all the rest are just variation on a
theme... or something :O)

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Bill - 31 Oct 2006 14:31 GMT
>This is what bugged me with the mad cow thing. They deliberately fed
>cows with other animals, including other cows if I remember right. A
>bit like mincing up dead people, shoving them in with beef in a pie
>then wondering what the fuss is about when you're found out.

Soylent Green is people!
Paul Heslop - 31 Oct 2006 17:59 GMT
> >This is what bugged me with the mad cow thing. They deliberately fed
> >cows with other animals, including other cows if I remember right. A
> >bit like mincing up dead people, shoving them in with beef in a pie
> >then wondering what the fuss is about when you're found out.
>
> Soylent Green is people!

Heh, used to be one of my favourite movies before the star turned into
a creature from a bad fifties movie :O)

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Neil Ellwood - 31 Oct 2006 15:53 GMT
>> >> Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?
>> >>
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> which was just very hungry and took a one off shot at something
> nearby.... I'm going to be pedantic now :O)
The pelican ate a pigeon which is a different species.

> This is what bugged me with the mad cow thing. They deliberately fed
> cows with other animals, including other cows if I remember right. A
> bit like mincing up dead people, shoving them in with beef in a pie
> then wondering what the fuss is about when you're found out.
The culprit in the feed  was sheep remains, some of which was infected
with scrapie.

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Paul Heslop - 31 Oct 2006 18:04 GMT
> >> >> Are birds known to be cannibalistic, very often?
> >> >>
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> > nearby.... I'm going to be pedantic now :O)
> The pelican ate a pigeon which is a different species.

Aye, I know what you mean, not that my brain would accept anything new
lately, and that is exactly how I have always thought about it until
Fry and co gave the suggestion that only dogs have different species.
Real problem is I can't recall if they included birds, but I think
they did.

> > This is what bugged me with the mad cow thing. They deliberately fed
> > cows with other animals, including other cows if I remember right. A
> > bit like mincing up dead people, shoving them in with beef in a pie
> > then wondering what the fuss is about when you're found out.
> The culprit in the feed  was sheep remains, some of which was infected
> with scrapie.

I was trying to recall the name of the disease. Excuse for the feeding
was something like animals nibble on bones if they find them in the
wild, or some such crap.

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Cynicor - 26 Oct 2006 15:11 GMT
> oops, I may have jumped the gun a bit quickly there - moving footage!
> (actually dated earlier this month)
>
> http://www.uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7890/

That is SO COOL! God I love death!

Errr...I mean, uh, quite an interesting scientific record of a natural
predator-pray struggle that deserves further study.
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 15:45 GMT
> > oops, I may have jumped the gun a bit quickly there - moving footage!
> > (actually dated earlier this month)
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> Errr...I mean, uh, quite an interesting scientific record of a natural
> predator-pray struggle that deserves further study.

heh heh, that's your card marked :O)

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lubecki@hotmail.com - 26 Oct 2006 16:39 GMT
> > If it's a fake photo, it's a pretty decent Photoshop job. But now that
> > you mention it, yes it is a bit odd that no other witnesses were quoted
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> http://www.uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7890/

Well, just because there is a video, and the pelican actually DID
swallow the pigeon, that doesn't mean that the photo is real. Most
likely a photographer saw it happen but didn't get a photo, so he
created one later. Notice that the pigeon is strangely calm in the
picture, just sitting there quietly in the pelican's bill. Also, there
are pretty sharp boundaries between the pigeon and the pelican -
perfect for a Photoshop job, which is most likely what this is.

-Gniewko
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 21:55 GMT
> > > If it's a fake photo, it's a pretty decent Photoshop job. But now that
> > > you mention it, yes it is a bit odd that no other witnesses were quoted
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> -Gniewko

Yes, I am sure the vid is dated earlier than the photograph, which I
have still not heard of any other witness. I think what we may have is
an opportunist photographer. I have done a bit of hunting and every
mention of the recent one that I can find mentions Cathal McNaughton
by name and he is a press photographer

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jack - 26 Oct 2006 14:34 GMT
:: and someone happened to be in the right place at the right
:: time with a camera:
:
: Better than eating small dogs.

Personally, I hate dogs (and all the crap they leave behind for me and my
children to step in).  Anyway, what's wrong with you people?  Can't you all
see that the photo is a fake?  Look at the obvious 'cut-n-paste' line
between the pigeon and the pelican.  Don't you all see it?  Geez, it's as
clear as a god-damned Muslim in Salt Lake City (Utah).  Later....

j.
Paul Heslop - 26 Oct 2006 15:50 GMT
> :: and someone happened to be in the right place at the right
> :: time with a camera:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> j.

Jack, as we have been mentioning the story itself is a little fishy
(bad pun) and many people think it's a con (myself included) but take
a look at the short video also doing the rounds
http://www.uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/10/7890/

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Sheldon - 26 Oct 2006 22:38 GMT
> and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> camera:
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>
> -dms

Wish I coulda got my ex to swallow like that.

Sheldon
Paul Heslop - 27 Oct 2006 00:50 GMT
> > and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> > camera:
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>
> Sheldon

wot... pigeons?

:O)

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Philippe - 27 Oct 2006 14:58 GMT
>>>and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
>>>camera:
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>
>  :O)

Or do you mean slamming teeth down and shaking vigorously side to side?

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jeremy - 27 Oct 2006 16:40 GMT
>>>Wish I coulda got my ex to swallow like that.

She probably IS--but for somebody else!
Paul Heslop - 27 Oct 2006 22:05 GMT
> >>>Wish I coulda got my ex to swallow like that.
>
> She probably IS--but for somebody else!

heh, that's why he is so bitter and twisted

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Paul Heslop - 27 Oct 2006 22:04 GMT
> >>>and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> >>>camera:
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> >
> Or do you mean slamming teeth down and shaking vigorously side to side?

:O)

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name - 27 Oct 2006 02:47 GMT
> and someone happened to be in the right place at the right time with a
> camera:
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>
> -dms

Reminded me of this one:

<http://www.birdpix.nl/album_page.php?pic_id=62945>
 
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